People who buy SCUF or Elite Controller thoughts?

[thehotsung8701A]

Your playing a console game as a console gamer and you still need that extra advantage over other people? Are you really that bad at gaming that you need to cheat and be able to use your face button while moving your analog sticks that give you massive advantage over another similar skill player with the regular controller.

I mean console is more competitive than PC because unlike PC, everyone has the same peripheral and that why it all about skills instead of what tools you are using. That all change with SCUF controller and the shitty company that makes it. They ruin the competitiveness and fairness of console gaming. I hope that SCUF company get burn to the ground and go out of business. In fact I'm writing an angry complain as we are speaking.

Now Microsoft want in and I can't blame them since they didn't start this crap (for once). I have ZERO respect for anyone that buy a SCUF or Elite Controller because your better off playing on PC if that the case. I'm a very competitive person by nature and I don't like coming in second, but if the tool determine my skills because if two people have equal skills, the one with the better controllers will always win out, I think it completely unfair and destroy the playing field.

I have a couple of long abusive call on the phone tomorrow to a few of these SCUF companies. Pro use SCUF? Nuff said, Pro can't win without expensive tool just like in PC gaming. When people piss me off, they going to hear about it.

 

[Lil Frier]

The butt has more hurt than I can fathom.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

The butt has more hurt than I can fathom.

I 100% do not disagree with you that I am butt hurt. :thumbsup:

 

[cbrunny]

What? What's SCUF?

 

[artemicion]

What? What's SCUF?

AFAIK, it's just a fancy third party controller. I think some models have special paddles underneath the controller you can trigger with your middle or ring finger which are linked to the face buttons (ABXY), so you don't have to move your right thumb off the analog stick to press a face button.

AFAIK, they are authorized and permissible to use at professional gaming events. And, AFAIK, the advantages you get from using a SCUF controller are minimal. Maybe significant if you are a pro gamer and need to scratch out every advantage you can get. Shouldn't be significant to someone playing on their couch.

OP is being whiny. An analogous scenario would be playing golf against someone using a set of $10,000 club versus your garage sale clubs. Or playing tennis against someone using a $10,000 racket versus the racket I inherited from my dad 20 years ago. Or playing soccer against someone in fancy cleats. The advantage is minimal. Get over it.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

AFAIK, it's just a fancy third party controller. I think some models have special paddles underneath the controller you can trigger with your middle or ring finger which are linked to the face buttons (ABXY), so you don't have to move your right thumb off the analog stick to press a face button.

AFAIK, they are authorized and permissible to use at professional gaming events. And, AFAIK, the advantages you get from using a SCUF controller are minimal. Maybe significant if you are a pro gamer and need to scratch out every advantage you can get. Shouldn't be significant to someone playing on their couch.

OP is being whiny. An analogous scenario would be playing golf against someone using a set of $10,000 club versus your garage sale clubs. Or playing tennis against someone using a $10,000 racket versus the racket I inherited from my dad 20 years ago. Or playing soccer against someone in fancy cleats. The advantage is minimal. Get over it.

Wait that makes no sense. If they are "Pro", why do they need these advantages? And like I said there are no such thing as Pro console gamer, that just laughable. I look down on them all.

 

[artemicion]

Wait that makes no sense. If they are "Pro", why do they need these advantages? And like I said there are no such thing as Pro console gamer, that just laughable. I look down on them all.

If Rory McIlroy is a "pro" golfer, why does he need expensive, professional golf clubs?

If Novak Djokovic is a "pro" tennis player, why does he need an expensive, professional tennis racket?

If Lionel Messi is a "pro" soccer player, why does he need expensive, professional cleats?

If you take your craft seriously, you invest in serious gear. Whether you regard PGL/MLG gamers as "pros" is irrelevant and an inconsequential matter of semantics. Lots of non-professionals and enthusiasts invest in professional level gear for all kinds of activities. I know a lot of mediocre golfers who spend thousands on clubs. They have the money. Who cares. Money buys you advantages in this world. Always has. Always will.

Frankly, the advantage a gamer gets from using SCUF gear is so minimal it's not worth whining about. It's pretty damn clear that you're experiencing some form of cognitive dissonance over the very apparent and obvious realization that you're just not as good at video games as you think you are. You lost because you weren't as good as the people you were going up against, not because they were maybe using SCUF gear. Better you learn this now and git gud than point to SCUF controllers as an invalid scapegoat.

