When my buddy and I were putting my rig together we sorta asked each other, "How long is a grain of rice?" LOL
We figured go with a long grain size just to play it safe. Some rice grains are short. Some long grains can be a half-inch I have heard. I guess we did about 3/8 inch long. When we set the hsf ontop we tried the twist method. You can twist a 9500hsf some so it can work. Basically you are trying to get the AS5 to flatten and spread out from the center. Like I said earlier it worked well so far for me. I dont see why spreading it over the whole surface wouldnt hurt. As long as its not too thick.
We figured go with a long grain size just to play it safe. Some rice grains are short. Some long grains can be a half-inch I have heard. I guess we did about 3/8 inch long. When we set the hsf ontop we tried the twist method. You can twist a 9500hsf some so it can work. Basically you are trying to get the AS5 to flatten and spread out from the center. Like I said earlier it worked well so far for me. I dont see why spreading it over the whole surface wouldnt hurt. As long as its not too thick.
That's a pretty substantial assumption. Particularly given that Arctic Silver is a company that exists mainly on the strength of its marketing.
Not even close buddy...If they were trying to sell a new product then I would think marketing...All they did was revise the application method to assure optimal use of their already existing product. They did not say or guarantee any specific results....
WRONG!!!
http://www.tgdaily.com/picturegalleries/gallery-20060727-6.html
Some of you may want to think before you post!!! Or at least do about 60 seconds of research...
Notice the notches and the specific oprientation of the core...Notice how woodcrest is different orientation then the Core 2 duo..,.
They don't need to have a new product in order to do something new to attract attention to themselves.
A good number of people are building new Core 2 Duo systems now, and if they come up with some way to grab the attention of those people (say, special application instructions for those users) it can improve their visibility. Especially when people go out and discuss it on forums. It attracts attention to them, and costs them nothing.
That doesn't inherently mean there's nothing to this application method. But "they wouldn't bother if it didn't produce better results" is not very sound reasoning. Maybe it's something, and maybe it's just marketing.
"SLI ready" memory also does not guarantee any specific results.
The application method of AS5 had been the same since the single core days. This amounted to nothing more then adapting their existing product to newer technology.
What is wrong with ppl that see evil marketing and lies in everything...This is not even close to the blantant mistruths of OCZ memory ads...I cannot even see how you can apply that to this. There is the stretch...
For ppl who can get a nice even spread of AS5, they likely wont see any difference. It is mainly for those who apply one round drop in the middle and perhaps it wont spread out far enough from the center to insure the rectangular core will have full coverage...
AS5 is just helping there customers....
I have tried other paste and removed them and used AS5...The difference has always been in AS5's favor. I dont think they need to play up their ref. Their actually performance says enough.
So?
Perhaps. But how do you know?
Who said it was evil?
The "SLI Ready" memory gimmick is an example of a company (several, actually) that sells a lot of stuff to the "enthusiast" market doing something to grab attention, but not particularly acting altruistically on behalf of its customers. Corsair, not OCZ, was the first to jump on that train. The fact is that "SLI Ready" memory is still perfectly fine (the sticks were good to begin with, an extra sticker on the box does them no harm), but not radically better.
The point is that you should not assume that just because you like Arctic Silver, they are acting in your best interest. Maybe this is a better method, maybe it isn't; time will tell. But assuming it's better just because they say it is, that is not reasonable.
Arctic Silver is a marketing company first and foremost. They make some goo that is a slightly better thermal conductor than some various other goo, and stays gooier longer. They make a perfectly fine product. But if it were not for their marketing department, very few people would care. Maybe they just discovered a new and better way to apply this product... or maybe they just discovered a new way to apply this product that does not particularly affect performance and will help keep their hype machine going.
The best way to tell is empirical data.
That is right genius....so lets just sit back and see what ppl think....
The rest of what you said is just utter bibble babble.....what the heck does it have to do with me just noting the application procedure is different for dual cores per AS's website, and I saw a difference so maybe others may want to try it...
You took this thread to a place it didn't need to go and makes no damn sense
Pre-spreading the AS5 can cause air bubbles to get trapped - and air is a very lousy heat conductor. The blob or line in the center method avoids the air bubbles.
BTW, the twisting only has to be like 2 degrees back and forth. This should be doable on any HSF before you clamp it down.
When I first got it, I applied AS5 using the pea sized dot in the center method to my E6600. Temps seemed hot. Then cleaned that off and applied a thicker layer (my CPU was concave) using the line method and temps dropped by 12C @ 3.3GHz! Then lapped (HSF and IHS) and used the line method using just a tad more than I did the FIRST time. Temps dropped another 11C @3.55GHz. YMMV It's worth experiementing a little with different amounts and techniques to try to reduce temps.
