People who put "MBA" in their titles.

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: sactoking
MBA is as tough or tougher than the following:

CPA (Certified Public Accountant)
CFP (Certified Financial Planner)
ChFC (Chartered Financial Consultant)
CPCU (Chartered Property Casualty Underwriter)
AFSB (Associate in Fidelity and Surety Bonding)
etc.

From a difficulty standpoint, if you omit MBA for ridiculosity, you must omit these and their ilk as well. However, many INDUSTRIES value 'professional designations' as highly or more highly than a degree. In those industries, it makes sense to add them.

I'm sure Management Consultants would be comfortable adding MBA to their name. For their industry, it gives credibility, just like saying TQM (Total Quality Management).

I'm not any of those, but there are a lot of diploma mill MBA programs. Maybe a top 50 MBA is as hard as those, but doing one online from North Internet University is not easier than passing the CPA exam, if my friends who have done both are any indicator.

Also, all of those tend to signify a very specific area of expertise, and in some, the qualification to render a specific service. MBA doesn't do that. It's a graduate business degree more general in nature than any of those.

If you want letters after your name, get a degree and a professional license. Otherwise it's puffery. I'm not dogging MBA's, they do serve a specific educational purpose, but putting it after your name is really trying too hard.

EDIT: I'm in management consulting now. I haven't seen one person sign their name with MBA at the end, even people who I know for a fact have one. There are very specific guidelines at big consulting firms on what you can put after your name, on the business card, etc, all because you do not want to incur liability for a client relying on professional advice in your specific professional capacity unless intended to do so.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: sjwaste
- Bill S. Preston, Esq

Awesome. :thumbsup:

KT

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: sjwaste
- Bill S. Preston, Esq

Awesome. :thumbsup:

KT

It was necessary. I was giving professional advice in my capacity as a lover of all things stupid

 

[kranky]

When I was in college, the Admissions Director would sign letters as "Dr. Albert J. Doe, Ph.D."

I guess he was so insecure, he had to pimp his degree at both ends of his name. (BTW, this is never done. "Dr." at the beginning or ",Ph.D." at the end, but never both.)

 

[Drako]

This happened to me several years ago.

I have a cousin who is a dentist, and I got word from my aunt (his mother) that he was upset with me. Apparently he was really disturbed that I was addressing Holiday cards with the following:

Mr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

He wanted:

Dr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

Needless to say, I just started sending cards to them as:

The Snootikins Family.

Saves on the drama .

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: kranky
When I was in college, the Admissions Director would sign letters as "Dr. Albert J. Doe, Ph.D."

I guess he was so insecure, he had to pimp his degree at both ends of his name. (BTW, this is never done. "Dr." at the beginning or ",Ph.D." at the end, but never both.)

Now that's just stupid.

- Nigel Tufnel, GED

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: Drako
This happened to me several years ago.

I have a cousin who is a dentist, and I got word from my aunt (his mother) that he was upset with me. Apparently he was really disturbed that I was addressing Holiday cards with the following:

<Mr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

He wanted:

<Dr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

Needless to say, I just started sending cards to them as:

The Snootikins Family.

Saves on the drama .

Oh yeah, I love it when I call someone Mr. and it's corrected as Dr. (or overhear it). One of my buddies shrugs it off really well, with sort of a quick "yeah" and restates, so Mr. so and so. You can see the other person getting upset. It's awesome.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Svnla
I have an MBA and I never put it anywhere except on my resume. I LOL at people that posted their attendance record from their "Excel for beginner" class in public.

My business card is like this:

Company image
Company name

Name
Tittle

Business address

Phone
Fax
Email

thats all i use as well. if people come to my desk they can bask in the glory that is the certs ive acquired over the last decade. only reason they are up there is to assuage the big boss, otherwise they would be in the cabinet above my test table. engineers feel the need to put their status on their cards/ signatures as well, i tell them its cuz they have to justify their intelligence, since it isnt readily apparent. i love engineers, much fodder for my entertainment

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Ugh, one of the auditor's that does work for us sign all of his e-mails like this:

Regards,
Pretentious Douchebag, CA, BBA (Honours)

I mean why not just attach your entire resume for christ's sake. :disgust:

KT

I took you literally.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
I like Russ' sig - NCNE

No Certificates No Education. :laugh:

The email sigs that get on my nerves are the PARAGRAPHS with confidentiality disclaimers. That is ridiculous.

