People selling their 7970s?

[nOOky]

I could hardly justify selling my HD7970, which overclocks very well to buy a card $50 cheaper that would net me pretty much the same fps. If anything it would make some of my games un-noticeably faster, and some un-noticeably slower depending on the game.
If I were buying now it'd be a GTX680, but 3 months ago nothing else compared to the HD7970.

 

[Tsaar]

No reason to sell a 7970 for a 680 imo.

I disagree with those saying AMD doesn't need to lower their prices because of low supply. The problem is, the 7970 demand just went to basically zero with the launch of the 680. They are practically forced to lower their prices because only fanboys or the select few who HAVE to have 3gb of ram and cannot hold out for the 4gb models of the 680 will want the 7970.

 

[Rvenger]

. Computer enthusiasts are very weird in the fact they'll sell something for a loss just to get the latest and greatest even if it provides no discernible difference.

:hmm:


I see how some are selling the 7970s for ~450 in the FS/FT forum. I would not even think of selling them for a 680. Its simply not worth it because AMD's price drop will probably be $50 tops. I think the $50 premium is worth it especially if you were using it since December.

 

[peonyu]

Some people simply have the $$$ for it and others dont. For me my 7970 cost a hell of a lot and I only bought it because my 580 bit the dust, and the RMA turn around time was a month atleast. It was easier for me to buy a 7970 and sell my [now working via RMA] 580 to make back alot of the money. A 580 tbh is still more than fast enough for 99% of people, the 7970 is overkill as is the 680. I doubt anyone will notice a real difference between a 7970 and a 680 in gameplay.

Edit- selling a 7970 to buy a 680 is dumb if you ask me, but hey it goes back to the $$$. If you make enough money that it doesnt really matter then more power to you. Enjoy!

 

[JBT]

Dubs, check em: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx680_review/8

That review is messed up. They don't state the clocks of the OC'ed 7970, and the "OCed' 7970 is slower than the stock card on some of the graphs

 

[aaksheytalwar]

And there are cases when the 7970 beats the crap out of a Oced 680. Lol. From what I can infer the 7970 is around 1250-1300 core

 

[aaksheytalwar]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2234512

Read this, overall there Is a tie for practical purposes. However, if you want to count 0.1% differences then 680 wins at stock but 7970 oc is better than 680 oc. Period. But the difference is more game dependent and overall irrelevant. Both tie for practical purposes

Read each line of that review before getting back

 

[Don Karnage]

And there are cases when the 7970 beats the crap out of a Oced 680. Lol. From what I can infer the 7970 is around 1250-1300 core

How many 7970s do you know that can hit those speeds? 1%?

680 is better and cheaper. End of discussion

 

[Makaveli]

Ppl is actually willing to lose ~150$ per card to pick another that averages 10% better performance and won't change their gameplay at all.

/thread

lol this

It makes no sense now does it !

 

[Golgatha]

lol this

It makes no sense now does it !

$150 is highly inflated. From my perspective, the introduction of the GTX 680 immediately knocked the competitive price of the 7970 down to $500 or less. Resell value also got knocked down by the same amount. Spending $50 more out of pocket to sidegrade/upgrade to the GTX 680 makes sense to me. Yes it sucks to have spent all that actual money, but to do the switch costs you around $50 in real money because the value of your 7970 isn't what it was when it was first released. $50 is typically chump change when you're in the market for $500-600 video cards. Also, 10% more money for 10% or more (once both are overclocked) performance seems to make a lot of sense if you want the best possible gaming experience available.

 

[Makaveli]

I'm not selling. My 7970 overclocks well (I still haven't seen an overclocked comparison between the 680 and 7970).

And it would cost me money to "upgrade" for extra performance I'm only going to see in benchmarks. I upgraded from a 5870 because my 7970 offered 2x the performance at stock. I won't be upgrading again until another single-GPU card offers near 2x the performance of my 7970.

I'll probably do a complete overhaul sometime in 2015. Console ports keep my rig more than powerful enough for any game I want to play.

