People mailing to addresses in TF2 item promotions...

[Azeroth101]

Originally posted by: Fanatical Meat
Agreed steam is awesome, no need to keep CD's or activation codes. If I want to revisit an old game just reload it from steam and I'm good.

Also you can access your games from any computer connected to the internet, which helps out on new computers/multiple computers!

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I love Valve more and more. If only Steam wasn't an astronomically massive vortex of suck.

you're using it wrong


Steam is godsent

Steam works well for internet based MP games, but is a pain for single player games when you don't have a reliable internet connection. Impulse is a much better digital distribution system in those cases (since you don't need to have an internet connection to play any game). Offline mode is a joke, in that you can't set it when you actually need it (when your internet connection goes down), you can only set it while connected. I hope that gets fixed at some point, or hopefully already has since I haven't been paying attention to Steam for a while.

You can set offline mode in two ways. When you start Steam and your pc is connected to a router or cable modem, Steam will think there is an active internet connection and will try connecting for a while. Eventually it will ask you if you want to do offline mode. The other method is if you unplug your network cable from your pc, or just disable your network connection, Steam will instantly ask you if you want to play in offline mode.

The hate on Steam is a joke. It's the best thing to happen to PC gaming in years. I'm almost to the point where I would refuse to buy a game that isn't on Steam.

gag

Faith is non thinking, isn't it?

Steam is DRM

I like Steam and I have reasons for it. It's not faith. DRM aside(None of the security features of Steam have bothered me at all), Steam is to PCs as Xbox Live is to Xbox 360. There are many conveniences offered by Steam that are very useful to me.

*I can talk to friends via the Steam messenger while playing a full screen game. There is also chat room and voice chat features as well. These features are entirely game agnostic.
*I can see what games all of my buddies are playing, and even join the exact game server they are playing on with a click.
*I can access my library of games from any pc no matter where I am.
*I never have to worry about aging discs or losing CD keys. My game library is permanent.
*The Steam store is incredibly easy to use and very helpful for finding good games or cheap games(or both). Purchasing them is very quick and easy as well and it downloads directly onto my PC.
*All of my games get patched automatically.
*There's a sense of community. User pages, groups, achievements. It's all very fun.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I love Valve more and more. If only Steam wasn't an astronomically massive vortex of suck.

you're using it wrong


Steam is godsent

Steam works well for internet based MP games, but is a pain for single player games when you don't have a reliable internet connection. Impulse is a much better digital distribution system in those cases (since you don't need to have an internet connection to play any game). Offline mode is a joke, in that you can't set it when you actually need it (when your internet connection goes down), you can only set it while connected. I hope that gets fixed at some point, or hopefully already has since I haven't been paying attention to Steam for a while.

You can set offline mode in two ways. When you start Steam and your pc is connected to a router or cable modem, Steam will think there is an active internet connection and will try connecting for a while. Eventually it will ask you if you want to do offline mode. The other method is if you unplug your network cable from your pc, or just disable your network connection, Steam will instantly ask you if you want to play in offline mode.

The hate on Steam is a joke. It's the best thing to happen to PC gaming in years. I'm almost to the point where I would refuse to buy a game that isn't on Steam.

gag

Faith is non thinking, isn't it?

Steam is DRM

I like Steam and I have reasons for it. It's not faith. DRM aside(None of the security features of Steam have bothered me at all), Steam is to PCs as Xbox Live is to Xbox 360. There are many conveniences offered by Steam that are very useful to me.

*I can talk to friends via the Steam messenger while playing a full screen game. There is also chat room and voice chat features as well. These features are entirely game agnostic.
*I can see what games all of my buddies are playing, and even join the exact game server they are playing on with a click.
*I can access my library of games from any pc no matter where I am.
*I never have to worry about aging discs or losing CD keys. My game library is permanent.
*The Steam store is incredibly easy to use and very helpful for finding good games or cheap games(or both). Purchasing them is very quick and easy as well and it downloads directly onto my PC.
*All of my games get patched automatically.
*There's a sense of community. User pages, groups, achievements. It's all very fun.

Plus, Steam allows you to backup all your games. The utility will even split it up across CDs or DVDs if you want and when you restore the backup you can choose which games you want to reinstall.

I also like that in TF2 I can queue up for a server so that when a slot opens up I will automatically leave my current game and join. The entire integration with the internet is great. I especially liked the ability to join the same games as friends when I sign on.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

I also like that in TF2 I can queue up for a server so that when a slot opens up I will automatically leave my current game and join. The entire integration with the internet is great. I especially liked the ability to join the same games as friends when I sign on.

