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People whining about Windows 7 versions

mrSHEiK124

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
Please. Stop comparing Windows 7 to OSX. Yes, you only have to pay $129 for ONE VERSION TO RULE THEM ALL. You also have to pay for every fucking service pack you get, nearly every year. That's more along $129 * 3-4 depending on how long you keep your shiny white piece of plastic. I pay ~$129 once for 3-4 years.

And please get it right. There are only two versions you need to give a fuck about:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows 7 Professional - same as Home Premium, adds XP Pro like features (Remote Desktop, etc.)

You will not be able to buy Windows 7 Starter or Home Basic in any countries you can pronounce.
Unless you're an IT Admin, you won't be able to buy Enterprise.
And unless you're of the most 1337 and über h4xx0rz, you won't need Ultimate, unlike Vista where you couldn't have Media Center AND Remote Desktop unless you bought Ultimate. Who the hell uses Bitlocker anyways?

That is all.
 
Originally posted by: anarchyreigns
The fact that Windows 7 has too many versions is irrespective of what Apple does or doesn't do with OS X.
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There is no "fact," it doesn't have too many versions, it has LESS than Vista.

In a Wal-Mart, the consumer will find:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows 7 Professional

VS.

Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Ultimate

That's half as many versions. Enterprise is for VOLUME LICENSING ONLY, it doesn't count. Starter and Basic aren't for the US. Ultimate (7) isn't going to be widely available, since it's largely useless.

Want to compare to XP?

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Windows XP Starter
Windows XP Embedded
Windows XP Professional 64
Windows XP Professional x64 (YES, they're different)

Am I forgetting any?
 
We still don't know (I think) whether they are still going to offer 64 bit versions separate from 32 bit versions for the non-Ultimate SKUs. That just made it even more confusing with Vista. Since 7 is not going to be 64 bit only (which it should be), they should include both architectures with all SKUs.
 
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: anarchyreigns
The fact that Windows 7 has too many versions is irrespective of what Apple does or doesn't do with OS X.
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There is no "fact," it doesn't have too many versions, it has LESS than Vista.

In a Wal-Mart, the consumer will find:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows 7 Professional

VS.

Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Ultimate

That's half as many versions. Enterprise is for VOLUME LICENSING ONLY, it doesn't count. Starter and Basic aren't for the US. Ultimate (7) isn't going to be widely available, since it's largely useless.

Want to compare to XP?

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Windows XP Starter
Windows XP Embedded
Windows XP Professional 64
Windows XP Professional x64 (YES, they're different)

Am I forgetting any?
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XP Media Center Edition came in two versions, an earlier one and a later one.
 
Originally posted by: Brainonska511

XP Media Center Edition came in two versions, an earlier one and a later one.
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Can't believe I forgot it, seeing as how I personally use MCE2005 on an older HTPC.
 
Originally posted by: VinDSL
I didn't know you could say fuck in these forums...

Thats fucking great!

Thanks, motherfucker! 😀
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It's been quite a long fucking time since they fucking got rid of that rule, ya know. 😛

WHOA, that search in your sig is freakin awesome! *bookmarked* Thanks a lot bro!
 
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
And unless you're of the most 1337 and über h4xx0rz, you won't need Ultimate, unlike Vista where you couldn't have Media Center AND Remote Desktop unless you bought Ultimate. Who the hell uses Bitlocker anyways?

That is all.
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Who the hell uses windows if they're l33t?

Originally posted by: stash
We still don't know (I think) whether they are still going to offer 64 bit versions separate from 32 bit versions for the non-Ultimate SKUs. That just made it even more confusing with Vista. Since 7 is not going to be 64 bit only (which it should be), they should include both architectures with all SKUs.
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they didn't. They only did this for OEM discs. Retail version had 32-bit and 64-bit bundled together.
 
Originally posted by: zerogear



Originally posted by: stash
We still don't know (I think) whether they are still going to offer 64 bit versions separate from 32 bit versions for the non-Ultimate SKUs. That just made it even more confusing with Vista. Since 7 is not going to be 64 bit only (which it should be), they should include both architectures with all SKUs.
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they didn't. They only did this for OEM discs. Retail version had 32-bit and 64-bit bundled together.
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Only Ultimate retail(and upgrade I believe) comes with 32 and 64. All other versions are bit specific.
 
Originally posted by: zerogear
Originally posted by: stash
We still don't know (I think) whether they are still going to offer 64 bit versions separate from 32 bit versions for the non-Ultimate SKUs. That just made it even more confusing with Vista. Since 7 is not going to be 64 bit only (which it should be), they should include both architectures with all SKUs.
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they didn't. They only did this for OEM discs. Retail version had 32-bit and 64-bit bundled together.
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Huh? Only Vista Ultimate retail versions had both 64-bit and 32-bit media. Other versions (retail) only shipped with 32-bit, and you had to order 64-bit media for $10 additional.

