AMDZen
Lifer
I was leaving a rather long post on this locked thread Here and didn't want to delete my reply after it got locked. So I will re-start the discussion here, where its supposed to be. Mainly just because I spent a few minutes typing this, and it has a lot of questions I wonder if people can give logical answer's to.
I'm not worried if there is a god, I don't think he is so vindictive and completely delusional that he would care about my ignorance so much that he would let me burn in hell for all eternity. I'm agnostic, and my definition of agnostic is that we pretty much don't care. There could be a god, or not - doesn't really matter. Until there is proof either way, why spend so much time worrying about something you cannot control.
In fact - if there is a god, I bet he laughs about the mess that we have made about hell. And about him too. Maybe Dante's Inferno got it right in that there are multiple "layers" if you will, of hell. But there certainly isn't an all "evil" place with demons and burning crimson, that this "god" decides to send all people - whether their rapist's, murderers, or non believers. So you expect me to believe that I, a mere mortal that lives life VERY Ethically, and has never done anything which HE considers to be sinful - would go to hell, as would Adolf Hilter. We would be side by side in our punishment? Simply because I chose not to follow a certain religion?
And now you wonder why logical thinkers thing religious people are crazy.
And what about the different faiths. You expect people to believe that Christians are all knowing? That they know Christ was the son of god and that the Jews and Muslims and everyone else is 100% wrong? And that you expect people to believe (logical thinkers) that this "god" would condemn these Jews to the same thing because they didn't get it 100% right?? LoL. I'm laughing simply thinking about it.
I'm not sure that everyone deserves what our concept of hell conveys, and yes this goes for people like Adolf Hilter as well as any one else. What about extenuating circumstances. What if Hilter really believed what he was doing was right?? He was obviously insane, so what degree does that insanity convey in what punishment should be carried out? What about people like the 9/11 bombers? Do I agree with what they did?? Hell no, I can only hope that they get punished in some way. But who am I to judge. If these people felt so strongly in what they did, and they believed they were doing god's will, who's fault is that really? And can God really make such descisions any way?
There are just too many questions to be asked. Too much that doesn't add up.
The only thing that I am sure of, is that every religion is wrong. Christianity is especially wrong, for my own personal reasons - thats simply what I believe. And Catholocism is the worst of the worst, well maybe not - but for how big they are, its the branch of Christianity which I actually feel resentment toward. To think that humans are so naive, as to be able to know what god wants. They have no clue. It makes me laugh, it really does.
God or not, all religions currently on this planet are wrong. Maybe bits and pieces are right, and I believe in following the moral fiber which the Bible conveys, but thats because it feels right in my mind - and not just my "heart". Killing people feel's wrong, simple as that. As for sex before marriage, people are naive. As for gay people being satan's spawn, people are beyond ignorant. As for believing that pigs are dirty animals in the eyes of god, and that we can't eat them - that it has to be blessed by a rabbi before you can eat it? God, well the Jews are just plain stupid if you ask me. Or their traditions are any way.
If something is so wrong, why did god create it for us? Pigs, MJ (the plant), women, sex, lust. Do you honestly believe that god gave us temptation, simply to see if we would pass "the test" or whatever it is? And if god is really such a vindictive "being", why should I care what he has layed out for me? Maybe Satan is a cool guy, maybe hell is the place you would rather be any way? For all the good things god didn't want you to have. The fact is there is no way to know.
I can just go on and on forever about this subject. So I'll stop now.
I'm not worried if there is a god, I don't think he is so vindictive and completely delusional that he would care about my ignorance so much that he would let me burn in hell for all eternity. I'm agnostic, and my definition of agnostic is that we pretty much don't care. There could be a god, or not - doesn't really matter. Until there is proof either way, why spend so much time worrying about something you cannot control.
In fact - if there is a god, I bet he laughs about the mess that we have made about hell. And about him too. Maybe Dante's Inferno got it right in that there are multiple "layers" if you will, of hell. But there certainly isn't an all "evil" place with demons and burning crimson, that this "god" decides to send all people - whether their rapist's, murderers, or non believers. So you expect me to believe that I, a mere mortal that lives life VERY Ethically, and has never done anything which HE considers to be sinful - would go to hell, as would Adolf Hilter. We would be side by side in our punishment? Simply because I chose not to follow a certain religion?
And now you wonder why logical thinkers thing religious people are crazy.
And what about the different faiths. You expect people to believe that Christians are all knowing? That they know Christ was the son of god and that the Jews and Muslims and everyone else is 100% wrong? And that you expect people to believe (logical thinkers) that this "god" would condemn these Jews to the same thing because they didn't get it 100% right?? LoL. I'm laughing simply thinking about it.
I'm not sure that everyone deserves what our concept of hell conveys, and yes this goes for people like Adolf Hilter as well as any one else. What about extenuating circumstances. What if Hilter really believed what he was doing was right?? He was obviously insane, so what degree does that insanity convey in what punishment should be carried out? What about people like the 9/11 bombers? Do I agree with what they did?? Hell no, I can only hope that they get punished in some way. But who am I to judge. If these people felt so strongly in what they did, and they believed they were doing god's will, who's fault is that really? And can God really make such descisions any way?
There are just too many questions to be asked. Too much that doesn't add up.
The only thing that I am sure of, is that every religion is wrong. Christianity is especially wrong, for my own personal reasons - thats simply what I believe. And Catholocism is the worst of the worst, well maybe not - but for how big they are, its the branch of Christianity which I actually feel resentment toward. To think that humans are so naive, as to be able to know what god wants. They have no clue. It makes me laugh, it really does.
God or not, all religions currently on this planet are wrong. Maybe bits and pieces are right, and I believe in following the moral fiber which the Bible conveys, but thats because it feels right in my mind - and not just my "heart". Killing people feel's wrong, simple as that. As for sex before marriage, people are naive. As for gay people being satan's spawn, people are beyond ignorant. As for believing that pigs are dirty animals in the eyes of god, and that we can't eat them - that it has to be blessed by a rabbi before you can eat it? God, well the Jews are just plain stupid if you ask me. Or their traditions are any way.
If something is so wrong, why did god create it for us? Pigs, MJ (the plant), women, sex, lust. Do you honestly believe that god gave us temptation, simply to see if we would pass "the test" or whatever it is? And if god is really such a vindictive "being", why should I care what he has layed out for me? Maybe Satan is a cool guy, maybe hell is the place you would rather be any way? For all the good things god didn't want you to have. The fact is there is no way to know.
I can just go on and on forever about this subject. So I'll stop now.
