people who skip vaccinations are incredibly selfish

[ImpulsE69]

I've read your previous posts in this thread and for someone who professes to not know a whole lot about vaccines and proclaiming to not hold any firm beliefs concerning vaccines you sure are hellbent on spreading FUD about vaccine safety and efficacy.

"spreading" in ATOT forums. Right.

 

[IronWing]

"spreading" in ATOT forums. Right.

Yes. Quite so.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yes. Quite so.

I had to go look because I didn't remember having ever made a comment in here (or the other thread), and I certainly didn't find any, so I'm assuming you either are having a case of mistaken identity or simply trying to smear my name ;P

 

[ImpulsE69]

And the backtracking continues. Once again, I suggest you go back and delete your post that is a sad attempt at calling into question the safety of vaccines. You sat there, called out medicine because has been wrong in other areas with aspects causing "issues," we should assume the same issue with vaccines.

And let's not forget your fearmongering of those evil "big medicine" here to cover things up.

Sigh you really...just don't get it. Apparently you probably won't. I spelled it out over the last 2 pages what I meant. Maybe I'm not being clear enough, but the reality is I'm not an anti-vaxxor trying to make vaccines out to be bad guys.

I do have a general distrust of government and corporations. This is no secret. I question motives. People are not saints. They do things for money, not for free. I get that vaccines do their job (which I never questioned).

Having to spell out every sentence is tiring.

 

[Ruptga]

Hey guys I'm not against this thing, but did you know that you can't know how dangerous it is because the mole people are just in it for the money? They took into their tunnels everyone that got horrible deformities over the last hundred years, which is why I have no proof for anything.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Hey guys I'm not against this thing, but did you know that you can't know how dangerous it is because the mole people are just in it for the money? They took into their tunnels everyone that got horrible deformities over the last hundred years, which is why I have no proof for anything.

The maturity of your posts here is staggering.

 

[abj13]

Sigh you really...just don't get it. Apparently you probably won't. I spelled it out over the last 2 pages what I meant. Maybe I'm not being clear enough, but the reality is I'm not an anti-vaxxor trying to make vaccines out to be bad guys.

I guess I don't understand the 'trust' of medicine that some people are trying to show here. It is pretty well established that some things they find out years later cause issues. Why anyone would just assume vaccines are no different is down right naive. Maybe they are safe, but investigations into it are not exactly a bad thing. Not only that, they are businesses first. Don't for one moment think that they aren't in it for the money and wouldn't be quick to try to cover up something.

It is utterly obvious what you are writing about, hence why everyone called you out on your BS statements. Simply running around claiming that's what not is said is downright disingenuous and dishonest. Like I said, go back, delete to obvious attack against vaccines because there were other "issues" in other areas of medicine. It is clear as day and night you got caught for questioning the safety of vaccines for no reason other than hyperbole.

 

[phucheneh]

The maturity of your posts here is staggering.

MOLE PEE-PUHL, MOLE PEE-PUHL.

TASTES LIKE MOLE, TALK LIKE PEE-PUHL.

Mole people.

Just sayin'.

 

[ImpulsE69]

It is utterly obvious what you are writing about, hence why everyone called you out on your BS statements. Simply running around claiming that's what not is said is downright disingenuous and dishonest. Like I said, go back, delete to obvious attack against vaccines because there were other "issues" in other areas of medicine. It is clear as day and night you got caught for questioning the safety of vaccines for no reason other than hyperbole.

Attack against vaccines? Now you are reaching as you have since your first post. You have zero idea what you are talking about. Again, the only thing you clearly did was make assumptions. Quite large ones at that. Of course we know why, but you won't actually come out and say it. You saw what I said as a threat, when it really wasn't.

I'm waiting for him to call me a terrorist next.

 

[abj13]

Attack against vaccines? Now you are reaching as you have since your first post. You have zero idea what you are talking about. Again, the only thing you clearly did was make assumptions. Quite large ones at that. Of course we know why, but you won't actually come out and say it. You saw what I said as a threat, when it really wasn't.

Hahaha. Let me get this straight. You have zero understanding of vaccines, and yet post in a thread about vaccines how

Why anyone would just assume vaccines are no different is down right naive. Maybe they are safe,

The spin and dishonesty is astounding. You got caught, and called out by many people, and your only response is to deny your very statement. I suggest next time think before you hit the submit reply button.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Hahaha. Let me get this straight. You have zero understanding of vaccines, and yet post in a thread about vaccines how



The spin and dishonesty is astounding. You got caught, and called out by many people, and your only response is to deny your very statement. I suggest next time think before you hit the submit reply button.

Deny what statement? The post is there. I'm not denying anything. As for knowing or not knowing anything about vaccines, sorry, wasn't aware that was a requirement on a tech forum full of non-medical professionals. What makes you an expert? Reading a bunch of links and wikis?

Face it, you took my post as an attack on vaccines because you didn't understand what I was saying and got all bent out of shape. You assumed that what I wrote was me being anti-vaccine.

You haven't exactly been real conversational from your very first post. 'Why wouldn't people assume the same for vaccines' (as compared to medicine in general) is a perfectly valid question. Snog answered it with at least some humility. Again 99% of humanity doesn't know crap about vaccines any more than they know about aspirin.

 

[abj13]

Deny what statement? The post is there. I'm not denying anything.

Your endless cries of you didn't try to undermine the safety of vaccines shows how extensive you are trying to double-back and backtrack to cover up your obviously misguided statements about vaccines.

Why anyone would just assume vaccines are no different is down right naive. Maybe they are safe,

Why wouldn't people assume the same for vaccines' (as compared to medicine in general) is a perfectly valid question.

