People grow up and stop believing in Santa Claus

[Sclamoz]

You best reopen that Bible It clearly says to take away from the beast 2x what you put in . I am doing exactly that. As Instructed by scripture Oh and usery is absolutly forbidden

The modern bible is full of mistranslations and alterations from the original form, how do you know what you are being told by the bible is accurate?

 

[ebaycj]

Missing the point of all that. Those crazy specific codes/rules were given to show us that God requires perfection, and the kind of perfection he requires is not attainable by us.
Same with the Amalek thing. Why do you think he told them to spare nothing? Because he requires purity. This is also why they had to sacrifice for all their sins-- so that it would be ingrained into their lives and minds that sin requires a payment-- a heft one-- the giving of life. It had to be a spotless lamb sacrificed to signify the need for a perfect sacrifice that could cover not itself but someone who had sinned, if the sinner's life was to continue and the sinner was to be in a relationship with God.

Man, I really feel sorry for you. Obviously fairly smart, yet completely retarded at the same time.

 

[ebaycj]

re-read my post and previous posts, I've explained the inconsistency a few times.

Your "inconsistency" assumes that humans cannot logically deduce their own moral code.

Your "inconsistency" is false.

 

[ebaycj]

You believe your fairy tells It matters not to me . Billions are going to die this time . This next alinment is special and our scientist can confirm this . But thats were I stop . Its not given that you should know more, Basicly most of ya are toast. Oh . I guess your allowed to know about THE ONE the anti christ , He is what the decievers have instore for you all 12/21 /12 is going to be really differant . The ONE will declare himself as GOD . So let him who has wisdom understand the symbol or number of the beast.

Please, everyone set a reminder in their calendar, to PM Nemesis1 on 12/22/2012, and let him know he was wrong.

 

[soccerballtux]

bolded, once again.

mass genocide-- you forget that this is what we all deserve. None of us deserve to see the beauty of autumn or enjoy the companionship of a lover.

human nature-- "animal instincts" do not explain the atrocities committed by Mao, Mussolini, other evil men.
People still can't make any logically consistent claim that these people shouldn't act in such a way-- yet everyone still does. In atheism, there is no foundation for such a thing as morality.

 

[Lonbjerg]

The modern bible is full of mistranslations and alterations from the original form, how do you know what you are being told by the bible is accurate?

Its way worse than that.
Not only did the church cut out +20 gospels (becuse the church thought those gosples where to hard to sell), people also ignore the history of Babylonian, Sumerian and Assyrian myths being rewritten into judasim, the most know example is the plagiarsm of this myth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra

Its old lies being rewritten into new lies...and still I am supposed to respect ignorance?

 

[soccerballtux]

I don't know what most protestants are up to, but Catholics are still supposed to pray and do good works.

Muslims do it to cleanse their conscience of guilt-- and good works can't do this.
Catholics and Christians do it because it is the nature of Christ and the goal is not to "be good enough to be let into heaven" (like the Muslims) it is to spread the love of and goodness of God's character everywhere so that more people may come to know him.

 

[Sclamoz]

mass genocide-- you forget that this is what we all deserve. None of us deserve to see the beauty of autumn or enjoy the companionship of a lover.

human nature-- "animal instincts" do not explain the atrocities committed by Mao, Mussolini, other evil men.
People still can't make any logically consistent claim that these people shouldn't act in such a way-- yet everyone still does. In atheism, there is no foundation for such a thing as morality.

How do you explain away the atrocities committed by religions?

Atheism doesn't have a moral code, but atheists do.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Why are you seperating Catholics from Christians . . Thats just a question . You Do understand The books choosen for New testment still came from Rome. I haven't found Christians yet . and I been looking harder than anyone for fact.

 

[ebaycj]

You think you're so much smarter than a person with a PhD in theology that you, some random internet self-proclaimed knowledgeable accuser, can disprove the Bible with a few posts?

There should be NOBODY with a Ph.D. in Theology.

Because Ph. stands for Physical, and theology has nothing to do with anything physical, anywhere, ever.

 

[fantolay]

Doesn't matter what you believe. The world is going to end in 2012.

 

[soccerballtux]

- Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief.
Not quite sure what this one is getting at. Distinctions between what? Right and wrong, or the individual concepts of morality which people have? Oh well. Moving along...

There is no basis for morality, right, and wrong in atheism. Obviously not all of nihilism (such as having to destroy everything or whatever you were saying to progress) is like atheism. But the parts about morality, is the point I am trying to make. There is no rational basis for morality in atheism by which an atheist can argue why I should not become a mass murderer.

Right, except for like, thousands of other religions and creation myths that humanity's come up with throughout the years. Hell, Buddhism has a nice philosophy on the cessation of suffering - and it's nice enough to not brainwash its followers that you're somehow inherently bad and evil and sinful and all that other BS.


And of course, you know, a guy who was God and who was also God's son, who had to be born from a human mother, raised here, thn he dies horribly.....somehow that's part of the recipe for Sin Cleanser 2000. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. But, I digress.

If what the bible/Christianity says is true, then informing people of this state is the most loving thing we can do for them-- because only by repenting of our sinful nature and selfish (desiring our way to the detriment of others-- there is nothing wrong with desiring that which makes us happy) tendencies, can we come to the life of love and fulfillment we were meant for. In trashing God, we exchange what can ultimately fill us for a hollow, unsatisfying replacement-- the replacement being our own shallow understanding of what will make us completely satisfied.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Its way worse than that.
Not only did the church cut out +20 gospels (becuse the church thought those gosples where to hard to sell), people also ignore the history of Babylonian, Sumerian and Assyrian myths being rewritten into judasim, the most know example is the plagiarsm of this myth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra

Its old lies being rewritten into new lies...and still I am supposed to respect ignorance?