Here's hoping that MS helps to jump-start the 64-bit revolution, and bundles both 64-bit as well as 32-bit media in ALL versions of Windows 7 retail.
 
hey how about india
do we get starter or basic edition just in case we bother to migrate from xp or vista cause of any of the then compatibility problems that may arise
 
Originally posted by: blurredvision
:thumbsup: to the OP and his message.
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:beer:

Originally posted by: ganesh1
hey how about india
do we get starter or basic edition just in case we bother to migrate from xp or vista cause of any of the then compatibility problems that may arise
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Windows 7 Starter
An option for "lower-cost" laptops or "price-sensitive" consumers, with limitations: the Aero Glass theme is not included, it will only be sold in a 32-bit edition, and the system is limited to running only three applications simultaneously.[6] This will be available pre-installed on computers through system integrators or computer manufacturers.[6][7]

Windows 7 Home Basic
Windows 7 Home Basic will only be available in emerging markets such as Brazil, People's Republic of China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Thailand.[8] It will not be available in countries such as Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Israel, New Zealand, the United States, and the United Kingdom.[8] Windows 7 Home Basic can run an unlimited number of applications, but some Aero Glass options are excluded along with several new features.[8]
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Shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia. I'm going to wager you'll have the option for both. Home Basic will be slightly more expensive, but "full featured"; Starter will be the cheapest you can buy, and very clearly "crippled" in that it can only run 3 applications at once.

You have to applaud Microsoft for trying to make it more accessible in developing markets, however I think it's a failed business model. Nobody is going to pay for Windows in China, they're going to pirate it. When I visit the Middle East, in places like the West Bank, which are still arguably better off economically than China, nobody has legal Windows unless they "need" to in, for example, a corporate environment. Everybody else has an "FCKGW" 5-10 NIS (less than $3) copy they picked up from the same shops selling the licensed media.
 
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: anarchyreigns
The fact that Windows 7 has too many versions is irrespective of what Apple does or doesn't do with OS X.
Click to expand...

There is no "fact," it doesn't have too many versions, it has LESS than Vista.

In a Wal-Mart, the consumer will find:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Windows 7 Professional

VS.

Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Ultimate

That's half as many versions. Enterprise is for VOLUME LICENSING ONLY, it doesn't count. Starter and Basic aren't for the US. Ultimate (7) isn't going to be widely available, since it's largely useless.

Want to compare to XP?

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Windows XP Starter
Windows XP Embedded
Windows XP Professional 64
Windows XP Professional x64 (YES, they're different)

Am I forgetting any?
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You can point to other Windows versions all you want, but you're missing the point. The argument being made by businesses and technical people is that there are too many versions of Windows, no matter the edition. The different versions represent nothing more than a money grab on Microsoft's part and they don't exist for technical reason, but rather economic ones. At least this time they got it right and made each successive version a true superset of the previous one. Seeing that Microsoft claims that all versions will run on netbooks, then there really should only be two versions at most. A business edition and a consumer edition. Anything else and it's Microsoft simply nickel and dime-ing its customers.
 
Every company nickles and dimes it's customers. That's what companies do ;^)

If somebody can't figure out what version of an O/S they should get out of a 1/2 dozen choices, they aren't fit to run a computer.
 
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Every company nickles and dimes it's customers. That's what companies do ;^)

If somebody can't figure out what version of an O/S they should get out of a 1/2 dozen choices, they aren't fit to run a computer.
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Yes, but should they have to choose? What is wrong with 1 or 2 versions?

Home Premium: This has every thing we think you are going to need if you are an average user (which no one will admit to being)
Pro: This has everything and the kitchen sink in it, seriously, there are like 5 people that actually use all this stuff, but just in case, why not get it?

As an example that isn't OS X, lets use Linux. Once you have narrowed it down to a distro, I don't think you then have to choose between different versions of the distro, at least not the most popular ones. I think the most choosing there is is something like KDE or Gnome.
 
Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Every company nickles and dimes it's customers. That's what companies do ;^)

If somebody can't figure out what version of an O/S they should get out of a 1/2 dozen choices, they aren't fit to run a computer.
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Yes, but should they have to choose? What is wrong with 1 or 2 versions?

Home Premium: This has every thing we think you are going to need if you are an average user (which no one will admit to being)
Pro: This has everything and the kitchen sink in it, seriously, there are like 5 people that actually use all this stuff, but just in case, why not get it?

As an example that isn't OS X, lets use Linux. Once you have narrowed it down to a distro, I don't think you then have to choose between different versions of the distro, at least not the most popular ones. I think the most choosing there is is something like KDE or Gnome.
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Those 2 versions are basically all a consumer is going to have to choose from at retail (save for the Ultimate, which Microsoft promises to be scarce or only available during special promotions). Besides, your linux analogy is flawed because you daintily step past the rather complicated choice of what distro to use. Of course, I mean complicated in the sense that a regular joe-schmoe user will be picking it, not the inclined tech guys we have here.
 
So how come you guys complain about this crap when MS brings it to the table? None of you mofo's said a d***n word for years about Linux and its 100+ different distrobutions. thats fuking BS!!! MS releases a small few distros, 2 of which for W7 will be sitting on the shelf at best buy for home users and its OMFG!! lets panic, i cant decide!!
go to Linux then you ****s
 
Originally posted by: 4537256
So how come you guys complain about this crap when MS brings it to the table? None of you mofo's said a d***n word for years about Linux and its 100+ different distrobutions. thats fuking BS!!! MS releases a small few distros, 2 of which for W7 will be sitting on the shelf at best buy for home users and its OMFG!! lets panic, i cant decide!!
go to Linux then you ****s
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2 Reasons:
1: 'Linux' is not a company, it is 100s of different distros (well, certainly at least dozens) because it is open and therefore all kinds of people can come along and do a little thing and call it something new
2: Microsoft is charging money and making it more complicated for the end user.

So long as Microsoft sticks to it and really does just keep Home Premium and Pro in the eyes of the consumer, then good on 'em. But if it gets messed up and people start having to choose between 5-6 different versions... then you will have people clamoring for XP, because regardless of whether or not it has more or fewer versions, it is what they are used to.
 
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