People are FVCKED UP!

Brutuskend

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Mistrial in Case of Girl's Severed Arms
By JULIA GLICK, Associated Press Writer
20 minutes ago

McKINNEY, Texas - A judge declared a mistrial Saturday in the murder trial of a woman accused of fatally cutting the arms off her 10-month-old daughter.

Jurors deadlocked during the fourth day of deliberations in the case of Dena Schlosser, 37, who pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.

"There was heated discussion, and tempers flared in the jury room," said juror Chris Penn as he left court. "It was a long ordeal, very tiring."

Attorneys confirmed a split of 10-2 in favor of a verdict of not guilty by reason of insanity. Penn said jurors argued "forcefully" trying to change the mind of one man, who wrote in a court note that he had made up his mind about Schlosser the first day of deliberations. Another juror could not decide, Penn added.

Prosecutors would not comment on whether they would retry the case.

Defense Attorney David Haynes said the case likely will be tried again. He added Schlosser and the defense were disappointed with the result.

"We knew this was going to be a very hard case when we started out," he said. "Hopefully, we will carry the day next time."

Police arrested Schlosser in November 2004 after finding her baby Margaret, known as Maggie, dying in her crib, and Schlosser covered in blood, holding a knife and listening to a hymn.

The prosecution argued that she knew what she was doing, showing the jury grisly photos of the dead baby and emphasizing several witnesses' observations of Schlosser as a healthy, seemingly sane mother.

But psychiatrists testifying for the defense told jurors of multiple psychotic episodes Schlosser detailed to them. One doctor said Schlosser told him she felt commanded by God to cut off Maggie's arms, followed by her own limbs and head. Schlosser had a deep cut on her shoulder when police found her.

The jury said on the second day of deliberations that it was deadlocked, but the judge ordered them to continue.

Jurors requested numerous rereadings of testimony, with one juror even asking Judge Chris Oldner to define the term "deliberation" and the precise role of a juror. Attorneys on both sides said they have never heard of such requests.

Schlosser's husband, John Schlosser has filed for divorce and has custody of the family's other two children.

Schlosser's former stepfather, Bob Nicholas, testified, then sat through the trial and waited out the deliberations.

"It has been a very emotional experience for myself and family members," he said, holding back tears as he left court Saturday. "I can say that it has not ended yet."

Dr. William Reid had testified that people close to Schlosser had missed obvious signs of severe mental illness.

John Schlosser, said he wasn't alarmed when his wife said after church the day before the killing that she wanted to "give the baby to God." He said she appeared normal after he calmed her down, and he thought her mental condition had improved over the past few months.

The summer before Maggie died, Schlosser abandoned Maggie and her other two children by running away from the family's apartment. She was found two miles away by Plano police and released from a hospital less than 24 hours later.

The Schlosser family went several times a week to the Water of Life Church. The pastor, Doyle Davidson, testified that he believes mental illness is possession by demons and only God can cure it.

Dena Schlosser, who was diagnosed with postpartum psychosis after Maggie's birth, didn't take medication or see a doctor in the four months before the killing.

After her arrest, Dena Schlosser was diagnosed with manic depression and declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. But in May, after doctors treated her, a judge found she was competent.

Prosecutors said the defense improperly blamed Schlosser's husband, church, social workers and others for her actions.

"Were all these entities failing when Dena Schlosser walked into the kitchen, bypassed the small knife and chose the instrument of death?" Assistant District Attorney Bill Dobiyanski said as he displayed the bloody kitchen knife.

 

Kenazo

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That is awful. how messed up must someone be in the head to do that to someone?
 

Yossarian

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insanity is the biggest crock of BS of all time. I don't care what your state of mind was, if you did the crime you should pay.
 

The Godfather

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How can you do that to someone? Let alone your own blood, your own daughter? What did she do it for?

Why didn't she just kill her quickly, but had to cut off her arms?
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: Yossarian
insanity is the biggest crock of BS of all time. I don't care what your state of mind was, if you did the crime you should pay.

I agree. she did it, she should be sentenced for it.
 
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the attitude like those of the ignorant posters in the first few responses is why this will keep hppening...you cant keep killing 'insane' people. They need help and instead we should be focusing on how to spot individuals with problems so we can help them, not killingeveryone that seems to have a problem.
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the attitude like those of the ignorant posters in the first few responses is why this will keep hppening...you cant keep killing 'insane' people. They need help and instead we should be focusing on how to spot individuals with problems, not shooting everyone that seems to have a problem.

The "help" they get makes them crazier. Locking you up in a room with no windows, medicine everyday, locked away from the rest of society doesn't help you. Their motive isn't to make you better. Its just another excuse to lock you away because you're a danger to society. It would be improper to put a person like that in prison, so they make a facility that serves the same purpose, but doesn't raise any questions.
 
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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the attitude like those of the ignorant posters in the first few responses is why this will keep hppening...you cant keep killing 'insane' people. They need help and instead we should be focusing on how to spot individuals with problems, not shooting everyone that seems to have a problem.

