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HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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You are allowed to be on welfare for a predetermined consecutive amount of time , like 18 months and then are not eligible for another 6 months - year, where you can apply again. Working doesn't change the amount of time.

What do you do if you're out of work for 5 years?
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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No it's not. MEDICARE and the military budget are what's making us go broke. Jesus christ you are stupid. Unemployment benefits are not a major cost for the federal government.


Nope wrong. The problem is 50% of the nation doesn't pay taxes. The people who are paying taxes are the people that need the money most.

1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.

3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.

4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.

6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.

8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.

10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.
 

artikk

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Dec 24, 2004
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"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L.
Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277
(1953)."
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L.
Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277
(1953)."

There you have it. People have been putting out the same "Damn children!" bullshit since 1953 (maybe even earlier). Op, your generation is nothing special.
 

preslove

Lifer
Sep 10, 2003
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Nope wrong. The problem is 50% of the nation doesn't pay taxes. The people who are paying taxes are the people that need the money most.

:rolleyes: Bush's tax cuts for the rich (not you) and the wars account for most of our deficit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6

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Yes, let's blame the poor! Idiot.

Had Bush not CUT TAXES DURING TWO WARS, something never done in US history before, our deficit would be MUCH smaller. When you go to war, you usually raise taxes to, you know, pay for the fucking war. Only a complete fucking idiot chooses to cut taxes at that point. But, the Republicans gave themselves a lobotomy some time back...

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darkewaffle

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Oct 7, 2005
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That first chart is silly, I like how it treats the economic downturn as a non-constant as though "without Bush, the deficit would be all the way at this bottom line!" because of how it labels it. Yea he increased the deficit significantly, but trying to make it look like a rough quarter/third of the deficit increase that nobody had any control over was part of his policies is just shoddy journalism.

That second one isn't so hot either; using exclusively 'new' costs of course weighs much more heavily on Bush because he started the wars but, it's really kind of an arbitrary point. I mean in theory Bush could have spent 1.5T to start the wars but Obama could spend 3T fighting them and the chart would never reflect any of that. They're just very skewed perspectives.
 

Raduque

Lifer
Aug 22, 2004
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Not having the desire to own a home

I don't understand why you consider this a negative. Owning a home is the singular biggest pain in the ass, ever, and the most expensive thing anybody will ever buy.

My mother is 49 and doesn't want to own a house. My dad tried to buy one and she told him in no uncertain terms that it wasn't happening.

I don't ever want to own one. I just don't have the desire to deal with that bullshit and nonsense of having to fix everything yourself (or spend tens of thousands to pay somebody to do it for you), dealing with the taxes, the extra paperwork at tax time, etc.
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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Considering the majority of the people posting replies either did not read the whole opening post, or lack an ability for abstract thought, so something needed to be done.

Once again, we had a case of people reading the title, and then jumping to a conclusion "before" they read anything else.

Haha - oh so it's everyone else that has the problem. For some reason I can see you driving the wrong way on an express way and rage about how everyone else is heading the wrong way :D

Did you ever see the movie Pulp Fiction?

Sometimes you have to put the pieces together for yourself.

What does Pulp Fiction have to do with this? Surely you are not trying to draw parallels between your post and Pulp Fiction so I am not sure what the point of this was...
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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What does Pulp Fiction have to do with this? Surely you are not trying to draw parallels between your post and Pulp Fiction so I am not sure what the point of this was...

That's exactly what he was doing :awe:
 

SlitheryDee

Lifer
Feb 2, 2005
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What pisses me off about the situation in the OP is that the guy has a wife and two kids. That means he's probably getting poontang on a semi-regular basis. I've worked 50 hours a week since I was 19, supported myself, treated everyone I ever met with respect, generally been an all-around great guy my whole life, and I don't get shit.

It ain't fair. :mad:
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
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I read over your cool story and couldn't tell if you were trying to make a point or just telling a cool story.

please clarify.
 

Fingolfin269

Lifer
Feb 28, 2003
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Regardless of what is written in the OP, I do think that people have a much different outlook on work than they did when my parents were young and definitely when compared to when my grandparents were young. Of course part of their youth was during the great depression...
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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Since the other thread was closed, I'll update this one.

Update to the OP, wife is now expecting their third child
 

Beev

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Apr 20, 2006
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Since the other thread was closed, I'll update this one.

Update to the OP, wife is now expecting their third child

Shit like that fucking pisses me off. Fucking white trash pieces of shit keep shitting out kids they can't financially care for, and are obviously too immature to raise correctly, which will just result in them having three shitty white trash kids who grow up and have more white trash offspring. FUCK.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Shit like that fucking pisses me off. Fucking white trash pieces of shit keep shitting out kids they can't financially care for, and are obviously too immature to raise correctly, which will just result in them having three shitty white trash kids who grow up and have more white trash offspring. FUCK.

This.

My uncle was like the guy the OP is talking about in his post. He was an alcoholic and basically refused to work because he was "worth more than minimum wage." True, at one time he was (he was an auto mechanic) but he had been fired so many times that he couldn't get anything better. My grandma was an enabler so he lived with her and mooched off her.

He had two kids and my aunt finally divorced him. One of the kids turned out to be a loser very similar to him (couldn't hold down a job), whereas the younger kid who was always shit on turned out really well and is now an IT consultant after working for Microsoft for several years. I don't know how he did it, but I am impressed.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
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One of the kids turned out to be a loser very similar to him (couldn't hold down a job), whereas the younger kid who was always shit on turned out really well and is now an IT consultant after working for Microsoft for several years. I don't know how he did it, but I am impressed.

The kids are one of the things I worry about. With dad sitting at home bumming off the system, what kind of example does that set for the kids?

I posted this in another thread, but I am going to post it again:

My wife and I know a teacher at a local high school. When the teacher was talking to the kids about what they wanted to do after they finish high school, one kid raised his hand and said "I want to get my monthly check in the mail like my dad and grandfather do."

In other words, the kid is looking forward to being the 3rd generation in that family to live off social benefits.

My wife and I help that family in the OP from time to time, but mostly with food, gas money,,,, small stuff like that. I think its coming to the point where our help is going to have to be cut off.

My son (he is 17) has a part time job where he brings home around $300 a week.

If my son can find a job, I see no reason why the guy in the OP can't.