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people who skip vaccinations are incredibly selfish

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phucheneh said:
What made this a hot topic all of a sudden? I can't swing a dead baby without hitting someone arguing about vaccines.

This has been going on for years. Dumb people don't want vaccines because they think they're smart. Everyone else just listens to the goddamned doctors and scientists who say 'get the vaccines.'

Although I still include the flu vaccine as a notable exception due to its proven uselessness. Not 'proven autism.' Just uselessness.
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Because diseases that were considered to have been vaccinated out of existence in the US are making a comeback.
 
phucheneh said:
What made this a hot topic all of a sudden? I can't swing a dead baby without hitting someone arguing about vaccines.

This has been going on for years. Dumb people don't want vaccines because they think they're smart. Everyone else just listens to the goddamned doctors and scientists who say 'get the vaccines.'
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The measles outbreaks maybe?
 
SunnyD said:
Time and again it has been stated "negligence" over and over. How does that not become an ethical issue once the word negligence is thrown into the mix?
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By that line of thought, wouldn't everything where at least one party can be at fault (every circumstance isn't purely unforseeable and random/accidental) be classified as an ethical issue? I can be negligent in paying my bills, but what court would look at that as an ethical issue rather than a financial or legal one? A rose by any other name would be just as illegal.
 
SunnyD said:
If you want to use "the greater good" argument you either apply it equally or you tear up the entire fucking constitution and start from scratch. You may not think that an anti-vax person's kid is a special snowflake, but I've got news for you: Neither are you and neither is your kid.
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People are giving you a hard time because your arguments all come down to blatant false equivalencies. For example, gun control. As a public health issue, gun control isn't comparable to vaccination, because it's possible for someone to carry and spread a contagious disease without realizing it's happening, while it's impossible for someone to take a gun and start shooting random passers-by without realizing it's happening. It's also a false equivalence because if someone does pick up a gun and start shooting random passers-by, they are arrested and charged with a crime; no such criminal statute exists for unknowingly infecting people with a preventable disease. And the entire concept of the greater good is backed up by the laws we have in place that prohibit crimes like randomly discharging a firearm in a densely-populated area. That's why we've elected to have some common-sense restrictions placed on firearms ownership, such as a background check or mandatory age requirement; where are the similar laws for vaccinations? In Mississippi, where vaccines are required and no one gets measles. Hmmm....

Or how about the false equivalency argument comparing vaccines to abortions? Abortions affect the mother and the fetus; depending on when you want to define life as starting, that's a maximum of two people. Unvaccinated people pose a risk to every single individual they come in contact with. For this to be even remotely equivalent, abortion clinics would have to function by briefly poisoning the water supply, exposing anyone who consumed water at a specific time to health complications. As far as I'm aware, there are no abortion clinics operating under this wildly irresponsible method. There's never a case where someone gets an abortion and then everyone they interact with in public also develops spontaneous abortions. So it's not even remotely similar to vaccination in any conceivable way.

Please spend a little more time thinking about the next thing you compare vaccination to, lest you come back telling us that vaccination is analogous to fishing licenses and we're a bait shop selling measles to war widows or some other such nonsense and we're forced to conclude that you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. And should you get caught up on the "FREEEEEEEEDOM" angle, let's not forget why our country exists in the first place; to "insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, [and] promote the general Welfare..." Pretty hard to do that if everyone dies of preventable diseases. If we occasionally have to force people to get a shot to achieve these goals, so what? It's what the founding fathers would have wanted.
 
I suppose there are small dangers associated with vaccines. I've heard of people being allergic to the medium the vaccine is carried in. Vaccines can also make people sick for a short period of time. Both of those things could theoretically complicate a preexisting condition. I'm sure there are other things that I don't know about because I'm not a physician. The risks associated with those possibilities are miniscule and far outweighed by the risk of the diseases they protect you from IMO.
 
jlee said:
The ones I see are "I don't trust the government" and "it's not natural."

....yeah.
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Whoever coined the term 'natural'...I mean, with this kinda context...needs AIDS. Stat.

It has never and will never make any sense whatsoever. The only way to be 'natural' is to...live in nature. I say we dump all these people on a vast, uninhabited island. Like Australia.

They certainly shouldn't be allowed to, oh, I dunno...drive safe cars. Your car features man-made high-strength steel alloys. Its airbags use complex chemical reactions to fill bags made of synthetic fibers. Ect.

I don't see these people driving featureless wooden cars with tires made of goat scrotums.
 
SlitheryDee said:
I don't "refuse" to get a flu shot. I just can't be bothered to go do it. If someone would come here and administer it I'll take one gladly.
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Meh, to each his own. I do think its useless and I have not had the flu in over a decade. Something about getting vaccinated against something I'll get over in less than 2 days just seems silly. I'll take my chances.
 
NetWareHead said:
Meh, to each his own. I do think its useless and I have not had the flu in over a decade. Something about getting vaccinated against something I'll get over in less than 2 days just seems silly. I'll take my chances.
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Oh, I see the problem here.

You are confusing influenza with a common cold.
 
There is no argument.

The only argument with any validity is the "I am too lazy and will procrastinate" And that is a very selfish argument.
 
Vaccines contain Mercury, and I am already fast enough. Ask my GF.


And, the best argument, some of them take multiple shots over the course of months and ain't nobody got time for that.

And, have you had the Anthrax vaccine? That shit ain't fun!

zinfamous said:
Oh, I see the problem here.

You are confusing influenza with a common cold.
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While I acknowledge influenza is more than a 2 day thing, if my immune system can't recover from it, fuck 'em... err me, I deserve it. I am not a baby, geriatric, or someone with a compromised immune system; I should be capable of surviving a flu.
 
smackababy said:
Vaccines contain Mercury, and I am already fast enough. Ask my GF.


And, the best argument, some of them take multiple shots over the course of months and ain't nobody got time for that.

And, have you had the Anthrax vaccine? That shit ain't fun!


While I acknowledge influenza is more than a 2 day thing, if my immune system can't recover from it, fuck 'em... err me, I deserve it. I am not a baby, geriatric, or someone with a compromised immune system; I should be capable of surviving a flu.
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The argument for you to get the flu shot is not to keep you from getting the flu. Its to stop you from spreading the flu...
 
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