How? And does it also deal with reserved slot servers?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I love Valve more and more. If only Steam wasn't an astronomically massive vortex of suck.

you're using it wrong


Steam is godsent

Steam works well for internet based MP games, but is a pain for single player games when you don't have a reliable internet connection. Impulse is a much better digital distribution system in those cases (since you don't need to have an internet connection to play any game). Offline mode is a joke, in that you can't set it when you actually need it (when your internet connection goes down), you can only set it while connected. I hope that gets fixed at some point, or hopefully already has since I haven't been paying attention to Steam for a while.

You can set offline mode in two ways. When you start Steam and your pc is connected to a router or cable modem, Steam will think there is an active internet connection and will try connecting for a while. Eventually it will ask you if you want to do offline mode. The other method is if you unplug your network cable from your pc, or just disable your network connection, Steam will instantly ask you if you want to play in offline mode.

The hate on Steam is a joke. It's the best thing to happen to PC gaming in years. I'm almost to the point where I would refuse to buy a game that isn't on Steam.

gag

Faith is non thinking, isn't it?

Steam is DRM

I like Steam and I have reasons for it. It's not faith. DRM aside(None of the security features of Steam have bothered me at all), Steam is to PCs as Xbox Live is to Xbox 360. There are many conveniences offered by Steam that are very useful to me.

*I can talk to friends via the Steam messenger while playing a full screen game. There is also chat room and voice chat features as well. These features are entirely game agnostic.
*I can see what games all of my buddies are playing, and even join the exact game server they are playing on with a click.
*I can access my library of games from any pc no matter where I am.
*I never have to worry about aging discs or losing CD keys. My game library is permanent.
*The Steam store is incredibly easy to use and very helpful for finding good games or cheap games(or both). Purchasing them is very quick and easy as well and it downloads directly onto my PC.
*All of my games get patched automatically.
*There's a sense of community. User pages, groups, achievements. It's all very fun.

i see you have written your own holy steam bible also for your community of sheep
- nothing is permanent .. except the following statement:

Faith IS non-thinking
- thank-you!!

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha

I also like that in TF2 I can queue up for a server so that when a slot opens up I will automatically leave my current game and join. The entire integration with the internet is great. I especially liked the ability to join the same games as friends when I sign on.

How? And does it also deal with reserved slot servers?

I can't recall exactly, but when you try to join a server that is full, go to the server details menu and from there you can find a button that will take you to the interface to queue up. It's a great feature because I do not have too many servers out here that I can get a good ping on (and only two or three with predominantly English speakers) so I usually have to wait to get into my favorite servers.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you have written your own holy steam bible also for your community of sheep
- nothing is permanent .. except the following statement:

Faith IS non-thinking
- thank-you!!

You're awfully caustic. Steam certainly has issues, but you needn't be so dismissive of positive reactions. A friendly reminder that Steam, like anything, is transient -- that's one thing. But to label all of its users as "sheep" simply because they recognize the value added by Steam, despite the dangers inherent in its DRM scheme, is a little out of line. Yours is a zealous tone, more even than those you disparage.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you have written your own holy steam bible also for your community of sheep
- nothing is permanent .. except the following statement:

Faith IS non-thinking
- thank-you!!

You're awfully caustic. Steam certainly has issues, but you needn't be so dismissive of positive reactions. A friendly reminder that Steam, like anything, is transient -- that's one thing. But to label all of its users as "sheep" simply because they recognize the value added by Steam, despite the dangers inherent in its DRM scheme, is a little out of line. Yours is a zealous tone, more even than those you disparage.

Reasoning with him is impossible. He has made it abundantly clear that he is incapable of having an intelligent discussion. He thinks that he is right and everyone else is wrong(and also stupid) and nothing will change his thoughts on that despite the numerous very well thought out and backed up arguments of his opposition.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha

I also like that in TF2 I can queue up for a server so that when a slot opens up I will automatically leave my current game and join. The entire integration with the internet is great. I especially liked the ability to join the same games as friends when I sign on.

How? And does it also deal with reserved slot servers?

I can't recall exactly, but when you try to join a server that is full, go to the server details menu and from there you can find a button that will take you to the interface to queue up. It's a great feature because I do not have too many servers out here that I can get a good ping on (and only two or three with predominantly English speakers) so I usually have to wait to get into my favorite servers.

Ah, allright.