Best review i've seen for overclocked numbers.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680.html

 

[Makaveli]

$150 is highly inflated. From my perspective, the introduction of the GTX 680 immediately knocked the competitive price of the 7970 down to $500 or less. Resell value also got knocked down by the same amount. Spending $50 more out of pocket to sidegrade/upgrade to the GTX 680 makes sense to me. Yes it sucks to have spent all that actual money, but to do the switch costs you around $50 in real money because the value of your 7970 isn't what it was when it was first released. $50 is typically chump change when you're in the market for $500-600 video cards. Also, 10% more money for 10% or more (once both are overclocked) performance seems to make a lot of sense if you want the best possible gaming experience available.

Good point but still seems like a side grade if you ask me even if the cost to me was only $50 to upgrade. I haven't seen any games that you can play with the 680 that you cannot play with the 7970.

 

[Axon]

That review is messed up. They don't state the clocks of the OC'ed 7970, and the "OCed' 7970 is slower than the stock card on some of the graphs

It's equivalent to his previous OC 7970, but yeah, you'd have to follow him to know how he operates. TTL is one of my favorites in the biz. I find my conclusions are always identical to his. Though in this case, it's basically the same conclusion everyone has.

 

[Meghan54]

680 is better and cheaper. End of discussion

Not quite.....how's the build quality of the 680 vs. the 7970? That must factor into the discussion of which one is the better choice for each individual person. If speed is your only concern, sure, the 680 is the only choice. If longevity is also a factor, then it's not quite so clear cut, is it?

 

[railven]

I'm actually enjoying my HD 7970! Unfortunately, I probably won't get my GTX 680 until tomorrow But at least I have the day off

I'm also hoping for a price cut on the HD 7970 soon so I can collect the difference. I'd probably get an SSD or an Accelero and see how high I can clock it.

 

[peonyu]

Not quite.....how's the build quality of the 680 vs. the 7970? That must factor into the discussion of which one is the better choice for each individual person. If speed is your only concern, sure, the 680 is the only choice. If longevity is also a factor, then it's not quite so clear cut, is it?

This is just my experience, but I have had a -

480 die on me due to VRM failure.
570 die to the same issue.
580 same deal.

0.25 volt increases on each on the core [miniscule increase + cards were well cooled], the 480 lasted a few months as did the 580. The 570 died in 1 day and checking the forums the 4 phase 570s are known to be buyer beware if you up the volts much at all. All three of those cards are basically the same family of cards though so Im not going to say ALL Nvidia cards were/are known for VRM failure, perhaps keplar has had more thought put into that area.

AMD cards I have never had one die on me, the build quality in my experience of a AMD card is like a rock whereas Nvidia is like a kitten. If my 7970 dies next month ill eat my words though.

 

[railven]

I don't think I've ever had a card die on me naturally. (knock on wood) I still have a GTX 9800+ going strong without any baking involved.

Only card I had that died prematuraly was due to water damage - HD 4870 X2. If that card had survived, I don't think I'd recommend anything but AMD/ATI to anyone haha.

 

[Phynaz]

Did you actually read it?

AMD and Nvidia have a common issue, Nvidia is just being outspoken about it.

What this slide states — we can’t even call it a suggestion — is that smaller processes no longer improve yields by leading to a greater number of chips per wafer. Instead, the complexities and difficulties of manufacturing at the new process create a cost structure that provides precious little incentive to manufacture at the new process.

What that slide states is it was created in 2006.

Draw conclusions from a six year old press slide at your own risk.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

This is just my experience, but I have had a -

480 die on me due to VRM failure.
570 die to the same issue.
580 same deal.

That's crazy, that's the first I've heard of a 480 dying due to vrms, reference 570 was commonplace for awhile, haven't heard much on the 580 either though.

The 570s were popping at over 900 core over stock voltage if I remember right.

And that would be one of the differences between AMD and Nvidia until now, AMD has had a hardlock on wattage for a long time.


5xxx series was TDP capped across the board, while 4 series from Nvidia, well not so much.

Overclocking was one of the big reasons to go Nvidia over AMD these last few generations, neither 5xxx nor 6xxx really overclocked well on avg, while the Nvidia counter-parts showed excellent overclocking, some cards more so than others.

