People that don't get vaccinated...

[zinfamous]

FACT:

I'm immune to everything.

except retardation, apparently.

 

[Jaskalas]

The ignorance thus far in this thread is amazing. The reason you might be saying "ineffective" is that you need a new flu shot each year. The reason for a new shot each year is that there isn't a "the flu" - there are a lot of different strains, and a vaccination is only good against 2 to 3 strains. They have to make an informed "guess" as to which strains will be common a couple of months ahead of time, but unlike an ATOT member "guessing" - these are very educated guesses. This year, the vaccination protects against two strains, and their "guess" was perfect - those are the two strains that are going around.

Your statement doesn't change what I said, a yearly flu vaccine is quite ineffective. Maybe our opinions differ on effectiveness, especially on something as inconsequential as the flu.

 

[paperfist]

The ignorance thus far in this thread is amazing. The reason you might be saying "ineffective" is that you need a new flu shot each year. The reason for a new shot each year is that there isn't a "the flu" - there are a lot of different strains, and a vaccination is only good against 2 to 3 strains. They have to make an informed "guess" as to which strains will be common a couple of months ahead of time, but unlike an ATOT member "guessing" - these are very educated guesses. This year, the vaccination protects against two strains, and their "guess" was perfect - those are the two strains that are going around.

If there's more then 3 strains and the shot only protects against 2-3 then what's the point?

I know 2 people who get flu shots each year and I don't. This year those 2 people and myself got their asses kicked by the flu. My recovery time was faster. What gives?

 

[Jaskalas]

If there's more then 3 strains and the shot only protects against 2-3 then what's the point?

I know 2 people who get flu shots each year and I don't. This year those 2 people and myself got their asses kicked by the flu. My recovery time was faster. What gives?

I doubt it has anything to do with the shot.

Factors would include your health, their health, the particular strain of flu, the amount you were exposed to, what environment you contracted it from, etc. So many environmental and other factors that could hinder its progression

 

[raildogg]

The more drugs science creates to fight diseases, the less stronger the human body will be to fight those diseases. After all, if one is dependent on a drug to provide some level of immunity, then how will the body develop its own immune system?

But our science and technology are advancing so we must follow and take what they give us.

 

[Gibsons]

If there's more then 3 strains and the shot only protects against 2-3 then what's the point?

I know 2 people who get flu shots each year and I don't. This year those 2 people and myself got their asses kicked by the flu. My recovery time was faster. What gives?

1. The circulating flu in North America is usually just one strain per season, meaning just one strain causes ~99% of cases for that season.

2. First, small sample size. Second, how do you know it was the influenza virus, and not something else?

 

[mnewsham]

I've never had the flu, also never had a flu shot ._.

 

[paperfist]

1. The circulating flu in North America is usually just one strain per season, meaning just one strain causes ~99% of cases for that season.

2. First, small sample size. Second, how do you know it was the influenza virus, and not something else?

I know it's a tiny sample size, but it's the best comparison I have. In the past other people I know get the shot yearly and they end up getting a 'flu'.

I can only go by them saying their doctor said they had the flu.

Like Jaskalas said, lots of variables. Could never make a scientific case in point, but going by the best 'facts' I have

 

[ichy]

People lived and faced conditions and therefore built themselves up. If we artificially protect ourselves from the elements, humanity in the long run will suffer if the drugs ever run out. All I'm saying is we are too dependent on drugs.

Maybe we should bring back polio while we're at it

 

[Jeff7]

Maybe we should bring back polio while we're at it

Or the good old days of open sewers in the streets.
It may look like mud, but it isn't.

 

[zinfamous]

Or the good old days of open sewers in the streets.
It may look like mud, but it isn't.

I miss Cholera.



Well, maybe I wouldn't, if I actually knew what it was like to live around it.

:hmm:

 

[KeithTalent]

Nah, it is usually a fear of something far dumber than the needles themselves.

KT

 

[Red Squirrel]

No, I don't bother because it's just yet another errand I have to run, and I don't get the flu anyway. I've only gotten it like once in over 10 years. So if I don't have to go out in the winter and dark, then I don't. Call me lazy, I guess.

