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People who change their sex are normal people

Braznor

Braznor

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I have read somewhere people who wish to change their gender actually have their brains configured as the particular sex they wish to become.

So she males or he females do not have mental disorders because they try their outwards gender. Their brains are physically out of sync with their gender and they are in pursuit of becoming the person they truly are.

I would appreciate if anyone finds this study and link it here.
 
They are normal if you buy into the principle that there are no absolutes. The statement that you made in the Op further illustrates that their irresistible desire to change sexes is something their pre-wired with at birth.
 
Braznor said:
I have read somewhere people who wish to change their gender actually have their brains configured as the particular sex they wish to become.

So she males or he females do not have mental disorders because they try their outwards gender. Their brains are physically out of sync with their gender and they are in pursuit of becoming the person they truly are.

I would appreciate if anyone finds this study and link it here.
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So you're a guy who wishes to become a girl?
 
It's a mental illness and should be treated as such. Surgically mutilating those poor people is a crime, and the doctors involved should be in prison.
 
I personally have a very good long time friend of over 30 years who is one. It is a mental disorder and they are essentially freaks.
 
Icepick said:
They are normal if you buy into the principle that there are no absolutes. The statement that you made in the Op further illustrates that their irresistible desire to change sexes is something their pre-wired with at birth.
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This.

and in the most extreme cases, you sometimes have infants born with underdeveloped penis's, or over-developed clitoris's, or other mixed and matched body parts while they are clearly either male or female.

In the US, policy dictates that the parents of such children can decide at birth how to raise that child--male or female--and the doctors then augment the genitalia towards the parents' desired sex, and raise the child as if it is that particular gender.

In France, nothing is done to the infant's body. Parents are encouraged to raise the child as accepting itself, as that is how he/she is naturally born. The child then has the choice, at age 13, to decide if it wants to be male or female, and then has the option of surgery.

Of course the US policy relies very heavily on the nurture concept of gender identification and more often than not in these cases, leads to disaster for the teenage kid (a boy raised as a female always at odds with who they are supposed to be while growing up--puberty can be extremely difficult).

I believe the French have it 100% correct in these case, but nevertheless, it's interesting study on the nature vs nurture concept.

and no OP and silly people commenting thusly--it is not a mental disorder.
 
I quote my own post from another thread :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31569705&postcount=71

The biggest question here is always why ?

Although it is not a fact that is true for all homosexuals, some male homosexuals share some behavior characteristics with females.

The same also applies when looking at female homosexuals.
Some "Butch" type lesbians exist. Some are extremely feminine.

The main differences in a male brain and a female brain can be found in the hypothalamus.

What is the really only characteristic difference between males and females when it comes to mating behavior is the preoptic hypothalamus.

The preoptic hypothalamus plays a role in the mating behavior exhibited by humans and other animals. It has 2 times the amount of cells in a male brain when compared to a female brain. This could have something to do with the increased sexual drive of males. But that is not all there is to know.
There is also a part that controls the biological clock.

The Suprachiasmatic nucleus. According to some researchers, this part is a piece of the puzzle when it comes to sexual orientation and perhaps what humans and other animals find sexual attractive.

Then there is the sexually dimorphic nucleus.
With heterosexual males this part of the hypothalamus is much larger than when compared to heterosexual females. The theory is that with homosexual males however, this part seems to be smaller as well.

Transsexuals, and then primary male to female transsexuals, have a smaller uncinate nucleus than when compared with heterosexual males who feel comfortable in their body. Also part of the hypothalamus. This part is smaller in size and neurons when compared.

Primarily, the sexual orientation and awareness is rooted in parts of the hypothalamus. It has to be, because in nature many "gay" animals can be found. And these do not have the neocortex and other parts that create the human conscience.
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human sexuality is not black and white. the state of humans is not black and white. people arguing about this don't realize their entire premise that humans are either 0's and 1's is false.
 
Taejin said:
human sexuality is not black and white. the state of humans is not black and white. people arguing about this don't realize their entire premise that humans are either 0's and 1's is false.
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Exactly. Sexuality is a very personal concept that differs from person to person.

People get caught up on labels like "gay" or "straight", not realizing that actual sexuality is much more variant and does not fit perfectly into cookie cutter labels.
 
Braznor said:
I have read somewhere people who wish to change their gender actually have their brains configured as the particular sex they wish to become.

So she males or he females do not have mental disorders because they try their outwards gender. Their brains are physically out of sync with their gender and they are in pursuit of becoming the person they truly are.

I would appreciate if anyone finds this study and link it here.
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Normal is how most people are, with their brains in sync with their actual gender. No these people suffer from a brain abnormality. I agree we should be figuring out a way to correct this disorder, of course it should only be given if the person wants it.

Not saying they are bad or anything. They are just different.
 
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Dumac said:
Exactly. Sexuality is a very personal concept that differs from person to person.

People get caught up on labels like "gay" or "straight", not realizing that actual sexuality is much more variant and does not fit perfectly into cookie cutter labels.
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That's why we have catch-all terms, like "bisexual."
 
Greenman said:
It's a mental illness and should be treated as such. Surgically mutilating those poor people is a crime, and the doctors involved should be in prison.
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Ronstang said:
I personally have a very good long time friend of over 30 years who is one. It is a mental disorder and they are essentially freaks.
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Definitely not either of these.

Taejin said:
human sexuality is not black and white. the state of humans is not black and white. people arguing about this don't realize their entire premise that humans are either 0's and 1's is false.
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I completely agree, human sexuality is a spectrum, and someone can be born or grow to be at any point on the spectrum regardless of their physical gender. There are no absolutes.


Dumac said:
Exactly. Sexuality is a very personal concept that differs from person to person.

People get caught up on labels like "gay" or "straight", not realizing that actual sexuality is much more variant and does not fit perfectly into cookie cutter labels.
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Exactly! It's a spectrum.
 
Do the 'spectrum' guys know where to draw the line between 'defect spectrum' as in e.g. autism and 'third state spectrum' as they insist on specifically separating sexual behaviour? Just curious.
 
vbuggy said:
Do the 'spectrum' guys know where to draw the line between 'defect spectrum' as in e.g. autism and 'third state spectrum' as they insist on specifically separating sexual behaviour? Just curious.
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I don't get what you mean...? "Third state spectrum"...? Also what does the autism spectrum have to do with this?
 
Braznor said:
I have read somewhere people who wish to change their gender actually have their brains configured as the particular sex they wish to become.

So she males or he females do not have mental disorders because they try their outwards gender. Their brains are physically out of sync with their gender and they are in pursuit of becoming the person they truly are.

I would appreciate if anyone finds this study and link it here.
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but isn't that kinda the definition of a mental disorder?

i think you mean mental illness.
 
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