Person accidentally shoots himself with Uzi

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Or if you knowingly lend your car to an unlicensed person, who then gets hurt or hurts someone else . . .

But you don't have to have a license to shoot a gun.

That was not the parallel I was attempting. (That's the problem with trying to prove a point using examples!)

 

[SphinxnihpS]

A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
Or if you knowingly lend your car to an unlicensed person, who then gets hurt or hurts someone else . . .

But you don't have to have a license to shoot a gun.

That was not the parallel I was attempting. (That's the problem with trying to prove a point using examples!)

Lol. I guess we're both riding the short bus today.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
this thread is such a good troll opportunity that i'm licking my chops

fixed

 

[skace]

You're gonna shoot yooouuur eyyyyye out.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irrisponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irrisponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

You don't think there is an arguement for gun control here? You think the boy (8 years old) should have been allowed to fire the weapon?

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Who gets the Darwin award? Father or son?

the USA.

Indeed, I can't imagine this happening anywhere but Russia, the more lawless parts of Africa, or the good old US of A...

Originally posted by: nkgreen
But you don't have to have a license to shoot a gun.

Well fsking exactly...

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: sdifox
wait, the uzi was on rock and roll??? thought that was outlawed sometime ago?

Class 3 firearms (full automatic and silenced) are perfectly legal in the USA if you meet the ownership requirements and have the correct tax stamps.

Ownership is one thing, allowing someone who doesn't have those papers fire it is another no?

I'm pretty sure as long as you have permission from the owner (and not a felon I assume), you can fire one.

Does that make the gun owner liable? I would think that is the case.

I wouldn't think so. If someone borrows your bicycle and gets killed, are you liable?

You don't think this is a bit different?

Not really. Property is property.

NEVER, EVER hire an ATOTer for legal advice!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sdifox
wait, the uzi was on rock and roll??? thought that was outlawed sometime ago?

Fully-automatic firearms were never outlawed at a federal level. Production of new select-fire firearms was prohibited in 1986, but all previously-existing select-fire remained federally legal to transfer among owners provided that proper registration procedure is followed, though some individual states prohibit them.

As for this specific case, whoever let an 8-year-old handle a select-fire weapon was an idiot. An 8-year-old does not have the necessary muscular control to handle the recoil of a weapon in full-auto mode.

ZV

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: swbsam

NEVER, EVER hire an ATOTer for legal advice!

I never claimed to be a lawyer.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irrisponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irrisponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

The article specifically mentions that children are allowed to fire firearms if two conditions are met; they have parental consent, and the supervision of a licensed professional. Both conditions were met. I don't think the boy should have been allowed to fire an automatic weapon in full-auto mode, and I think it shows great irresponsibility on part of the instructor that a child was given a fully automatic weapon, but legally, it does not seem as though any statutes were broken. Obviously a civil suit is a different matter, but with no illegal activity taking place, that's going to be an uphill battle to show any wrongdoing. And who would bring the civil suit, the state?

This was a horrible tragedy, but honestly, the father is going to be tortured by this for the rest of his life. There is nothing that anyone can do that is going to make him feel any worse; lock him up, take his money, it won't mean jack shit compared to the culpability he presumably feels in his son's death.

 

[hiromizu]

Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

There is a difference between antigun and antidumbass.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

That means they're not preventable does it?

And isn't it strange that so many of these accidents happen in the USA... hmmmm... can't think why that might be...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: sdifox
wait, the uzi was on rock and roll??? thought that was outlawed sometime ago?

Fully automatic weapons have not been outlawed, just restricted.

I don't agree that this was child abuse, etc...even an adult firing a weapon risks death due to improper discharge and accidents.

The biggest blunder I have seen at a range was some idiot firing off a bunch of rounds with a long barreled revolver than using it to scratch his head.

But 8 year olds have died while being shown how to do many things as simple as riding a bike.

 

[mugs]

People make fun of rednecks, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone that young firing an automatic weapon at the Knob Creek machine gun shoot in Kentucky. Dumb guy was trying to be a "cool dad," and now his wife is going to cut his balls off.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sdifox
wait, the uzi was on rock and roll??? thought that was outlawed sometime ago?

Fully-automatic firearms were never outlawed at a federal level. Production of new select-fire firearms was prohibited in 1986, but all previously-existing select-fire remained federally legal to transfer among owners provided that proper registration procedure is followed, though some individual states prohibit them.

As for this specific case, whoever let an 8-year-old handle a select-fire weapon was an idiot. An 8-year-old does not have the necessary muscular control to handle the recoil of a weapon in full-auto mode.

ZV

yeah, don't know what the hell they were thinking. Kid probably played lots of fps and thought "hey, a real Uzi, I know how to handle that, it was easy in ____ (insert favourite fps)"

I don't think I trust myself with a uzi on full auto. Besides, full auto is just a waste of ammo, best you can do is 3 shot burst if you want to even try to hit anything.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

That means they're not preventable does it?

And isn't it strange that so many of these accidents happen in the USA... hmmmm... can't think why that might be...

Outside of guns, they same types of accidents happen all over the world...usually with more fatal results due to the rest of the world not trying to stupid proof everything.

Gun deaths are very minor, but like DUI crap; very sensational.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irrisponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irrisponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

The article specifically mentions that children are allowed to fire firearms if two conditions are met; they have parental consent, and the supervision of a licensed professional. Both conditions were met. I don't think the boy should have been allowed to fire an automatic weapon in full-auto mode, and I think it shows great irresponsibility on part of the instructor that a child was given a fully automatic weapon, but legally, it does not seem as though any statutes were broken. Obviously a civil suit is a different matter, but with no illegal activity taking place, that's going to be an uphill battle to show any wrongdoing. And who would bring the civil suit, the state?

This was a horrible tragedy, but honestly, the father is going to be tortured by this for the rest of his life. There is nothing that anyone can do that is going to make him feel any worse; lock him up, take his money, it won't mean jack shit compared to the culpability he presumably feels in his son's death.

Unfortunately, legal and responsible are two different things. Fact of the matter is the so called instructor could not figure out that an 8 year old could not handle an Uzi. At the very least he should have his license revoked.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mugs
... but I don't think I've ever seen anyone that young firing an automatic weapon at the Knob Creek machine gun shoot in Kentucky.

so what makes you are an authority on it that can absolutely state there has never been one?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Like what kind of laws are you talking about. Like provide an example of a law that like prevents someone from handing a gun over to his son. Like explain how it would work and stuff, you know like how would you like enforce it and stuff. Like yeah, I mean like totally, how would it work like you know and stuff, yeah...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: mugs
... but I don't think I've ever seen anyone that young firing an automatic weapon at the Knob Creek machine gun shoot in Kentucky.

so what makes you are an authority on it that can absolutely state there has never been one?

Alkemyst, there is something wrong with you. It's not normal to try to start arguments over insignificant little things.

 

[Baked]

What a noob. That kid needs more training.