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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And the Pentium M only dominates A64's in gaming clock for clock. Intel is sucking wind right now.
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Dominate is rather strong a word. Performance edge when clock for clock sounds more like it, but then we've got to make the CPU seem worthwile consider it gets dominated in FPU intenstive situations. :roll:

Your almost sounding as desperate as ATI fans right now.
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At least ATI has something coming out that should compete and they're doing what they can to make sure it does, and they're telling us they are.

This Intel/AMD situation is different. nVidia is more like intel in your senario, and the major difference is that nVidia doesn't seem to be a lethargic cow - they've offered not only core improvements for greater speed, but "dualcore" as well. Whereas intel slapped two old cores together and are trying to force it down our throats. The situation for intel fans is far worse than the situation for ATI fans, at least that's what I think.
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Since the retard won't provide proof... here it is at three resolutions with lots of tests 2.6 M vs. 2.6 A64
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=133&type=expert&pid=10

Hardy "dominate" when it's well within 2% in game tests clock for clock. That's within margin of error, actually 5% is, but we are much less than that.


And since when do we compare processors clock for clock? A super cheap duron is better than any P4 if we did that. Idiots.
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Watch it Zebo. No need for the name calling BS. I know your a kid, but have some manners. If your not a kid, I apologize and God help you. And why did you link to an article that shows a 400FSB Dothan instead of a 533? They had to crank the FSB to 160 to get 2.6 GHz. Not to mention the DDR333 that was used.

Listen man, I know you would die for AMD and that's your business, but stop being a dick about it. I'll admit, dominate is a strong word, but 2% is 2% anyway you look at it.
And what do you mean "Since when do we compare processors clock for clock?" Why not?
All AMD bed partners tout what a A64 would do to an P4 clock for clock don't they.
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Bwhaha the biggest intel troll of them all comes crawling in with his slobber..

Don't like the tests linked it up "kid" nothings stopping you. The only "dicks" are the trolls like you and intelia with no substance destroying this once decent forum
 
The Pentium M is an awesome gaming CPU but it isn't very good for anything else, so if your getting a pure gaming machine Pentium M is a viable option but if your computer is going to be used for a wide range of things your better off with an A64.
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just to play devil's advocate, Intelia is right that the Pentium M Dothan is a beast in games. Clock for clock, it is at least as fast as any K8 CPU.

The only problem is that Pentium M for desktop computers is not a serious solution right now. Your current choices are using a socket adapter with older Asus P4 S478 motherboards, buying a overpriced crappy 855GM chipset motherboard, or a slightly better 915GM motherboard (which is still pretty overpriced and bare for what it costs).
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Absolutely right! But Zebo doesn't want to hear this. It hurts him. The word Yonah terrifies him. Forget about Merom/Conroe, that send yellow shivers down his spine.

J/K.. As if I really care. I am actually pricing out a 3500+ NF4 rig. not SLI. So, I guess I'm supporting the AMD "cause". barf. Just want to see what it can do compared to my P4 rig and my Soon to be P-M desktop. Yes, I game a lot.
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And while the Pentium M certainly does have a few advantages, a S939 K8 CPU is a much better choice for your desktop computer at this point. Venice cores are cheap, good NForce4 motherboards are cheap, and yields are good enough to get most people to 2.4GHz without much effort (with more than a handful getting to 2.6GHz+).

Dothan also has a weak floating point unit, which certainly tips the performance crown to the K8 as the overall best choice. But you have to hand it to Intel for making such a dominant laptop CPU. The Turion is a good effort, but really needs a clock speed advantage to be competitive with the Pentium M in performance.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Turion is a good effort, but really needs a clock speed advantage to be competitive with the Pentium M in performance.
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Have you seen a turion review to qualify this? I miss anand's laptop reviews..has'nt done one in like 6 months. Anyway they supposed to use 30W and have huge cache and all the 90nm core refinments could be interesting.
 
As much as the Pentium M is great at gaming, how much does it actually cost? In that article, you're looking at somewhere around $400-$500 for that cpu ALONE. Where's that $120 Venice...
 
