People who disaprove of the anti-war protests will appreciate how China deals with it.

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In Beijing, little official appetite for antiwar protests




from the April 01, 2003 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0401/p07s01-woap.html

In Beijing, little official appetite for antiwar protests
Foreigners rallied against the Iraq war as a Chinese march was canceled after its scope was sharply curtailed.
By Lisa Chiu | Special to The Christian Science Monitor

BEIJING - While thousands of protesters marching against the war in Iraq have been a common sight from Paris to Seoul, such activity is still a rarity in the People's Republic of China.

But Sunday, in an unusual move for a country wary of mass demonstration - even one whose antiwar message jibes with official sentiment - 200 expatriates were given permission to march in the first government-approved antiwar protest.

It was a different story for a group of Chinese students and intellectuals who had also planned to rally as many as 500 supporters. Organizers said they canceled their march after the Beijing Public Security Bureau gave permission for only 40 marchers, and restricted both their movements and their slogans.

The contradictory treatment sent a clear message: While authorities may tolerate some organization by foreigners, they remain wary of allowing Chinese to rally in public.

"Foreigners are not a threat," says Chinese march organizer and playwright Zhang Guang Tian. "It's more threatening for Chinese to protest."

The limits of tolerance
Still, the demonstration over the weekend showed the limits of Chinese tolerance. The foreign groups originally asked that 300 protesters be allowed to march in the afternoon on a route that would pass both the British and US Embassies. Instead, just 150 were given permission to march - in the morning, and on a route set by the Beijing Public Security Bureau.

Just before the march, a public-security officer read a list of rules to the foreigners who gathered at Ritan Park in central Beijing.

"Do not throw anything at the embassy. When it is over, leave this area rapidly," the officer said in English.

Holding signs that read, "Shame on you Tony Blair," and "No War," the group chanted "Mei guo hui jia," or "America, go home," as they walked the short distance from the park to the front of the American Embassy.

They were greeted by two American officials who watched the demonstration through an enclosed area at the gate at the embassy. The embassy had issued a warning to all Americans in Beijing a few days earlier, saying they expected the protesters and asked citizens to stay away from the embassy.

Another foreign group from the Beijing USA College of English in suburban Beijing also applied to protest, and was given permission for 10 people to assemble. The police directed them to Ritan Park as well.

"The police were really helpful," said Tody Cezar, a teacher at the College of English who is originally from Boston. "The war is unjustified. It violates human rights. We have to make it stop."

Onlookers were surprised but pleased to see the rally.

"Why is America invading their country?" asked one woman who would only give her surname of Yang. She brought her young grandson to the park. "This should be solved by peaceful means. The ordinary people don't want this war."

Glued to the television
Chinese citizens have been glued to TV screens providing 24-hour coverage of the war. Yang said she and her family make a point to watch it every day.

Her grandson has found the war images disturbing. "The Iraqi children look so sad," he said.

Another onlooker said it was good to see foreigners express their opposition to the war. "They should protest," said Mr. Li, who also withheld his full name. "It's good to show that it is not just Chinese who are opposed to the war, but foreigners, too. This will put more pressure on them to stop."

A few hours later, at the other end of town, about 100 students showed up at Chaoyang Park, the site of their would-be Chinese march.

It was unclear if they knew it had been canceled and came anyway, or simply hadn't heard.

Officers ushered them into the park, away from throngs of reporters, and told them that organizers had cancelled, said Beijing University student Zhang Ting.

As the students left, police urged them to move on. They also confiscated banners after the students displayed them to reporters.

Foreign marchers happy
The foreign marchers said that they were pleased with the cooperation of the police, which they attributed to China's stance on the war. Chinese officials have said since the start of the Iraq war that the conflict should be solved through diplomatic means.

"They were really cooperative," said Robyn Wexler, who is from San Francisco. "A few asked afterward how I felt and if I was personally pleased with police cooperation, and whether I felt safe expressing myself here."

Her Chinese counterparts had a different reaction.

"They said we could only have 40 people. They said you can't go here or there. They said we couldn't say this or that," said organizer Mr. Zhang. "So basically they are preventing us from marching."

"They weren't very nice," said Mr. Zhang of Beijing University.

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dahunan

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I often get tears in my eyes when I remember Tiannenman Square --- they killed their citizens who were begging for Democracy - just like Stalin and just like Saddam
 

Ornery

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<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.the-elmores.com/images/Zubayr.jpg">"The Iraqi children look so sad," he said.
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If this country's anti-war protesters would merely abide by existing laws, there wouldn't be anything to "disaprove" of! :frown:
 

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Originally posted by: Ornery
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.the-elmores.com/images/Zubayr.jpg">"The Iraqi children look so sad," he said.
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If this country's anti-war protesters would merely abide by existing laws, there wouldn't be anything to "disaprove" of! :frown:

So, are you saying none of them do? Or is it maybe that only the ones that don;t abide by the law get any press attention.
 