The "help" they get makes them crazier. Locking you up in a room with no windows, medicine everyday, locked away from the rest of society doesn't help you. Their motive isn't to make you better. Its just another excuse to lock you away because you're a danger to society. It would be improper to put a person like that in prison, so they make a facility that serves the same purpose, but doesn't raise any questions.

haha, you watch a lot of movies dont you? It doesnt work like that champ
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the attitude like those of the ignorant posters in the first few responses is why this will keep hppening...you cant keep killing 'insane' people. They need help and instead we should be focusing on how to spot individuals with problems, not shooting everyone that seems to have a problem.

The "help" they get makes them crazier. Locking you up in a room with no windows, medicine everyday, locked away from the rest of society doesn't help you. Their motive isn't to make you better. Its just another excuse to lock you away because you're a danger to society. It would be improper to put a person like that in prison, so they make a facility that serves the same purpose, but doesn't raise any questions.

haha, you watch a lot of movies dont you? It doesnt work like that champ

Sure it doesn't. Just a few years ago, during communism in my country, all the engineers, political leaders and such were sent away to mental hospitals supposedly being "insane" All they did was lock them away. Those same hospitals haven't changed, and the program for the average "mental" patient operates the same way. Rarely will anyone ever come out of there.
 
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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
But psychiatrists testifying for the defense told jurors of multiple psychotic episodes Schlosser detailed to them. One doctor said Schlosser told him she felt commanded by God to cut off Maggie's arms, followed by her own limbs and head. Schlosser had a deep cut on her shoulder when police found her.

:Q
 

HamburgerBoy

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Torture her and make sure that every person thinking about murder sees videos of her dying a slow and painful death. That'll make not only them think twice, but it eliminates her (obviously ****** up) genetics from the gene pool.

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
But psychiatrists testifying for the defense told jurors of multiple psychotic episodes Schlosser detailed to them. One doctor said Schlosser told him she felt commanded by God to cut off Maggie's arms, followed by her own limbs and head. Schlosser had a deep cut on her shoulder when police found her.

:Q

Ever since that woman drowned her children in a bathtub, it seems that more and more are using the "God told me to do it!" excuse.
 
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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the attitude like those of the ignorant posters in the first few responses is why this will keep hppening...you cant keep killing 'insane' people. They need help and instead we should be focusing on how to spot individuals with problems, not shooting everyone that seems to have a problem.

The "help" they get makes them crazier. Locking you up in a room with no windows, medicine everyday, locked away from the rest of society doesn't help you. Their motive isn't to make you better. Its just another excuse to lock you away because you're a danger to society. It would be improper to put a person like that in prison, so they make a facility that serves the same purpose, but doesn't raise any questions.

haha, you watch a lot of movies dont you? It doesnt work like that champ

Sure it doesn't. Just a few years ago, during communism in my country, all the engineers, political leaders and such were sent away to mental hospitals supposedly being "insane" All they did was lock them away. Those same hospitals haven't changed, and the program for the average "mental" patient operates the same way. Rarely will anyone ever come out of there.

which country is this?
 

SparkyJJO

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Originally posted by: Yossarian
insanity is the biggest crock of BS of all time. I don't care what your state of mind was, if you did the crime you should pay.

QFT
 

jpeyton

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Schlosser told him she felt commanded by God to cut off Maggie's arms, followed by her own limbs and head.
Surprise, surprise. :roll:
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: Yossarian
insanity is the biggest crock of BS of all time. I don't care what your state of mind was, if you did the crime you should pay.

I agree. she did it, she should be sentenced for it.

Insanity RARELY works. Lets get rid of the myths.
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
the attitude like those of the ignorant posters in the first few responses is why this will keep hppening...you cant keep killing 'insane' people. They need help and instead we should be focusing on how to spot individuals with problems, not shooting everyone that seems to have a problem.

The "help" they get makes them crazier. Locking you up in a room with no windows, medicine everyday, locked away from the rest of society doesn't help you. Their motive isn't to make you better. Its just another excuse to lock you away because you're a danger to society. It would be improper to put a person like that in prison, so they make a facility that serves the same purpose, but doesn't raise any questions.

haha, you watch a lot of movies dont you? It doesnt work like that champ

Sure it doesn't. Just a few years ago, during communism in my country, all the engineers, political leaders and such were sent away to mental hospitals supposedly being "insane" All they did was lock them away. Those same hospitals haven't changed, and the program for the average "mental" patient operates the same way. Rarely will anyone ever come out of there.

Note to Godfather, we live in America.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Yossarian
insanity is the biggest crock of BS of all time. I don't care what your state of mind was, if you did the crime you should pay.

Agreed.

I just can't stand bullsh!t like this. Years ago if someone did this they would just fvcking kill them right then and there, or that day...but now they get to go through a long trial only to plead insanity and stay in jail or a rehab center for years.

It is so dumb.
 

Proletariat

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IT DOES NOT WORK unless the person is evaluated messed up.

WHICH IS VERY RARE.

I hate to type in caps but this is simply the truth.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
IT DOES NOT WORK unless the person is evaluated messed up.

WHICH IS VERY RARE.

I hate to type in caps but this is simply the truth.

Yeah dude, we get it, I saw it the first time.