EDIT:

Example:

"This message and any attachments hereto are intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient'(s) named above. Material contained in this email may contain confidential and proprietary information of ACME Explosives for Road Runner Exterminators, Inc. Should such confidential and proprietary information be contained herein, the intended recipient must adhere to the terms and conditions as are contained in any agreement(s) between recipient and ACME Explosives for Road Runner Exterminators, Inc. with respect to such information.
If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or the person responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail or telephone and then delete this original email and any attachments contained herein."

we dont have a choice. i did, however, reword it and trim it down to two sentences. rules is rules ya know...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sactoking
MBA is as tough or tougher than the following:

CPA (Certified Public Accountant)
CFP (Certified Financial Planner)
ChFC (Chartered Financial Consultant)
CPCU (Chartered Property Casualty Underwriter)
AFSB (Associate in Fidelity and Surety Bonding)
etc.

From a difficulty standpoint, if you omit MBA for ridiculosity, you must omit these and their ilk as well. However, many INDUSTRIES value 'professional designations' as highly or more highly than a degree. In those industries, it makes sense to add them.

I'm sure Management Consultants would be comfortable adding MBA to their name. For their industry, it gives credibility, just like saying TQM (Total Quality Management).

No one is debating the importance of an MBA. But it's pretty stupid to put it after your name. It's different than CPA, which is relevant, i.e. if you work for a tax & accounting firm it's important to know who you're getting advice from (CPA staff vs non-licensed staff), whereas MBA is just your degree and is generally meaningless. Plus only CPAs in T&A firms do that, it's rare that a licensed accountant that works for a private will put CPA after their name

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Prolly got the MBA by mail. Like from Phoenix.

I know a ton of people here who PMP (porject management professional) and all those little side class certificates along with it too. I think they need to validate their $20K spend on their edumication.

I learned early on that the smaller the title, usually the more important that person is. Longer titles seem as if their trying to justify their position.

EDIT: To dbk, not at all. I think CPA hold equal importance to someone who is an M.D. I think you are basically telling everyone what kind of job you hold.

I am a PMP and didn't spend 20k on ed. And FYI PMP is equal to CPA as far as each respective profession is concerned. I put it after my name as I earned it (4500 hours of documented experience plus education BEFORE I could apply to take the exam - not to mention needing a bachelors degree). Plus when I give out my business card it drives a lot of prospective job offers.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: Drako
This happened to me several years ago.

I have a cousin who is a dentist, and I got word from my aunt (his mother) that he was upset with me. Apparently he was really disturbed that I was addressing Holiday cards with the following:

<Mr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

He wanted:

<Dr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

Needless to say, I just started sending cards to them as:

The Snootikins Family.

Saves on the drama .

Dr? Dentists aren't doctors.....

 

[sjwaste]

PMP isn't equal to CPA in terms of responsibilities and potential liabilities, sorry. A PMP is someone who is probably a good, or at least very experienced, project manager. A CPA is someone who's nuts get stapled to the wall if they wrongly attest to misleading financial statements. There is a big difference between a certification like PMP and a professional license like CPA.

There's no state board pulling your ability to be a project manager if you screw up.

 

[alchemize]

Both MBA and PMP here, don't put them in anything but my resume. And I still debate that...but I think it's important to catch their attention.

I also don't hang my stuff on the wall.

But I don't care when people do either...unless it's really insgnificant certs, or like 5 of them.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

we dont have a choice. i did, however, reword it and trim it down to two sentences. rules is rules ya know...

Of course there are rules. There's also etiquette. When replying back and forth most have never heard of the latter and their emails are HUGE with all this nonsense. Very similar to nested quoting here. I prefer to truncate as much as possible. As Joe Friday would exclaim: "Just the Facts!". :laugh:

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Dr? Dentists aren't doctors.....