 

[cmdrdredd]

There is one very clear advantage to having extra trigger buttons on the back to hit. In an FPS game when you jump by pressing the A button you move your thumb off the right analog stick. Thus you cannot aim for that split second. That split second of time can be the difference between a death and a kill. So you map the A button to a trigger on the back and viola, you can jump and aim at the exact same time. Never skip a beat.

Also why would people play on PC if they are on a console to begin with? Think about that a moment...now that you've thought about it you're asking what I mean. Well, it's simple. You have the hardware already. If you moved to PC you'd start over...need to build from the ground up and STILL spend $200 or so on a mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse. Plus, as strange as it sounds some people have real life friends on their Xbox Live or PSN friend list and they play together.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

There is one very clear advantage to having extra trigger buttons on the back to hit. In an FPS game when you jump by pressing the A button you move your thumb off the right analog stick. Thus you cannot aim for that split second. That split second of time can be the difference between a death and a kill. So you map the A button to a trigger on the back and viola, you can jump and aim at the exact same time. Never skip a beat.

Also why would people play on PC if they are on a console to begin with? Think about that a moment...now that you've thought about it you're asking what I mean. Well, it's simple. You have the hardware already. If you moved to PC you'd start over...need to build from the ground up and STILL spend $200 or so on a mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse. Plus, as strange as it sounds some people have real life friends on their Xbox Live or PSN friend list and they play together.

Man that is strange. I don't know what Xbox Live or PSN friends are, never had those. Come to think of it, I don't know if I have any friends really, darn oh well. Always been an unlucky social person.

Yup in a way it sort of like a macro function sort off. It give you an edge and I think it destroy the competitiveness of console gaming. It destroy the integrity of the game.

 

[chimaxi83]

OP, you are the very embodiment of every single "how'd you kill me??!!1! HAX!!!1!!!11" guy in the history of gaming.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

OP, you are the very embodiment of every single "how'd you kill me??!!1! HAX!!!1!!!11" guy in the history of gaming.

Except the last time I own a console was the 360 and I hated that console so I never bother with online. And when it come to FPS on PC or console, I'm just as good as anyone out there to be honest. Came first in Halo PC countless time, and pretty high rank in Counter Strike. And Call of Duty HAHAHA... don't have to say much about that one :sneaky:

 

[chimaxi83]

Except the last time I own a console was the 360 and I hated that console so I never bother with online. And when it come to FPS on PC or console, I'm just as good as anyone out there to be honest. Came first in Halo PC countless time, and pretty high rank in Counter Strike. And Call of Duty HAHAHA... don't have to say much about that one :sneaky:

 

[thehotsung8701A]

My post garner the attention of .gif? Dang I am doing quite well I see. Thank you for that .gif. I am ready to get out of my training wheel now :sneaky:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Man that is strange. I don't know what Xbox Live or PSN friends are, never had those. Come to think of it, I don't know if I have any friends really, darn oh well. Always been an unlucky social person.

Yup in a way it sort of like a macro function sort off. It give you an edge and I think it destroy the competitiveness of console gaming. It destroy the integrity of the game.

The point is to gain an edge without cheating. It's not much different than Fighting Games where people may select a particular stick and button layout they prefer and some people change the spring tension and switch the restrictor plate to their preference. The Elite Controller allows you to change the dpad and analog stick feel which is similar. On PC people buy special mice with software they can macro commands to the buttons on, and use expensive mechanical keyboards that allow them to enter commands more accurately and quickly because the keys have lower resistance and maybe tactile feedback.

Anyone who is serious about competing (even sports as was said before) will use certain gear to get an edge. Baseball players have custom bats made for them.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Holy crap.

Here's the deal. I am a casual gamer and there have been times where I needed to press a button and use the right analog stick at the same time. IT SUCKS. THERE IS A USE CASE FOR THIS KIND OF CONTROLLER.

Now shut up and go back to bed before mommy finds you awake.

 

[DigDog]

OP, you are aware that you can play these games with mouse + keyboard, right?

 

[thehotsung8701A]

OP, you are aware that you can play these games with mouse + keyboard, right?

Yes that why I'm leaving PC. I want to win base on my skills and not by the tools that I have available. SCUF only appear in 2011, so before that everything was base on your skills. I have top of the line mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse and to me those that don't are put at an unfair advantage even though I am very good with games in general.