It far from being valid, it isn't even in the same ballpark. Vaccines have 50+ years of vaccine safety. There are millions of children who have received the vaccines. There are hundreds of studies examining the safety of vaccines. There are a multitude of organizations and societies who monitor vaccine safety. If you actually took the time to understand vaccines, you would never make such a statement, but the fact is you did. And you got called out on it, and you should just accept that your statements are misguided and delete them instead of calling people assholes and trying to spin your words into something that is less absurd, because that won't work.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Sorry sir, but I am done with this conversation with you. As with most people who are so narrow minded they can't see past their toes, you just spew the same sentences over and over like it was memorized because you can't actually hold a conversation. You quote the same lines over and over of mine without comprehending (even after much explanation) what they mean. You will believe what you want to believe. Have a good evening. No point in wasting more of either of our time.

 

[abj13]

Sorry sir, but I am done with this conversation with you. As with most people who are so narrow minded they can't see past their toes, you just spew the same sentences over and over like it was memorized because you can't actually hold a conversation. You quote the same lines over and over of mine without comprehending (even after much explanation) what they mean. You will believe what you want to believe. Have a good evening. No point in wasting more of either of our time.

Nice attempt try to act like you are saving face after calling me an asshole and refusing to acknowledge what you actually said. In the end, your fearmongering about vaccine safety, "big medicine" and conspiracy theories as pointed out by multiple people are absurd. That's the problem, so many people run around saying statements like:

I guess I don't understand the 'trust' of medicine that some people are trying to show here. It is pretty well established that some things they find out years later cause issues. Why anyone would just assume vaccines are no different is down right naive. Maybe they are safe, but investigations into it are not exactly a bad thing. Not only that, they are businesses first. Don't for one moment think that they aren't in it for the money and wouldn't be quick to try to cover up something.

Then plug their finger in their ears, while calling others asshole for calling our their misguided statements. Vaccines have extensive safety records, and anyone who sits down and looks at the data behind these safety records would never utter a statement like what is said above.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Infected people can only infect someone who isn't vaccinated correct? (I am asking not telling) So evolution will eliminate non vaxers. And the whole measles epidemic can only take place amongst anti-vaxers.

 

[brainhulk]

Infected people can only infect someone who isn't vaccinated correct? (I am asking not telling) So evolution will eliminate non vaxers. And the whole measles epidemic can only take place amongst anti-vaxers.

uhhhhh you need to read the thread some more

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Infected people can only infect someone who isn't vaccinated correct? (I am asking not telling) So evolution will eliminate non vaxers. And the whole measles epidemic can only take place amongst anti-vaxers.

Incorrect. Immunization isn't perfect and so relies on the "herd" having high levels of resistance to curtail and eventually eliminate infectious disease. With an insufficient population to sustain itself the disease itself dies.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Thank you. I understand now. I couldn't see why everyone was so upset with others choices. Now I get it. No Vax, we all are at risk.

 

[Phoenix86]

Incorrect. Immunization isn't perfect and so relies on the "herd" having high levels of resistance to curtail and eventually eliminate infectious disease. With an insufficient population to sustain itself the disease itself dies.

It's more than that. Children less than 1 year old don't get the vaccine yet. Some people can't get the vaccine due to medical conditions. Both of these groups need as many people around them vaccinated to stay healthy. With mandated vaccines this isn't a problem, when people can opt-out the herd immunity fades enough to cause outbreaks.

 

[preslove]

Sigh you really...just don't get it. Apparently you probably won't. I spelled it out over the last 2 pages what I meant. Maybe I'm not being clear enough, but the reality is I'm not an anti-vaxxor trying to make vaccines out to be bad guys.

I do have a general distrust of government and corporations. This is no secret. I question motives. People are not saints. They do things for money, not for free. I get that vaccines do their job (which I never questioned).

Having to spell out every sentence is tiring.

The only thing to get is that you're a fucking idiot with a muddled world view who thinks they're smarter than they really are.

 

[cbrunny]

I think it is pretty reasonable to ask questions about what goes into a vaccine regardless of if you're an expert or not. Vaccines should be under tight scrutiny by the medical profession/actual real scientists.

I think it is also reasonable to trust a medical expert and medical expert consensus to determine how safe a vaccine is, and to act on their advice to be vaccinated.

I may be entirely wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what Impulse is trying to say.

 

[preslove]

Unless something is super toxic, single or 2-3 doses of any drug aren't going to have significant side effects. The only way that vaccines could be dangerous is if they were literally poison.

Drugs that have significant risk of side effects are the ones you take daily (or very regularly) that over time will cause whatever damage to whatever organ. 365 doses over a year is a hell of a lot more than 3 doses over the course of a year or two.

It's also a hell of a lot harder to test a daily dose drug for side effects that could pop up after years of use, vs 1 or 2-3 doses.

You basically have to be an idiot who knows nothing about medicine or medical science to think that vaccines are dangerous.

 

[manimal]

You basically have to an idiot who knows nothing about medicine or medical science to think that vaccines are dangerous.

pretty much this

 

[JimKiler]

I would like to know how many potential issues these vaccines have caused. My local paper had two parents who said vaccines caused autism in their kids. I would like to know nationally how many other parents say the same thing.

 

[preslove]

I would like to know how many potential issues these vaccines have caused. My local paper had two parents who said vaccines caused autism in their kids. I would like to know nationally how many other parents say the same thing.

Those people read misinformation somewhere that came from some piece of shit doctor's fraudulent studies that were published in order to push his alternative vaccine.

Autism is not a potential issue with vaccines, it's just something idiot parents have been parroting that camebout of scientific/medical fraud