What does D.D.S. stand for?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: Drako
This happened to me several years ago.

I have a cousin who is a dentist, and I got word from my aunt (his mother) that he was upset with me. Apparently he was really disturbed that I was addressing Holiday cards with the following:

<<Mr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

He wanted:

<<Dr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

Needless to say, I just started sending cards to them as:

The Snootikins Family.

Saves on the drama .

Dr? Dentists aren't doctors.....

Really? You should change dentists then because my dentist is a Doctor of Dental Medicine.

KT

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: Drako
This happened to me several years ago.

I have a cousin who is a dentist, and I got word from my aunt (his mother) that he was upset with me. Apparently he was really disturbed that I was addressing Holiday cards with the following:

<<<Mr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

He wanted:

<<<Dr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

Needless to say, I just started sending cards to them as:

The Snootikins Family.

Saves on the drama .

Dr? Dentists aren't doctors.....

They are doctors by education, but not by profession. The 'D' in degrees such as MD, PhD, JD, DDS, DVM, etc. stands for 'Doctor'.

The point is that general society does not distinguish between doctor by education and doctor by profession. If you say you are a doctor, everyone will assume you mean a doctor by profession (i.e. a medical doctor), and not a doctor by education.

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: Drako
This happened to me several years ago.

I have a cousin who is a dentist, and I got word from my aunt (his mother) that he was upset with me. Apparently he was really disturbed that I was addressing Holiday cards with the following:

<<<<Mr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

He wanted:

<<<<Dr. and Mrs. Snootikins and Family.

Needless to say, I just started sending cards to them as:

The Snootikins Family.

Saves on the drama .

Dr? Dentists aren't doctors.....

They are doctors by education, but not by profession. The 'D' in degrees such as MD, PhD, JD, DDS, DVM, etc. stands for 'Doctor'.

The point is that general society does not distinguish between doctor by education and doctor by profession. If you say you are a doctor, everyone will assume you mean a doctor by profession (i.e. a medical doctor), and not a doctor by education.

Which is why the ABA cautions any lawyer who wishes to take the title of Dr. Basically the guideline says if it's misleading (say, you're a plaintiff's attorney on a med mal case), the liability's on you. But I always thought a DDS or even a DVM were doctors by profession as well.

The JD came about because, iirc, the ABA wanted the recognition of what goes into the degree as at least equivalent to a PhD because of the amount of school it requires. Used to be an LL.B. in the US before that, I think. It's still the entry level law degree, albeit a professional degree and required to practice in most states (CA excluded in some cases), but an SJD or other Doctor of Jurisprudence is the research degree.

 

[KLin]

So unnecessary


-KLin, ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRTUVWXYZ

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
What's more annoying are IT people (and I am one so I can talk about it).

Some of these idiots list EVERY CERT THEY HAVE in their email signature along with their title, the name of our division, the name of our parent company, our street address, their tel#, cel#, fax#, email address (because they wouldn't already have it if the received the freaking email) the hours they work, their degrees, where they went to college, and some stupid bullshit motivational phrase.

In tribal cultures, social status was indicated by various adornments, such as piercings, and various animal bones, or plant decorations worn on clothing.

Nowadays we "adorn" ourselves with textual titles. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[moonbit]

In all professional correspondence and documents (including business cards), I have to include my credential initials, or even full title. State law requires it to prove I'm qualified to provide the services I'm documenting for. In personal affairs, I never sign my credentials. My name's long enough as it is.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: KLin
So unnecessary


-KLin, ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRTUVWXYZ

Absolutely unnecessary.


-randay


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[bobeedee]

Have one; never used it after my name.

 

[KingGheedora]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
What's more annoying are IT people (and I am one so I can talk about it).

Some of these idiots list EVERY CERT THEY HAVE in their email signature along with their title, the name of our division, the name of our parent company, our street address, their tel#, cel#, fax#, email address (because they wouldn't already have it if the received the freaking email) the hours they work, their degrees, where they went to college, and some stupid bullshit motivational phrase.

Hahahha, come to think of it, some of the IT guys at my work have done this too. I've never seen anyone outside the IT dept. do it either.