Permanent germ killer unveiled

[bonkers325]

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A new germ-killing polymer can permanently sterilize countertops, doorknobs and even surgical equipment and could guard against bacteria spread from sneezes and dirty hands, the most common sources of infection, a researcher says.

 

[divinemartyr]

Wow that's some phenomenal news. That story is very interesting, and I almost found it hard to believe, but coming from MSNBC I guess it is true. I can't wait for this to hit the market, this is going to sell very well.

dm

 

[Mday]

it's going to help some, but it can also lead to super germs as well.

 

[bonkers325]

<< it's going to help some, but it can also lead to super germs as well. >>



super germs

 

[LordMaul]

<< Tiller and his co-authors hold a patent on the chemical coating, but are not involved in any effort to bring the germ-killing technology to the market, he said. >>



Bastaches...

 

[happykitten]

Very disturbing. Someone already mentioned &quot;super germs,&quot; and there's also the fact our immune systems will weaken significantly - we need a certain amount of expose to bacteria/germs in order to keep our immune systems strong, and if everything is completely sterile, it'll be harder for us to fight off germs when we *are* exposed to them. Same logic applies to those who don't get sick very often. Someone who only gets sick one or twice a year tend to be much, much sicker than someone who comes down with a little cold every other month or so.

I think the use of this new germ-killing polymer will be very benefitial in place like hospitals and meat-packing plants and such, but I don't think it has a place in the regular household.

Sticking to my normal non-super soap,
~kitten >^.^<

 

[Cooltech2k]

That Could Have its uses.... Like Mabye in hospitals... But to bring that into everyones everyday life it would be a mistake. It Would weaken are immune systems to where a string of the common cold could adapt to be immune to that crap &amp; than spread throughout the world since nobody's immune system would be strong enough to stop a common cold.

Bottom Line is I think that would be a bad ideal to bring into our homes &amp; work places (unless you work at a hospital)

 

[skywhr]

Heard about it on the radio today...good idea in certain applications.

Its for lazy disgusting pigs who are to stupid to wash their hands after handling their business in the bathroom!

 

[happykitten]

<< Its for lazy disgusting pigs who are to stupid to wash their hands after handling their business in the bathroom! >>



Suuuuuuuuuuuure it is... :disgust:

Ugh,
~kitten ><

 

[Fermilevel]

It's not an antibiotic, so having bacteria evolving to adapt is not likely. This polymer simply destroys the outer shell of bacteria making it so it can't live. Antibiotics (and thus the evolution of super germs) essentially &quot;poison&quot; the bacteria through ingestion.

The difference is like a human building up immunity to hay fever through immunotherapy (where you deliberately adapt yourself to things that could otherwise kill you) vs simply peeling your skin off. It would be hard to adapt to the latter.

I have to applaud the scientists for holding on to the patent though. It would be irresponsible to prematurely release something like this and have it cause numerous unforseen problems within a few years. Better to be cautious.

Oh, and there are no such things as &quot;germs&quot; from a purely biological standpoint. There are bacteria, viruses, prions, etc. Germ is short for germination.

 

[gooseman]

I heard about this on the news on the radio today and the ending remarks of the story were, &quot;there is currently no plan to market this product&quot;. Whats up with that?

 

[typersakimoto]

that is kewl...... i need that

 

[HansHurt]

<<&quot;there is currently no plan to market this product&quot;. Whats up with that? >>


There are a lot of implications surrounding a product like this, as it has lots of potential uses i.e military for one...not to mention it will be a huge money maker, so strategy has to be figured out before you just throw this on the market. It could be a real advantage for the originating country also...a lot of things need to be considered I think.


But I may just be past my bedtime so feel free to ignore anything I just said.