Ornery

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Are you saying the press is in the pocket of the Right?
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I think what Ornery is saying is that because the asswipes on the antiwar side of the issue who break the law, commit criminal acts, and generally cause disorder in the name of peace get the most press, he believes that every one of the millions of antiwar protesters around the world act and think the same way. Makes sense to me.
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Either that or he's making a gross generalization.
 

BDawg

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What's confusing here? If you disagree with a Republican president, you're wrong and you should be arrested. If you disagree with any other leader, it's okay; you need to have your voice heard.
 

Ornery

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The ONLY antiwar protesters that are suggested to be thrown in jail around here, are the ones breaking the law! DUH! :frown:
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Ornery
The ONLY antiwar protesters that are suggested to be thrown in jail around here, are the ones breaking the law! DUH! :frown:
WHO is suggesting that ANYONE who breaks the law should NOT be thrown in jail?

The anti-war protesters are (usually) willing to go to jail for their "conscience".

Is anyone suggesting we follow China's example in dealing with Anti-war protests? Perhaps our police should just shoot them. :p


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(I like the new emoticon - forgive me) :D
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Ornery
The ONLY antiwar protesters that are suggested to be thrown in jail around here, are the ones breaking the law! DUH! :frown:
WHO is suggesting that ANYONE who breaks the law should NOT be thrown in jail?

The anti-war protesters are (usually) willing to go to jail for their "conscience".

Is anyone suggesting we follow China's example in dealing with Anti-war protests? Perhaps our police should just shoot them. :p


rolleye.gif
(I like the new emoticon - forgive me) :D

Actually, a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc. Sounds like China is their kind of country.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Ornery
The ONLY antiwar protesters that are suggested to be thrown in jail around here, are the ones breaking the law! DUH! :frown:
WHO is suggesting that ANYONE who breaks the law should NOT be thrown in jail?

The anti-war protesters are (usually) willing to go to jail for their "conscience".

Is anyone suggesting we follow China's example in dealing with Anti-war protests? Perhaps our police should just shoot them. :p


rolleye.gif
(I like the new emoticon - forgive me) :D

Actually, a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc. Sounds like China is their kind of country.
Did you notice WHO I was replying to? ;)

I think China IS his "kind" of country . . . unless he can rationally explain his reasoning without a curse 'tossed-in' in every sentence or so.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Are you saying the press is in the pocket of the Right?
rolleye.gif


oh come on, quit rolling your eyes and use them instead; if you keep making up silly logic to dismiss and turning your head to the troubles, things are only going to get worse. as for the press, sure they are in the governments pocket to some extent; about as much as the government is in their pocket as well. here is a bit of evidence of their more recent efforts.
 

exp

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a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc.
A number of this forum's members also collectively have the IQ of a horseradish. They're not worth the effort, really.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: exp
a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc.
A number of this forum's members also collectively have the IQ of a horseradish. They're not worth the effort, really.
I am glad you are especially including yourself. ;)

I guess you prefer Saddam's methods of crushing Free Speech in the US. :p

:disgust:

 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: exp
a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc.
A number of this forum's members also collectively have the IQ of a horseradish. They're not worth the effort, really.

LOL!

 

exp

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I am glad you are especially including yourself. ;)

I guess you prefer Saddam's methods of crushing Free Speech in the US. :p

:disgust:
Geez...lay off the smileys, will you? You are all over the map with them...I can't tell whether you are joking or really upset.

I'm also not sure where that reference to Saddam & free speech came from. Please clarify.

 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: exp
a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc.
A number of this forum's members also collectively have the IQ of a horseradish. They're not worth the effort, really.

Well a number of anti-war protestors have engaged in violent activities. There are idiots in every aspect of society, on every issue, around every corner, and under every rock. I put the dipsh!ts who want to kill anti-war protestors in the same boat as the anti-war protestors morons who attempt to block firetrucks or food shipments to our troops. If you're anti-war and really are doing it for peace, than it should be enough to wave your sign. If you support the war and your troops than it should be enough to wave your flag.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: exp
I am glad you are especially including yourself. ;)

I guess you prefer Saddam's methods of crushing Free Speech in the US. :p

:disgust:
Geez...lay off the smileys, will you? You are all over the map with them...I can't tell whether you are joking or really upset.

I'm also not sure where that reference to Saddam & free speech came from. Please clarify.
The response to Saddam and free speech came from me.

I am neither joking nor upset. I simply didn't understand your post and my response was a bit out-of-"left-field" - I was referring - not to you - but quoted you as though I were. Sorry. :eek:

(the last emoticon IS descriptive of how badly I feel on re-reading your post and my errant reply)
 

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Originally posted by: exp
a number of this forum's members have written that the anti-war protesters should be shot, pushed off bridges, ran over, etc.
A number of this forum's members also collectively have the IQ of a horseradish. They're not worth the effort, really.

That is definitely true (Place emoticon here)

 

exp

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I am neither joking nor upset. I simply didn't understand your post and my response was a bit out-of-"left-field" - I was referring - not to you - but quoted you as though I were. Sorry.
Ah, I figured that might have been the problem. I was just confused by how little your post had to do with mine. No harm done. :)