Wish that would help me, but all the servers I like to play on run the reserved slot thing, so they're almost never actually full - but you don't get in unless there are 3 open slots.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you have written your own holy steam bible also for your community of sheep
- nothing is permanent .. except the following statement:

Faith IS non-thinking
- thank-you!!

You're awfully caustic. Steam certainly has issues, but you needn't be so dismissive of positive reactions. A friendly reminder that Steam, like anything, is transient -- that's one thing. But to label all of its users as "sheep" simply because they recognize the value added by Steam, despite the dangers inherent in its DRM scheme, is a little out of line. Yours is a zealous tone, more even than those you disparage.

Reasoning with him is impossible. He has made it abundantly clear that he is incapable of having an intelligent discussion. He thinks that he is right and everyone else is wrong(and also stupid) and nothing will change his thoughts on that despite the numerous very well thought out and backed up arguments of his opposition.

That is what everyone says about you.

Stop telling me i have to love steam like you do - there is no "argument" you can make to me;
- i have ALREADY had *horrible experiences* with Steam. i am just pointing out that your sig works both ways and you have a pretty huge blind spot.

The definition of "steam":
"a drip under pressure"

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin
i see you have written your own holy steam bible also for your community of sheep
- nothing is permanent .. except the following statement:

Faith IS non-thinking
- thank-you!!

You're awfully caustic. Steam certainly has issues, but you needn't be so dismissive of positive reactions. A friendly reminder that Steam, like anything, is transient -- that's one thing. But to label all of its users as "sheep" simply because they recognize the value added by Steam, despite the dangers inherent in its DRM scheme, is a little out of line. Yours is a zealous tone, more even than those you disparage.

Reasoning with him is impossible. He has made it abundantly clear that he is incapable of having an intelligent discussion. He thinks that he is right and everyone else is wrong(and also stupid) and nothing will change his thoughts on that despite the numerous very well thought out and backed up arguments of his opposition.

That is what everyone says about you.

Stop telling me i have to love steam like you do - there is no "argument" you can make to me;
- i have ALREADY had *horrible experiences* with Steam. i am just pointing out that your sig works both ways and you have a pretty huge blind spot.

The definition of "steam":
"a drip under pressure"

Hardly.

My position isn't even close to as extreme or as blind as yours is. I'm not the one calling anyone who likes Steam a sheep. I don't recall telling anyone they had to love Steam either. I gave reasons for why I like Steam and that is all. All you've done is say you don't like Steam and anyone who does like Steam isn't thinking.

I'm sorry you've had horrible experiences, but you should know better than to use an exceptional experience that is clearly not the norm to place judgement on something and tell everyone else how bad it is because of that one experience.

I don't like Steam just for the sake of liking it; I've given factual reasons for why I like it(Precisely why it isn't faith). I used to not like the idea of having a program tied to my games. After seeing what it's all about, I decided it has quite a good number of useful features that change it from something I would rather not have to something I rather would have.

 

[Pollock]

Well, I like Steam. It's convenient in so many ways, and I can't see Valve going anywhere for many years. I mean, how can I not like a company that consistently updates my favorite game, TF2?

 

[apoppin]

My position isn't even close to as extreme or as blind as yours is. I'm not the one calling anyone who likes Steam a sheep. I don't recall telling anyone they had to love Steam either. I gave reasons for why I like Steam and that is all. All you've done is say you don't like Steam and anyone who does like Steam isn't thinking.

I'm sorry you've had horrible experiences, but you should know better than to use an exceptional experience that is clearly not the norm to place judgement on something and tell everyone else how bad it is because of that one experience.

I don't like Steam just for the sake of liking it; I've given factual reasons for why I like it(Precisely why it isn't faith). I used to not like the idea of having a program tied to my games. After seeing what it's all about, I decided it has quite a good number of useful features that change it from something I would rather not have to something I rather would have.

You are EXtreme and you insist i fall in-line with your views about your "godsend"
. . . and i have done *exactly* the same thing you have done - from the opposite PoV
.. you *say* it is not faith

i just don't believe

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha

I also like that in TF2 I can queue up for a server so that when a slot opens up I will automatically leave my current game and join. The entire integration with the internet is great. I especially liked the ability to join the same games as friends when I sign on.

How? And does it also deal with reserved slot servers?

I can't recall exactly, but when you try to join a server that is full, go to the server details menu and from there you can find a button that will take you to the interface to queue up. It's a great feature because I do not have too many servers out here that I can get a good ping on (and only two or three with predominantly English speakers) so I usually have to wait to get into my favorite servers.

Ah, allright.

