Per the President You Are Ordered to...

[JSt0rm]

im gonna laugh my ass of when he orders the next election void.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, yeah, but that's not socialism because it's not giving people free stuff. DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING

My mom loves to rant about Socialism and Bernie.
She's alive because of Medicare.

 

[Viper1j]

Trump is nothing but Russian Revenge. In 1991, we gave them Mikael Gorbachev, won the Cold War, brought down the Berlin wall, and spread democracy.

The Russians said: "Payback's a bitch!" And they gave us Trump.

 

[Commodus]

Trump is nothing but Russian Revenge. In 1991, we gave them Mikael Gorbachev, won the Cold War, brought down the Berlin wall, and spread democracy.

The Russians said: "Payback's a bitch!" And they gave us Trump.

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It wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't that Putin was in charge. Even early on you could tell he was obsessed with recreating the things he liked about the Soviet Union (when he worked for the KGB), as if it was as much about a fear of change as a power grab. You likely wouldn't have seen this if there were someone even vaguely moderate leading Russia.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump is now taking over how companies operate? Sound a bit like SOCIALISM!

BTW - I bet Ivanka would be exempt.

 

[HomerJS]

Maybe the Dems should just play this on a loop

 

[cytg111]

I think I know what Trump is doing ... A war with Iran would be over too quickly, he would still be out in 2020... a war with China on the other hand...

 

[BoomerD]

I'm thinking it's good that King Donnie the Dotard doesn't really have the power to order companie around the way he thinks he does.
If he was serious about reducing the trade imbalance, he'd hitthe companies that have off-shored with HUGE YUGE tax penalties. Hit them where it counts...in the pockets of their shareholders.

Edit: under the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), he might actually have the power to do this...

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/24/...-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

 

[Jhhnn]

I think I know what Trump is doing ... A war with Iran would be over too quickly, he would still be out in 2020... a war with China on the other hand...

War with Iran would reduce the world economy to a shambles. It would be utterly foolish to underestimate their strategic advantage, their capabilities or their resolve.

 

[ivwshane]

I think I know what Trump is doing ... A war with Iran would be over too quickly, he would still be out in 2020... a war with China on the other hand...

He's trying to tank the world economy and break up the US's ties and hold on other democracies and economies. He's literally doing putin's bidding.


That's my conspiracy theory.

 

[fskimospy]

Eh, the economy *was* planned. When we helped China into the WTO, US businesses knew they were going to save billions upon billions.
Free trade run amok (as China was playing by different rules). As much as I hate Trump, we did walk into this eyes wide open (our gov't, not the people).

If they had eyes open they never would have started this trade war because it’s one they literally have no chance of winning. China does not trust Trump to abide by any agreement we make, therefore they have no reason to offer any meaningful concessions even if they wanted to. If China were 100% ready to surrender to Trump today they still wouldn’t because there’s nothing to be gained.

Just look at Mexico. Trump threatened them with tariffs so they made some minor concessions to him in order to remove them. He did, then threatened them with new tariffs shortly thereafter unless they did more stuff for him.

It’s ironic that he’s the guy starting trade wars because he’s the one guy who can’t possibly win them.

 

[Ajay]

If they had eyes open they never would have started this trade war because it’s one they literally have no chance of winning. China does not trust Trump to abide by any agreement we make, therefore they have no reason to offer any meaningful concessions even if they wanted to. If China were 100% ready to surrender to Trump today they still wouldn’t because there’s nothing to be gained.

I meant going back to the Clinton administration** (in part for geopolitical reasons, and for US businesses). We knew this was going to happen, so oddly, I sympathize with those for the sanctions. We should have handled the situation better over the past 25 years. You are correct though, Trump has no chance and is just playing the "trade wars are easy" shtick as long as he can get away with it.

** Even early really, to Nixon admin. Not blaming Clinton, he was under alot of pressure.

 

[Viper1j]

What will he do if they tell him to fuck off?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/24/poli...-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

Trump claims 'absolute right' to order US companies out of China

President Donald Trump claimed he has the "absolute right" to "order" US companies to stop doing business with China that would involve using his broad executive authority in a new and unprecedented way under a 1977 law.

On Friday, China unveiled a new round of retaliatory tariffs on about $75 billion worth of US goods, the latest escalation in an on-going trade war that's putting a strain on the world's two largest economies. In response, Trump wrote on Twitter later Friday: "Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China including bringing ...your companies HOME and making your products in the USA."