When I worked at the hospital they used to come to our office to give the flu shot, I'd get it then. But now that I'm not there anymore I just don't bother. For other vaccines like Hep B and all that, I'm up to date on them, as I got them last time I visited my doctor. Actually I think I may have gotten the flu shot too that time, I can't recall. They just rolled up a bunch of stuff into a single shot, it was mostly boosters for stuff I got as a kid but possibly the flu shot was in there too.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Some vaccines make sense. Others (like the flu shot) are pretty worthless.

And I have no problem saying I hate needles also

 

[coldmeat]

I've never voluntarily been vaccinated for anything, and I've never caught anything.

 

[Gunslinger08]

For some reason, people who don't vaccinate their kids really bug me. Not that it affects me in the least. I guess I would expand that to people who accept pseudoscience BS, despite the abundance of empirical evidence to the contrary.

 

[SsupernovaE]

Unbelievable ignorance, laziness, and foolishness in this thread.

 

[brianmanahan]

i'm not afraid of needles, i just thought it was stupid to get a flu shot since the flu is no big deal, so i didnt do it

 

[eits]

i had my childhood vaccinations. i'm good.

but fuck a flu shot.

 

[SMOGZINN]

The more drugs science creates to fight diseases, the less stronger the human body will be to fight those diseases. After all, if one is dependent on a drug to provide some level of immunity, then how will the body develop its own immune system?

But our science and technology are advancing so we must follow and take what they give us.

You apparently have no idea how vaccination works. The flu shot introduces your body to a small sample of dead flu virus, which allows your body to learn how to fight it off. This is exactly the same has how your body learns to fight it off by encountering it from a sick person, just in this case there is no chance of it quickly reproducing and overwhelming your defenses.

If there's more then 3 strains and the shot only protects against 2-3 then what's the point?

I know 2 people who get flu shots each year and I don't. This year those 2 people and myself got their asses kicked by the flu. My recovery time was faster. What gives?

You fail at basic math.
If people get attacked by sharks, bears, and lions, is there no point in getting rid of the sharks and lions if we can't also get rid of all the bears?

 

[Red Squirrel]

i'm not afraid of needles, i just thought it was stupid to get a flu shot since the flu is no big deal, so i didnt do it

Yeah the flu is way overrated, I'd rather have the flu any day over a cold. At least the flu only lasts a few days at most. Sucks while you have it, but given the low risk and the fact that it's not THAT bad, it's the least of my worries.

 

[sao123]

The more drugs science creates to fight diseases, the less stronger the human body will be to fight those diseases. After all, if one is dependent on a drug to provide some level of immunity, then how will the body develop its own immune system?

But our science and technology are advancing so we must follow and take what they give us.

a vaccination is not a drug... its an intentional exposure to something which the immune system must then react... thus artifially stimulating immunity.

more vaccines = less drugs.

 

[raildogg]

Maybe we should bring back polio while we're at it

LOL, you guys are funny. Well, I just think we should avoid any type of medication or vaccination unless it is absolutely necessary. That is all.

If you want a flu shot, please go ahead. I think with the way things are going, all people will be required to get a flu shot sooner or later, or some other type of medical cure that they deem is required. It's all in the name of medical advancement and science, so it should be alright ...

 

[SparkyJJO]

You apparently have no idea how vaccination works. The flu shot introduces your body to a small sample of dead flu virus, which allows your body to learn how to fight it off. This is exactly the same has how your body learns to fight it off by encountering it from a sick person, just in this case there is no chance of it quickly reproducing and overwhelming your defenses.

Yeah, no chance of you getting the flu from the flu shot.

...Which is why every year while my brother was in the Navy they'd get the flu shot (mandatory) and within a few days half the ship was sick with the flu :hmm:

 

[mcveigh]

a vaccination is not a drug... its an intentional exposure to something which the immune system must then react... thus artifially stimulating immunity.

more vaccines = less drugs.

you know there is more in vaccines than just a dead virus???