 

[cmdrdredd]

A bad player won't get good overnight with a new controller.

 

[Skel]

Except the last time I own a console was the 360 and I hated that console so I never bother with online. And when it come to FPS on PC or console, I'm just as good as anyone out there to be honest. Came first in Halo PC countless time, and pretty high rank in Counter Strike. And Call of Duty HAHAHA... don't have to say much about that one :sneaky:

Just so I'm clear.. you don't own one of the current gen consoles that these controllers are made for but you are butthurt that someone could use the controller to get a edge in a game you don't play because you don't own the console..

 

[tential]

So what if a person has a low input lag monitor on Xbox One vs you using a normal HDTV with high input lag? That would hurt you too wouldn't it? Is that person cheating for having better hardware?

Buy a better controller, or stop whining.

Now that I know about this controller, I'll get one probably vs playing without it. Why would I not give myself every advantage humanly possible? This will probably make playing Halo a LOT more fun. I wasn't even considering getting halo, bu t now with a controller like this which solves one of my main issues with console gaming.... I just might get an Xbox One + Halo 5. I was already destroying people at Halo 4, but now I'm a little more excited for console gaming!

Edit: Is this something most console players are pissed about? As a PC gamer, this controller cost is nothing to what I've spent on my rig (Which applies to any PC gamer probably and I'm a peasant compared to other PC gamers when it comes to components outside the PC). Do console players really cry over a controller that costs 50-100 extra? If you can't afford it, you don't deserve the benefits. Haha, this controller + a low input lag monitor, I should play some halo 5 just to dumpster some kids for fun. I love the Halo series now that 343 has taken over it and catered perfectly to how I like to play lol. It feels like they take my design suggestions and just implement them into the game for me. Without me asking.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's not that people can't afford it, it's that $150 for a controller that is just a minor change overall from the $60 standard controller is a bit steep. Like I said, you aren't going to be the best overnight if you have the elite controller.

 

[tential]

It's not that people can't afford it, it's that $150 for a controller that is just a minor change overall from the $60 standard controller is a bit steep. Like I said, you aren't going to be the best overnight if you have the elite controller.

If it's a minor change for an extra $90 then why cry about it? If someone wants to pay for that extra change, then they deserve it. If you want the change then pay for it too you know? Not pointing you out specifically just saying. And I DEFINITELY want the change, so if I get the Xbox One with Halo 5, this is a must. I don't play many games, I played maybe 5 games on Xbox One really? So spending more on my controller is worth it to enjoy those handful of games I'm going to play.

 

[Lil Frier]

If you can't afford it, you don't deserve the benefits.

This is some great pay-to-win wording. "You're poor, so you deserve to lose." The elitist mentality is strong in this one.

Me, I could probably spend the money and get the controller, but between wanting to get a PS3 and Forza 6 next month, then the Halo 5 LE console and the Master Chief controller in October, plus Fallout 4 in November, I just don't think I've got much interest in dropping $150 on a situational controller. $150 for a marginal upgrade in one game just doesn't seem like something I'll care to spend money on. Many better purchases I want to make first. If it hits $100 for Black Friday, I might change my tone.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

Just so I'm clear.. you don't own one of the current gen consoles that these controllers are made for but you are butthurt that someone could use the controller to get a edge in a game you don't play because you don't own the console..

Yes and no. I'm going to own a console soon and my first game will be Halo 5. I don't want anyone with a competitive edge over me because I am both good with controller and mouse and keyboard. Since I'm already good, having an elite controller will make me even better so it not like getting good overnight. I am a good gamer in general and always have been. It the whole reason I'm leaving PC because I want fair competition. PC is full of hackers.

 

[Lil Frier]

Yes and no. I'm going to own a console soon and my first game will be Halo 5. I don't want anyone with a competitive edge over me because I am both good with controller and mouse and keyboard. Since I'm already good, having an elite controller will make me even better so it not like getting good overnight. I am a good gamer in general and always have been. It the whole reason I'm leaving PC because I want fair competition. PC is full of hackers.

And officially licensed, first-party accessories aren't fair? Do you want all high-end headsets with in-game, directional audio banned as well? What about low-input displays? What about high-end Internet connections? What about those who hardwire their consoles, rather than using the less-reliable WiFi solution?

I just don't get how a controller is unfair when it's deemed perfectly legal by the console manufacturer itself.