When leaving the White House for the G7 summit in France, Trump told reporters, "I have the absolute right to do that, but we'll see how it goes." He later explained that he was referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and in a Friday tweet wrote: "For all of the Fake News Reporters that don't have a clue as to what the law is relative to Presidential powers, China, etc., try looking at the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. Case closed!"

Trump's latest comments again raise questions as to how far the President's authority goes under the IEEPA. In May, Trump threatened to slap Mexico with punitive tariffs unless it slowed the passage of migrants from Central America to the US. The IEEPA, according to the Congressional Research Service, has never been invoked to impose tariffs, and Trump ultimately drew back at the last minute.

The IEEPA, passed in the wake of Watergate and Vietnam, gives Trump "broad authority to regulate a variety of economic transactions following a declaration of national emergency," according to an analysis by the CRS.

Those presidential powers can be used "to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat....to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States."
Under the IEEPA, the President has to consult with Congress before invoking his authority and, after declaring a national emergency, send a report to Congress explaining why.

This authority has been used frequently; there have been 54 national emergencies, 29 of which are ongoing. In the first use of the IEEPA, during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, President Jimmy Carter imposed trade sanctions against Iran, freezing Iranian assets in the US, according to CRS.
Stephen Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas and a CNN legal analyst, told CNN in May that what Trump wanted to do under the law with Mexico may have been within the authority given to the White House by Congress -- though it might not have been what Congress ever intended.
"The idea behind these authorities is that the President is better situated to make those kinds of determinations than Congress, especially when they're time-sensitive," Vladeck told CNN at the time. "So I think the President's conduct may well be within the letter of the law here. But, as with the National Emergencies Act, I very much doubt this kind of exercise of the authority conferred by the statute is what Congress had in mind."
On Saturday, Vladeck again weighed in, tweeting: "One of the enduring phenomena of the Trump era is going to be the list of statutes that give far too much power to the President, but that many didn't used to worry about—assuming there'd be political safeguards. Today's entrant: The International Emergency Economic Powers Act."

Under the law, though, Congress can end an emergency with a joint resolution.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who has mounted a longshot bid against Trump for the 2020 Republican presidential nomination, called it "outrageous" that a US President would tell US companies how to conduct business. "That he believes he can actually carry out such an outrage is the insanity of a would-be dictator," Weld tweeted Saturday.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just read this. Things could get interesting, either way it’s a win to me.

Trump orders companies back, they either
a) Come back
b) don’t come back
c) chaos ensues before next election
d) everything is fine and we have more jobs back

I can’t wait for the next Democrat President to use this power. I’m very excited about the possibilities.

 

[BoomerD]

The better question is...can he do anything about reposts?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/per-the-president-you-are-ordered-to.2569222/unread

 

[Moonbeam]

Perhaps when Democrats were in power and negotiating these wonderful international trade agreements that would raise the standards of living around the world, they should have paid more attention to insuring that the governments of those people who would stand to benefit also had to been given a democratic voice in what kind of a system they would live under.

Seems that what we actually did was to tie a rising standard of living to the rationalization that all those billions should be happy they live in dictatorships. And look at the shining example we gave them of the prowess of our so called shining city on the mountain. We can't even remove a narcisistic delusional psychopath from the highest office of our land.

 

[cytg111]

Just read this. Things could get interesting, either way it’s a win to me.

Trump orders companies back, they either
a) Come back
b) don’t come back
c) chaos ensues before next election
d) everything is fine and we have more jobs back

I can’t wait for the next Democrat President to use this power. I’m very excited about the possibilities.

You mean like order all business ties with Russia null and void and total exclusion from the world stage?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You mean like order all business ties with Russia null and void and total exclusion from the world stage?

Didn’t think of that but yeah why not.

 

[OccamsToothbrush]

War with Iran would reduce the world economy to a shambles. It would be utterly foolish to underestimate their strategic advantage, their capabilities or their resolve.

A war with Iran would take about 1/4 as long as Desert Storm. They have zero strategic advantage, a military that can do little except control their own people to keep the current regime in charge and resolve generally goes out the window when the bombs start falling. Ask the vaunted Iraqi Republican Guard. The only impact to the world economy would be a very short term rise in the price of oil.

Iran is a convenient boogie man. It's important for wannabe tough guy leaders to have a couple of arch enemies to point to as say "See!! They're tough!! You need me to protect you" and even more important for those pseudo-enemies to be weak and easily cowed so that you can saber rattle 24/7 without it leading to anything. Iran is perfect in that role. No real capabilities or danger, but people still remember the hostage crisis and can get riled up easily if Iran is the supposed opponent.