Wish that would help me, but all the servers I like to play on run the reserved slot thing, so they're almost never actually full - but you don't get in unless there are 3 open slots.

I've never tried it on a server with reserve slots before. I would think that it would be something that could be coded in since the server will ping back the fact that you can't get in due to a reserve.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin

My position isn't even close to as extreme or as blind as yours is. I'm not the one calling anyone who likes Steam a sheep. I don't recall telling anyone they had to love Steam either. I gave reasons for why I like Steam and that is all. All you've done is say you don't like Steam and anyone who does like Steam isn't thinking.

I'm sorry you've had horrible experiences, but you should know better than to use an exceptional experience that is clearly not the norm to place judgement on something and tell everyone else how bad it is because of that one experience.

I don't like Steam just for the sake of liking it; I've given factual reasons for why I like it(Precisely why it isn't faith). I used to not like the idea of having a program tied to my games. After seeing what it's all about, I decided it has quite a good number of useful features that change it from something I would rather not have to something I rather would have.

You are EXtreme and you insist i fall in-line with your views about your "godsend"
. . . and i have done *exactly* the same thing you have done - from the opposite PoV
.. you *say* it is not faith

i just don't believe

Wow, please shut up. You don't even read what you're responding to.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin

My position isn't even close to as extreme or as blind as yours is. I'm not the one calling anyone who likes Steam a sheep. I don't recall telling anyone they had to love Steam either. I gave reasons for why I like Steam and that is all. All you've done is say you don't like Steam and anyone who does like Steam isn't thinking.

I'm sorry you've had horrible experiences, but you should know better than to use an exceptional experience that is clearly not the norm to place judgement on something and tell everyone else how bad it is because of that one experience.

I don't like Steam just for the sake of liking it; I've given factual reasons for why I like it(Precisely why it isn't faith). I used to not like the idea of having a program tied to my games. After seeing what it's all about, I decided it has quite a good number of useful features that change it from something I would rather not have to something I rather would have.

You are EXtreme and you insist i fall in-line with your views about your "godsend"
. . . and i have done *exactly* the same thing you have done - from the opposite PoV
.. you *say* it is not faith

i just don't believe

Wow, please shut up. You don't even read what you're responding to.

apoppin is a product of the cesspool that is the Video forum. It would be advisable to just find the ignore posts script that was floating around a year or two back.

 

[apoppin]

It would be advisable to just find the ignore posts script that was floating around a year or two back.

Please link me; i'd like one for you

Giving a Minority Report is always this way when you deal with rabid fans. i have had very bad personal experiences with Steam and it appears that i am not the only one

The majority cannot drown out the voices that dissent by ridicule - especially since there is factual basis for our complaints

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin

It would be advisable to just find the ignore posts script that was floating around a year or two back.

Giving a Minority Report is always this way when you deal with rabid fans. i have had very bad personal experiences with Steam and it appears that i am not the only one

The majority cannot drown out the voices that dissent by ridicule - especially since there is factual basis for our complaints

I don't see anyone disputing that you've had a poor experience with Steam. Nobody's called you a liar. Nobody's trying to make you change your mind or use it, except maybe by offering solutions for some of your complaints. You just keep riding people who like it and then play the martyr when people call you on your belligerent attitude. Steam has issues that people have openly acknowledged. The point is that some of us agree with the points you raise but are willing to use the service anyway. It's understood -- you don't like Steam, others do. Give it up and exit thread please.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin

It would be advisable to just find the ignore posts script that was floating around a year or two back.

Giving a Minority Report is always this way when you deal with rabid fans. i have had very bad personal experiences with Steam and it appears that i am not the only one

The majority cannot drown out the voices that dissent by ridicule - especially since there is factual basis for our complaints

I don't see anyone disputing that you've had a poor experience with Steam. Nobody's called you a liar. Nobody's trying to make you change your mind or use it, except maybe by offering solutions for some of your complaints. You just keep riding people who like it and then play the martyr when people call you on your belligerent attitude. Steam has issues that people have openly acknowledged. The point is that some of us agree with the points you raise but are willing to use the service anyway. It's understood -- you don't like Steam, others do. Give it up and exit thread please.

Why don't you take your own advice?

What are you doing that is any different that what i am doing? i am giving my PoV in *response* to other.

If you stop talking to me i will stop responding to you.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Why don't you take your own advice?

What are you doing that is any different that what i am doing? i am giving my PoV in *response* to other.