 

[UsandThem]

<< The anti-bacterial coating, said Tiller, could be incorporated into the manufacturing process so that many products could be permanently sterile. >>



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[EvanFerguson]

hp:

<< Same logic applies to those who don't get sick very often. Someone who only gets sick one or twice a year tend to be much, much sicker than someone who comes down with a little cold every other month or so. >>






meh? I get sick maybe twice a year and if you think i'm at all &quot;sicker&quot; than the average person who is ill once a month (oh, lets say my roommate who is currently coughing and sneezing my ass awake at 3:20 am) then I think you're a bit mis-guided........

me = perfect health.......
except for the occasional blackouts, memory loss and chest pains coinsiding with arm numbness.......but hey, who DOESN'T get that??

 

[Sundog]

<< Antibiotics (and thus the evolution of super germs) essentially &quot;poison&quot; the bacteria through ingestion. >>



Careful with the word poison (I see you quotations). Antibiotics are essentially bacteriostatic or bacteriocidal. The suffix -cide is added when a killing action is implied, while -stasis/-static is when an organism is merely inhibited in growth or prevented from multiplying.

 

[Sundog]

Quote from article:

<< was able to kill up to 99 percent of Staphylococcus, Pseudomonas and E-coli, all common disease-causing organisms >>



Definition by FDA of sterilization: Validated process used to render a product free of all forms of viable microorganisms (AAMI/ISO 11134-1993)

Definition by FDA of sterilant: An agent that destroys all viable forms of microbial life.

Definition by FDA of disinfectant: An agent that destroys pathogenoc and other kinds of microorganisms by chemical or physical means. A disinfectant destroys most recognized pathogenic microorganisms, but not necessarily all microbial forms, such as bacterial spores.


Staphylococcus, Pseudomonas and E-coli are all vegetative bacteria. The article states that it kills up to 99 percent of these organisms. At most the would be able to have a low-level disinfection claim.

It would not support a high-level disinfection claim much less a sterilant/sterilization claim.

 

[Fermilevel]

Sundog:

Good technical info--thanks! I like to be educated on the material so I can make better decisions.

 

[Total Refected Power]

Tiller and his co-authors hold a patent on the chemical coating, but are not involved in any effort to bring the germ-killing technology to the market, he said.

Yea right. This is a mega-money maker.

 

[Keribeth]

Im with Happykitten on this one. I was always told that even using antibacterial soap is bad unless someone in the household is sick or has immune problems. The body needs to be exposed to certain types of bacteria. I am not sure yet this product should be used in the household.

 

[Pretender]

Uh, wouldn't putting it on surgical instruments also cause the killer to come in contact with human cells, causing them to die also? And if some is accidentally ingested and kills all the helpful bacteria in the stomach?

I see why it's not being marketed, there are many potential risks that need to be considered.

 

[Sundog]

<< wouldn't putting it on surgical instruments also cause the killer to come in contact with human cells >>



That would be have to be evaluated before the FDA would approve it for that application. This sounds like really new technology in which case a Pre-Market Approval (PMA) would be needed (Extreme amounts of testing).

If an equivalent product is already on the market, the a 510(k) would need to be submitted to show equivalence to the already marketed product.


Either way, a sterile or high-level disinfection claim could not be made (see above post).



If it is not used on medical devices, it is consideder a pesticide under the EPA and testing would need to be submitted to make any kind of sanitization, low-level disinfection, high-level disinfection or sterilant claim.

 

[Rhosin]

any safety evaluations of this new chemical coating? sure it will break down the membranes of bacteria, but what about other organisms? the theory may sound good, but the implementation might be why there is not current marketing evaluations

 

[Rudee]

Finally, I can sneeze around the house without covering my mouth, and use public restrooms without washing my hands or &quot;papering&quot; toilet seats before use. Yes, yes!!

 

[murdock2525]

It's all a bunch of horse $hit.
Money grubbing idiots chasing young, ignorant (not stupid!)people with these scams. My granpas buddy had a meat market years ago. Ya know why they used wooden spoons and butchers blocks and pack veggies and whiskey and syrup in barrels ! And still do.????
PLEASE pass this all over the net to stop these scammerzzzz !!!!!
Look at this.... http://www.woodworking.co.uk/Technical/Bacteria/bacteria.html