 

[yllus]

A war with Iran would take about 1/4 as long as Desert Storm. They have zero strategic advantage, a military that can do little except control their own people to keep the current regime in charge and resolve generally goes out the window when the bombs start falling. Ask the vaunted Iraqi Republican Guard. The only impact to the world economy would be a very short term rise in the price of oil.

Iran is a convenient boogie man. It's important for wannabe tough guy leaders to have a couple of arch enemies to point to as say "See!! They're tough!! You need me to protect you" and even more important for those pseudo-enemies to be weak and easily cowed so that you can saber rattle 24/7 without it leading to anything. Iran is perfect in that role. No real capabilities or danger, but people still remember the hostage crisis and can get riled up easily if Iran is the supposed opponent.

No. The initial struggle would perhaps be 2x as long as Desert Storm, and the insurgency that would follow would kill more Americans than Vietnam did. I seriously hope Americans aren't stupid enough to believe their own hype and try it.

 

[fskimospy]

A war with Iran would take about 1/4 as long as Desert Storm. They have zero strategic advantage, a military that can do little except control their own people to keep the current regime in charge and resolve generally goes out the window when the bombs start falling. Ask the vaunted Iraqi Republican Guard. The only impact to the world economy would be a very short term rise in the price of oil.

Iran is a convenient boogie man. It's important for wannabe tough guy leaders to have a couple of arch enemies to point to as say "See!! They're tough!! You need me to protect you" and even more important for those pseudo-enemies to be weak and easily cowed so that you can saber rattle 24/7 without it leading to anything. Iran is perfect in that role. No real capabilities or danger, but people still remember the hostage crisis and can get riled up easily if Iran is the supposed opponent.

Iraq wasn’t that long ago. How can it be that people forgot the lessons already?

 

[trenchfoot]

Iraq wasn’t that long ago. How can it be that people forgot the lessons already?

Lessons are quite easily forgotten when it's much more important for Repubs to support their party and their president above and beyond the interests and security of the nation as a whole.

After observing Trump's nation crippling behavior and how his base is oblivious and well, actually proud of Trump's petulant and boorishly arrogant treatment of those he deem to be his (therefore their) "enemy" as well as their apparent unlimited tolerance for his constant backpedaling and having a chronic case of foot in mouth disease, i do believe his supporters will absolutely go along with any kind of military action that suites Trump's mood.

 

[Moonbeam]

Iraq wasn’t that long ago. How can it be that people forgot the lessons already?

It's easy to explain if you are aware of what you feel. That, of course, is an almost impossibility and for just the same reason.. The warmonger mentality is a psychological state of fear created by the chaotic application of putdowns qand threat to children to make them conform. The fear the parents have, is their own anxiety put on them by their own parents who feared in turn there children would be rejected and hated in society if they didn't behave.

The deep and necessarily unconscious state, to painful to survive with if constantly forefront in consciousness, creates a state of inner emptiness and anxiety that can be countered only with constant bluster. Basically all violence and murder and threats of intimidation are there to keep that emptiness from entering our conscious state via remembering. The most damaged among us, the paranoid terrified, have a profound need for control. They are in a hyper alert state that knows no inner piece and jump to attack even the slightest perceived threat. But naturally many many of them will seek to do this via the age old means of cannon fodder. You go die so I can feel safe. They are truly wonderful people.

Naturally this may well never be understood because it would threaten us with the same threat of remembering. I mean, how many times do you hear this of TV. Humanity sleeps for a reason and it's a good way to end pain by back handed self extinction, dead before you can awaken. Think about that night and day.................................

Gosh, I just remembered I have a date with my dentist for a root canal and I wouldn't miss it for the world.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Eh, the economy *was* planned. When we helped China into the WTO, US businesses knew they were going to save billions upon billions.
Free trade run amok (as China was playing by different rules). As much as I hate Trump, we did walk into this eyes wide open (our gov't, not the people).

Because consumers didn't save billions either?

 

[Ajay]

Because consumers didn't save billions either?

Yes, but at a very high cost in lost jobs and reduced wages. Automation has created the same problem, but the two combined have been awful for the" heartland in particular (as has NAFTA).
Apparently, it's been a Faustian bargain for consumers. Seems like we've been ahead of our skis for a while. I don't support what Trump did (lit his, and his base's hair on fire), but we do need to look out for employment in America. Not everyone can (or should) be going to college. Most blue collar workers cannot be retrained to become software engineers. I believe we are in for a tough row.