Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: VTboy
Also pepper spray only has a around a 70% affectiveness compared to a EMD Air Taser that is around 100%. Meaning that around 30% of the time someone will be able to overcome the pain from the pepper spray and it won't do you any good.
I know for a fact that Tazers don't have 100% effectiveness and that's not accounting for misfires or missing your target.
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
I am happy with non-lethal personal protection but WTF is OC and CCW? Explain please Mill.
Oleoresin Capsaicin= Pepper Spray basically. CCW= Concealed Carry Weapon... i.e. a nice big handgun that is hidden. Anyway, you do realize Civilian OC is worthless don't you? What is she going to use it for? If someone is robbing you and armed you don't resist with OC. A rapist isn't going to stop with Civilian OC. It gives a false sense of security and is utterly worthless. Non-lethals personal protection just means that you will have your methods defeated. Non-lethal stuff just doesn't work for personal defense. The Civilian version of the Tazer doesn't come out until a few more months. OC is wortheless in your case. Gun is the only solution. JMO.
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
I am happy with non-lethal personal protection but WTF is OC and CCW? Explain please Mill.
Oleoresin Capsaicin= Pepper Spray basically. CCW= Concealed Carry Weapon... i.e. a nice big handgun that is hidden. Anyway, you do realize Civilian OC is worthless don't you? What is she going to use it for? If someone is robbing you and armed you don't resist with OC. A rapist isn't going to stop with Civilian OC. It gives a false sense of security and is utterly worthless. Non-lethals personal protection just means that you will have your methods defeated. Non-lethal stuff just doesn't work for personal defense. The Civilian version of the Tazer doesn't come out until a few more months. OC is wortheless in your case. Gun is the only solution. JMO.
Thanx for the info. I don't believe in guns so she won't have one of those. She does carry a knife with her also. One day while riding her bike through the park she was hastled by some "African American" kids who tried to swipe the stuff she had with her (Her keys and SLR camera). She was able to get the stuff back, but the situation could have been worse.
We live in a small town (POP 45000) I was pissed when I heard about this. I would like to get her some self protection that works from a distance but if a gun is the only way to do it, then I am affraid she is going to have to live with close range combat (IE Knife). I won't have a gun in my house so that leaves her with a knife that is VERY sharp and under 4".
I don't believe in guns so she won't have one of those.
Originally posted by: shuttleteam
Try getting sprayed with 92% hydrogen peroxide once. Unlike tasers and OC, this will give the new look.
Cheers!
Originally posted by: ness1469
what, exactly, is the point in getting purposely sprayed? Do you build any sort of immunity to it, is it teaching you how to deal with it, or do they do it so you can say "Man, this stuff SUCKS, I really don't wanna have that done to me if it comes down to it."
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Actually neither of us believe in guns so I am not imposing anything.
EDIT: I knew the gun people wouldn't be happy with my post. It is my opinion and I am sticking to it. as for Opening my eyes and all that crap, what if she would have accidentally or not shot one of the guys. She would be in jail for a long period of time. It's hard to claim self defense when one of them is dead over something as simple as her house keys.
EDIT2: 4" is the legal size for carrying a knife here in Minnesota. So "No" the house knives are regular sized. I am friends with a lot of the local law enforcement and they say if they open the knife and it is longer than the stretch from pinky to thumb, you're going to jail.
Originally posted by: IGBT
I hear there's a varient of pepper spray designed to deter bear attacks..much higher concentration for maximum effect on yogies nose and eyes..field tested with proven results in Alaska...the stuff comes in a container that looks like an automotive fire ext.
Originally posted by: Rogue
Our installation is FINALLY permitting the officers to carry it. I had to get certified today, which entails getting sprayed with the stuff. I'll tell you what, that's some mean stuff. I think I'd rather be shot than get hit with that stuff. My face is still burning from it. I'm a pretty tough dude too, but this stuff is mean. I didn't even get sprayed with the most potent kind on the market either.
Word to the wise, don't get in a position to get sprayed with this if you don't have to 'cuz it will tear your ass up!
PS - the red face icon is about how I actually look right now.
Originally posted by: Ynog
Originally posted by: Rogue
Our installation is FINALLY permitting the officers to carry it. I had to get certified today, which entails getting sprayed with the stuff. I'll tell you what, that's some mean stuff. I think I'd rather be shot than get hit with that stuff. My face is still burning from it. I'm a pretty tough dude too, but this stuff is mean. I didn't even get sprayed with the most potent kind on the market either.
Word to the wise, don't get in a position to get sprayed with this if you don't have to 'cuz it will tear your ass up!
PS - the red face icon is about how I actually look right now.
My good friend also had to be sprayed in the face with pepper spray, he said that when he took
a shower afterwards, that it felt like getting sprayed again.
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Thanx for the info. I don't believe in guns so she won't have one of those.You don't believe in guns? That's strange. I don't believe in the lock ness monster, because I've never seen it. I can show you pictures of guns though, I promise they're real, and they do exist.
Oh, BTW, I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, but you'd be a fool to try to fistfight an armed attacker, or numerous unarmed attackers. THe most vicious forms of martial arts allow one person to combat 3 other people. One gun can allow you to disperse a crowd of attackers.
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Thanx for the info. I don't believe in guns so she won't have one of those.
You don't believe in guns? That's strange. I don't believe in the lock ness monster, because I've never seen it. I can show you pictures of guns though, I promise they're real, and they do exist.
Oh, BTW, I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, but you'd be a fool to try to fistfight an armed attacker, or numerous unarmed attackers. THe most vicious forms of martial arts allow one person to combat 3 other people. One gun can allow you to disperse a crowd of attackers.
That can be said about a lot of chemicals.
Chemicals such as Sodium Hydroxide, Potassium Hydroxide, Phenol, Sulfuric Acid, and hydrofloric acid that have been concentrated.