How about that something you and I can Agree upon .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Doesn't matter what you believe. The world is going to end in 2012.

No its not.

 

[soccerballtux]

How do you explain away the atrocities committed by religions?

Islam? The Quran tells them to convert the world, and if they don't, kill.
Buddhism? They don't commit atrocities. China loves Buddhists. They (China) hate Muslims though.
Christianity? The crusades were a reaction against the militarist Islamic pressures on the Catholic Church. They conquered as far as southern Spain before the church drew the line! The Catholic church was *just a little concerned* about this, and sinfully misused the Bible to justify their "holy war" against the Muslims. If they had stopped at defense they would have been fine...but attacking like they did-- you cannot justify this by anything Christ said.

Atheism doesn't have a moral code, but atheists do.

Yes they do I agree, but they are not consistent with their atheism in holding this moral code. If they were consistent with their atheism, they would admit there is no moral code that they can command others to follow-- only one that they personally prefer, and that they can enforce by force (because the police have the power to deter you from killing).

 

[ebaycj]

Nihilism _is_ atheism taken to the _logical conclusion_. IE, lets assume that we had a big bang and we evolved to what we are now-- Nihilism is the only logical conclusion.

It's the only logical conclusion if you remove humans' caring for themselves, and for other humans (which, by the way, did NOT come from god or God or GOD).

[Self Interest (in my wellbeing)] + [Interest in the others (and their wellbeing)] = [Society]

If you can't see that, you're blind.

 

[soccerballtux]

There should be NOBODY with a Ph.D. in Theology.

Because Ph. stands for Physical, and theology has nothing to do with anything physical, anywhere, ever.

Sorry my terminology might be wrong? Doctorate? I don't know.

 

[soccerballtux]

It's the only logical conclusion if you remove humans' caring for themselves, and for other humans (which, by the way, did NOT come from god or God or GOD).

[Self Interest (in my wellbeing)] + [Interest in the others (and their wellbeing)] = [Society]

If you can't see that, you're blind.

Why does self interest or interest in others matter? So our genes can pass on? So our society can continue to exist? That does not matter. We have no reason to exist. Only an unexplained (by atheism) desire to.

In Christianity, our reason to exist is to know God's goodness, enjoy him, and make him known to others.

 

[fskimospy]

There is no basis for morality, right, and wrong in atheism. Obviously not all of nihilism (such as having to destroy everything or whatever you were saying to progress) is like atheism. But the parts about morality, is the point I am trying to make. There is no rational basis for morality in atheism by which an atheist can argue why I should not become a mass murderer.

That is absurdly false. How could you be so massively ignorant to believe something like that?

Morality is simply a belief system that tells you what is right and what is wrong. These do not need to have supernatural or cosmic origins, they can have an origin in what you personally feel, in what you think is best for society, anything.

You are making Christians look pretty bad in this thread.

 

[fskimospy]

Why does self interest or interest in others matter? So our genes can pass on? So our society can continue to exist? That does not matter. We have no reason to exist. Only an unexplained (by atheism) desire to.

In Christianity, our reason to exist is to know God's goodness, enjoy him, and make him known to others.

You just explained it yourself, we have a desire to exist. That's a reason in and of itself. How is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[Nemesis 1]

The modern bible is full of mistranslations and alterations from the original form, how do you know what you are being told by the bible is accurate?

Well first off You have to read whats left of the other gosphels . Ya need to read enoch First. Than the Book of adam and eve 1&2 . Than You have to Find out about Lilith read the lies and the trueth . It was Lilith who stopped me from enterring into the light . She turned me back But she did tell me that holy name. I threw will power did leave this earth . At the time I didn't understand why I wanted to leave I was only 4 But now I do . My free will was interferred with . I am not pleased with my destiny

 

[totalnoob]

That does not matter. We have no reason to exist. Only an unexplained (by atheism) desire to.

Atheism does not explain it because atheism IS NOT A BELIEF SYSTEM. IT IS NOT A SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY. You've got to get this through your head buddy. There are kind atheists and asshole atheists. There are capitalist atheists and communist atheists. There are those who favor reason and those who favor emotionalism. There are those with a deep respect for individual freedom, and those willing to trample on others in pursuit of blind hedonism. Every person has the capacity to develop a rational moral code (or fail to do so). One's opinion on supernatural myths has no influence on this process.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There should be NOBODY with a Ph.D. in Theology.

Because Ph. stands for Physical, and theology has nothing to do with anything physical, anywhere, ever.

Self ownage FTW!

philosophiæ doctor.

Look it up.

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[Nemesis 1]

Wrong quote

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[soccerballtux]

Atheism does not explain it because atheism IS NOT A BELIEF SYSTEM. IT IS NOT A SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY. You've got to get this through your head buddy. There are kind atheists and asshole atheists. There are capitalist atheists and communist atheists. There are those who favor reason and those who favor emotionalism. There are those with a deep respect for individual freedom, and those willing to trample on others in pursuit of blind hedonism. Every person has the capacity to develop a rational moral code (or fail to do so). One's opinion on supernatural myths has no influence on this process.

Thank you!! You're proving my point!

In other words, if society decides it's ok to kill your children before the age of 10 if you get sick of them, then it's ok. This post is for you too, eskimo. It's all relative. You have no right to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to torture and subsequently kill you.