 

[Quantos]

I don't know if AMD can actually lower prices, but if they can't, they're really in a deep pit here. Basically the only comment since the GTX680 came out is along the lines on "at current pricing, I'm buying a 680". That's not something AMD want to hear. It makes no sense to buy a 7970 at the moment.

Y u no lower prices, AMD?

 

[Lepton87]

Not quite.....how's the build quality of the 680 vs. the 7970? That must factor into the discussion of which one is the better choice for each individual person. If speed is your only concern, sure, the 680 is the only choice. If longevity is also a factor, then it's not quite so clear cut, is it?

The reference PCB of GTX680 is just impudent profiteering. The made a very small die to save cost yet they decided it's not enough, so they shaved 20$ on the PCB to increase already massive margins.

I don't know if AMD can actually lower prices, but if they can't, they're really in a deep pit here. Basically the only comment since the GTX680 came out is along the lines on "at current pricing, I'm buying a 680". That's not something AMD want to hear. It makes no sense to buy a 7970 at the moment.

In half the world 7970 is substantially cheaper than GTX680 so it's not so bad for AMD.

 

[BlockheadBrown]

I can't remember the last time a card died on me. That said, I would prefer a better quality build. Has anyone ever put together something that shows better longevity for certain cards/boards based on chip or manufacturer? Considering the relatively short life of video cards...

 

[Don Karnage]

This is just my experience, but I have had a -

480 die on me due to VRM failure.
570 die to the same issue.
580 same deal.

0.25 volt increases on each on the core [miniscule increase + cards were well cooled], the 480 lasted a few months as did the 580. The 570 died in 1 day and checking the forums the 4 phase 570s are known to be buyer beware if you up the volts much at all. All three of those cards are basically the same family of cards though so Im not going to say ALL Nvidia cards were/are known for VRM failure, perhaps keplar has had more thought put into that area.

AMD cards I have never had one die on me, the build quality in my experience of a AMD card is like a rock whereas Nvidia is like a kitten. If my 7970 dies next month ill eat my words though.

570s had the issue. Never heard of a 480 popping vrms as well as 580s. Maybe you just pushed them too hard.

I had 480s on water and they were fine at 900 core and 1.2v

 

[Grooveriding]

This is just my experience, but I have had a -

480 die on me due to VRM failure.
570 die to the same issue.
580 same deal.

0.25 volt increases on each on the core [miniscule increase + cards were well cooled], the 480 lasted a few months as did the 580. The 570 died in 1 day and checking the forums the 4 phase 570s are known to be buyer beware if you up the volts much at all. All three of those cards are basically the same family of cards though so Im not going to say ALL Nvidia cards were/are known for VRM failure, perhaps keplar has had more thought put into that area.

AMD cards I have never had one die on me, the build quality in my experience of a AMD card is like a rock whereas Nvidia is like a kitten. If my 7970 dies next month ill eat my words though.

I just had a 480 die on me with a VRM popping a few days ago. First death to VRM I've ever had. Turned on my rig, it powered up and before post powered right back down and burnt electronic stench filled the air.

Found the source of the smell to be one of my 480s, took it apart, the VRM was scorched and the thermal tape was burnt on the uppermost VRM cluster. Just got my RMA today, hoping they send me a 570 or 580 instead. That way I can actually keep the replacement and make some use of it. If it's another 480 it's getting sold like my other two just were

AMD cards in general seem to have a better PCB behind them, at least on the higher end cards. If you look at bare board shots you can see usually more phases and better components. Just look at the 680, lol, you can see where nvidia got the $50 undercut just looking at the 680's PCB.

 

[Golgatha]

Good point but still seems like a side grade if you ask me even if the cost to me was only $50 to upgrade. I haven't seen any games that you can play with the 680 that you cannot play with the 7970.

The 680 is enough faster that I plan to play with PhysX turned on in Batman and Alice, and still keep all the eye candy goodies turned on. The 10% extra performance in other games is just icing on the cake.

Also, there's the deserved dig about having day one WHQL drivers available for your flagship model video card, which also left a bad taste in my mouth. nVidia has them, AMD didn't, and the WHQL drivers they did finally release have more issues I've personally found than the Beta ones had.