I think arctic silver is a good company. They have lead the TIM market and inspired R&D at other companies to catch up. All good for the consumer. And at $6 for a very large tube, they aren't gauging. I hope they are working on a liquid metal hybrid that cools better that AS5 but doesn't stick the HSF to the CPU. Liquid metal drops temps about 6C more than AS5.
BTW, the twisting only has to be like 2 degrees back and forth. This should be doable on any HSF before you clamp it down.
When I first got it, I applied AS5 using the pea sized dot in the center method to my E6600. Temps seemed hot. Then cleaned that off and applied a thicker layer (my CPU was concave) using the line method and temps dropped by 12C @ 3.3GHz! Then lapped (HSF and IHS) and used the line method using just a tad more than I did the FIRST time. Temps dropped another 11C @3.55GHz. YMMV It's worth experiementing a little with different amounts and techniques to try to reduce temps.
I think arctic silver is a good company. They have lead the TIM market and inspired R&D at other companies to catch up. All good for the consumer. And at $6 for a very large tube, they aren't gauging. I hope they are working on a liquid metal hybrid that cools better that AS5 but doesn't stick the HSF to the CPU. Liquid metal drops temps about 6C more than AS5.
Why do you feel the need to insult other people? Why are you so mad about something so minor? Unless you work for Arctic Silver, I'm not sure why you've gotten yourself so worked up.
You asserted that it must be a better method simply because they said it was. I disagreed. You failed to provide any solid reasoning to back your assumption.
You can't make sense of "maybe it is better, maybe it is not"? Doesn't seem that complicated.
Hey read the last post of someone it worked for...So that is 2 ppl with empirical data that say it works...
Now be quiet!!! You have complicated a simple thread to just tell ppl there was a different application procedure then they may have been used to...
I know...You are that guy with no friends...Cuz you complicate everything. You argued about smething that didn't even need an argument. Did you just want to hear yourself talk?
You are no help to this thread...move on!!!!
And in time there will be enough information to draw real conclusions.
Maybe you should have spelled out the rules of your thread more clearly in the first post. God forbid people discuss things, on a discussion forum, without your permission.
More insults? Why?
Originally posted by: Aluvus
And in time there will be enough information to draw real conclusions.
Maybe you should have spelled out the rules of your thread more clearly in the first post. God forbid people discuss things, on a discussion forum, without your permission.
More insults? Why?
Cause you have offered nothing to this thread...instead you insinuated it is a marketing ploy, and led the discussion down a path that made no sense...
I stated what I stated so people would try it...maybe some would see results and maybe some would not....
Basically you thread crapped from the beginning...
Pro tip: Don't reply to catfight posts.
Have many people here had experience with the Zalman thermal grease? The one with the little brush attached to the cap like in correction fluid?
Have many people here had experience with the Zalman thermal grease? The one with the little brush attached to the cap like in correction fluid?
That's an actual core2duo core:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/CrazyXP1700/Computer%20Crap/DSCN0919.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/...yXP1700/Computer%20Crap/cracked631.jpg
That's a Pentium D core:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/20/1001788mn7.jpg
See the difference?
Now you might want to do some research/thinking too before saying wrong..
Roche, I found the thread from XS where those pictures are from and it's not a Conroe, but a Celeron D.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1645776&postcount=49
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1645850&postcount=50
Here's a few more Core 2 Duos:
Pic 1
Pic 2
Looks rectangular to me.
Thanks for the interesting thread Duvie. I noticed a small temp decrease when I applied more AS5 than usual with my Conroe. I'll try the line method later.
I am right you are wrong...they are both rectangular hence why the dual core method resulted in this new application....
It is clearly rectangular....sorry try again...
So yeah. There is 1mm more on one side. Yeah sure a full line of AS5 will help :roll:
We've been using a grain of AS5 on Athlon64 for years and they are not perfectly square.
I mean compare the Pentium D to the C2D (ok it's not PERFECTLY square). It's pretty obvious the method is for the D.
Even a small grain of AS5 will spread much bigger than the c2d core anyway.
So keep doing that line if you feel better but I won't.
I think you are right on this one. The signature of the guy who posted says otherwise but the date is way too early for a C2D.
Anyway, one thing is for sure. The C2D is way less "rectangular" than a Pentium D. My Opteron 165 was pretty much the same size and who said we needed a line of AS5 for those?
Edit: Read this http://modbox.hu/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=41&t=56&st=0#entry384
No way we need a full line for this core.
You are right that the Pentium D is longer as a rectangle, but that was because it was literally (2) of the prescott cores which were square put togther...
I think ppl who can get a nice spread and spread it over the entire IHS is probably the best fail safe method....I just could never get it to apply that well...AS2 days were easier as it spread so smooth....
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