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people who skip vaccinations are incredibly selfish

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RollWave said:
As a physician many of the opinions shared here and in the media make me sad...
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Unfortunately doctors (and scientists) don't seem to have the big mouthpiece media does. It's sad when people get their medical advice from a commercial or talking head.

Now can you please stop talking and get my some antibiotics for my cold, hydrocodone for my scraped elbow, and give me more information on moderate to severe plaque psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis?

😉
 
A friend of mine made a great post about this on facebook. She has a son with Autism. The kid is a very nice young man (I am slightly biased as i am his God Father).

She said she finds it insulting. She said what it boils down to is anti-vaccers would rather have thier child die then for them to have the very slight chance of them having Autism (no she does not believe it causes autism). She asked then would her friends (some are anti-vacc) help her kill her son?

The remarks from them were funny. I don't thinkt hey got her point.
 
disappoint said:
Now what if you are the child, your parents decided not to vaccinate you. You end up suffering permanent damage that was easily preventable. How would you feel about that?
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We already have this debate on several fronts: Rowe v. Wade, Right to Die, etc. Do we really need another one?

Bob the Coder said:
You are a certifiable fuckwitted retard.
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Thanks. I'm rather fond of my right to opinions too.
 
SunnyD said:
We already have this debate on several fronts: Rowe v. Wade, Right to Die, etc. Do we really need another one?
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You brought that argument up, so you tell us. But first, consider that a major difference between this and those is that here we have a quantifiable interest in restricting a person's freedom of choice. Herd immunity is a thing, as has been long since established in medical literature, and recently demonstrated by all those stories involving measles patients that were too young to be vaccinated - when several years ago such an outbreak would have been unthinkable. Rights to abortion and death do not affect the public except indirectly; they're really not comparable.
 
Ruptga said:
You brought that argument up, so you tell us. But first, consider that a major difference between this and those is that here we have a quantifiable interest in restricting a person's freedom of choice. Herd immunity is a thing, as has been long since established in medical literature, and recently demonstrated by all those stories involving measles patients that were too young to be vaccinated - when several years ago such an outbreak would have been unthinkable. Rights to abortion and death do not affect the public except indirectly; they're really not comparable.
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The argument was brought up by those of you demanding people be thrown in jail and have their children taken away for delaying/refusing to vaccinate their children or themselves. I am just illustrating the parallels that nobody else wants to address. Those parallels, whether you want to consider them are not, are very relevant to certain individuals of the population for a multitude of reasons be they right or wrong in your eyes.

And for anyone that has any misconception of where I stand let me clear this up for you: I will wholeheartedly suggest that anyone considering getting vaccinated do so, especially if they deal with high-risk people, work in high-risk areas or plan on travelling. I myself have (I believe) my whole series of appropriate vaccinations and would consult a doctor if I were in the position to travel abroad to ensure that I am up to date on any vaccinations that typically are needed or need to be updated before travelling as an adult. But I will never, ever tell you how to live your life and force you to do anything that your beliefs disagree with mine on.
 
I wish we could get people up in arms regarding the net neutrality discussion with as much fire as people seem to have with this.
 
Fingolfin269 said:
I wish we could get people up in arms regarding the net neutrality discussion with as much fire as people seem to have with this.
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I think a lot of that fire is there, it's just an older topic that has been simmering for quite a while. Plus most people find it harder to care about abstract freedoms than sick children.

The argument was brought up by those of you demanding people be thrown in jail and have their children taken away for delaying/refusing to vaccinate their children or themselves. I am just illustrating the parallels that nobody else wants to address. Those parallels, whether you want to consider them are not, are very relevant to certain individuals of the population for a multitude of reasons be they right or wrong in your eyes.
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I roll my eyes in the general direction of those... overzealous people, but neither do I care how many people make false equivalences. Vaccinations and abortions have nothing to do with each other except that they both relate to health and they involve individual liberties in some way or another. One's an ethical issue, the other is a public health issue.

If certain groups of shit-for-brains really want to buy an island somewhere far away to live vaccine free and lose half their children before age ten the way that the gods intended, I would support them. (It would be one less problem for the rest of us, provided they stay on their island.) Them wanting to do that while living in our society is completely different and completely unacceptable. We don't need to launch some idiotic inquisition though, all we need is to revoke the exemptions we have allowed to creep in over the last ten or fifteen years.
 
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Ruptga said:
I think a lot of that fire is there, it's just an older topic that has been simmering for quite a while. Plus most people find it harder to care about abstract freedoms than sick children.
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I know we have good discussions on it here. Someone mentioned the "Facebook crowd" earlier and that's what I'm mainly referring to. To be honest I'm not sure if the average broadband consumer really knows what it means. Which of course just means we need to figure out a 'think of the children' angle...
 
Because I haven't seen a single compelling argument against vaccination yet. People say there are but I haven't seen one. Are these people just idiots?


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fuck it, at this point I hope measles makes a full blown comeback so these anti vaccine dumbasses can eat a dick.

Public health officials are investigating a “cluster of measles” at a KinderCare Learning Center in northwest suburban Chicago.

According to the Cook County Department of Public Heath, five infants at the Palatine day care may have measles. Diagnoses for two children were confirmed and test results for three remaining cases are pending, though those cases were diagnosed based on clinical and epidemiological criteria, officials said.

Health officials said the five children are all under the age of one.

All students, staff and faculty were notified of the diagnoses and anyone who has not received a measles vaccination has been told to stay at home and away from unvaccinated people for the next 21 days.
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AdamK47 said:
Getting vaccinations is a smart thing to do. Therefore, California.
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I'm in California and my son is fully vaccinated. :colbert:

Personally, I think you'd have to be a complete fool not to vaccinate your child but people seem to think there are compelling reasons not to vaccinate, I'd like to hear what those reasons are.
 
Those reasons are made up by celebrities looking for attention, pretending to know what they're talking about, or by studies who's findings have since been debunked or proven to be falsified.
 
JulesMaximus said:
So, what are the arguments against vaccination?

Because I haven't seen a single compelling argument against vaccination yet. People say there are but I haven't seen one. Are these people just idiots?
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"Natural lifestyle"
"Toxins"
"Autism"
"Big-pharma"
"Freedumb"
"Overwhelming immune system"
"Healthy life = won't get sick"
"Good immune system already"
"I researched the issue and it just isn't right for my kids"
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Oh yeah, forgot a couple:
"The flu shot gave me the flu"
"The flu is no big deal"
"Vaccines make me feel crappy"
"I heard from a friend of a friend of a cousin that so and so had an adverse reaction"
"It's better to get the immunity naturally by getting the illness"
 
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It's interesting that those who opposed vaccination are generally well-educated, affluent, and white.
 
What made this a hot topic all of a sudden? I can't swing a dead baby without hitting someone arguing about vaccines.

This has been going on for years. Dumb people don't want vaccines because they think they're smart. Everyone else just listens to the goddamned doctors and scientists who say 'get the vaccines.'

Although I still include the flu vaccine as a notable exception due to its proven uselessness. Not 'proven autism.' Just uselessness.
 
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