I am not taking the "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" line of reasoning when addressing your acerbic spew, nor do I talk down to your actual points -- on the rare occasions you make them -- despite your inelegant style of discourse. I try to take the time to actually read the posts I respond to. I feel no need to degrade or convert those who disagree politely with sound reasoning. I acknowledge and, on some level, agree with the root of your actual argument, even if I disagree with your ultimate conclusions and my own usage is testament enough to that; the circus act is unnecessary.

That's the difference.


As for TF2, I continue to appreciate the updates, videos, and advertising effort they put into promoting the game. Most of the time I'm put off by release hype, but Valve continues to get it right if you ask me. Finally got on last night and got some of the new items... the game remains appreciably fresh.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin
Why don't you take your own advice?

What are you doing that is any different that what i am doing? i am giving my PoV in *response* to other.

I am not taking the "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" line of reasoning when addressing your acerbic spew, nor do I talk down to your actual points -- on the rare occasions you make them -- despite your inelegant style of discourse. I try to take the time to actually read the posts I respond to. I feel no need to degrade or convert those who disagree politely with sound reasoning. I acknowledge and, on some level, agree with the root of your actual argument, even if I disagree with your ultimate conclusions and my own usage is testament enough to that; the circus act is unnecessary.

so why do you keep on addressing me? You are coming across pretty self-righteous and saying nothing of substance.

And what happened too your argument this time? You don't do it my way, that is pretty clear; so what?
- it is all your *opinion*

What is the big deal that people mailing to promotion addresses are getting responses?

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin
so why do you keep on addressing me? You are coming across pretty self-righteous and saying nothing of substance.

And what happened too your argument this time? You don't do it my way, that is pretty clear; so what?
- it is all your *opinion*

What is the big deal that people mailing to promotion addresses are getting responses?

I address you because I feel compelled to respond, as anyone does when they post. What's your point? My beef is with your off-the-cuff remarks to anyone who ever has anything positive to say about Steam. I believe I've been perfectly clear how I feel about the way you contribute to these threads, and my opinion has been the substance of my replies. I've not claimed anything else. I have no interest in suppressing your opinion either, but I take issue with the way you present it and confront others in the forum. That's all, and I've said as much already so I won't bother repeating myself.

I do genuinely apologize for the thread derail. I've tried to make on-topic comments. This will be my last divergence with you.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin
so why do you keep on addressing me? You are coming across pretty self-righteous and saying nothing of substance.

And what happened too your argument this time? You don't do it my way, that is pretty clear; so what?
- it is all your *opinion*

What is the big deal that people mailing to promotion addresses are getting responses?

I address you because I feel compelled to respond, as anyone does when they post. What's your point? My beef is with your off-the-cuff remarks to anyone who ever has anything positive to say about Steam. I believe I've been perfectly clear how I feel about the way you contribute to these threads, and my opinion has been the substance of my replies. I've not claimed anything else. I have no interest in suppressing your opinion either, but I take issue with the way you present it and confront others in the forum. That's all, and I've said as much already so I won't bother repeating myself.

I do genuinely apologize for the thread derail. I've tried to make on-topic comments. This will be my last divergence with you.

i will hold you to it.

My last comment was completely ON topic and you ignored it completely in favor of your ridiculous hypocritical diatribe directed at me *because* i take the opposite PoV from you

You don't like the "way" i put things; that is *exactly* how i feel about you.

i will repeat myself - to others:
What is the big deal that people mailing to promotion addresses are getting responses?
- that is just good PR - something Steam excels in

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i will repeat myself - to others:
What is the big deal that people mailing to promotion addresses are getting responses?
- that is just good PR - something Steam excels in

The big deal is that Valve has taken a creative approach to PR that actively engages the customer in order to generate interest. It goes beyond press releases and rigging reviews at IGN; they've crafted an image for their product and managed to surprise a few interested parties who decided to see how far Valve would go with maintaining that image through their advertisement. Most companies do not go to these lengths, so just as it promotes the game, it also shows that Valve cares about its user base.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: apoppin
i will repeat myself - to others:
What is the big deal that people mailing to promotion addresses are getting responses?
- that is just good PR - something Steam excels in

The big deal is that Valve has taken a creative approach to PR that actively engages the customer in order to generate interest. It goes beyond press releases and rigging reviews at IGN; they've crafted an image for their product and managed to surprise a few interested parties who decided to see how far Valve would go with maintaining that image through their advertisement. Most companies do not go to these lengths, so just as it promotes the game, it also shows that Valve cares about its user base.

So does AMD; we follow their employees and officials on Twitter and they answer our questions
- every company *should* care about their customers; i don't see anything "special" here