Geeze Zebo I know that I can get on your nerves but come on . Play nice . Remeber everthing you have posted on this subject . I personally Well not bash you when Intel is clearly the dominate CPU . But others will . I know that my husband and many others are waiting for that day. It is these little zinnietes that are going to trash you and the rest of the name callers here . For the record I to am a zinnite. I am Zinn3C. and there are many more.
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Geeze Zebo I know that I can get on your nerves but come on . Play nice . Remeber everthing you have posted on this subject . I personally Well not bash you when Intel is clearly the dominate CPU . But others will . I know that my husband and many others are waiting for that day. It is these little zinnietes that are going to trash you and the rest of the name callers here . For the record I to am a zinnite. I am Zinn3C. and there are many more.
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I did'nt see any links in there or numbers. Pontification is Ignored.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And the Pentium M only dominates A64's in gaming clock for clock. Intel is sucking wind right now.
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Dominate is rather strong a word. Performance edge when clock for clock sounds more like it, but then we've got to make the CPU seem worthwile consider it gets dominated in FPU intenstive situations. :roll:

Your almost sounding as desperate as ATI fans right now.
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At least ATI has something coming out that should compete and they're doing what they can to make sure it does, and they're telling us they are.

This Intel/AMD situation is different. nVidia is more like intel in your senario, and the major difference is that nVidia doesn't seem to be a lethargic cow - they've offered not only core improvements for greater speed, but "dualcore" as well. Whereas intel slapped two old cores together and are trying to force it down our throats. The situation for intel fans is far worse than the situation for ATI fans, at least that's what I think.
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Since the retard won't provide proof... here it is at three resolutions with lots of tests 2.6 M vs. 2.6 A64
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=133&type=expert&pid=10

Hardy "dominate" when it's well within 2% in game tests clock for clock. That's within margin of error, actually 5% is, but we are much less than that.


And since when do we compare processors clock for clock? A super cheap duron is better than any P4 if we did that. Idiots.
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Watch it Zebo. No need for the name calling BS. I know your a kid, but have some manners. If your not a kid, I apologize and God help you. And why did you link to an article that shows a 400FSB Dothan instead of a 533? They had to crank the FSB to 160 to get 2.6 GHz. Not to mention the DDR333 that was used.

Listen man, I know you would die for AMD and that's your business, but stop being a dick about it. I'll admit, dominate is a strong word, but 2% is 2% anyway you look at it.
And what do you mean "Since when do we compare processors clock for clock?" Why not?
All AMD bed partners tout what a A64 would do to an P4 clock for clock don't they.
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Bwhaha the biggest intel troll of them all comes crawling in with his slobber..

Don't like the tests linked it up "kid" nothings stopping you. The only "dicks" are the trolls like you and intelia with no substance destroying this once decent forum
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So, you don't want the AMD support? Is that what your telling us? And "junior", If you don't realize your more of a troll than I ever could be, thats your own dumb fault. I just started to take my next breathe after saying I was going to tryout a A64 rig, and before I could exhale, you call me an Intel troll. That's a neat trick. There's a lot of nasty members here at AT, and your one of them. I've seen worse, but your getting up there. Too bad, you could have been a decent guy here.

Oh, and how the F did you get elite status with your kind of attitude? Your sheer post count? Must be.

 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Turion is a good effort, but really needs a clock speed advantage to be competitive with the Pentium M in performance.
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Have you seen a turion review to qualify this? I miss anand's laptop reviews..has'nt done one in like 6 months. Anyway they supposed to use 30W and have huge cache and all the 90nm core refinments could be interesting.
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http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_content.asp?id=turion64
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: Zebo
If you O/C the pentium M to 2.8 it completely destroys the AMD 64 FX57 product at the same clock .
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Liar.

I don't know where you get this stuff?
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There you go with your name calling.I was referring to a gaming machine only. I clearly stated that!

More reading comprehension problems.

As for proof its plastered all over the web. You got to get out more. .Whats worse is than you say 5% is within a margin of error. Don't the P4 3.73 come within 5% of most the gaming and syn. test . Why is 5% for AMD a WIN and for Intel its within a margin of error. My goodness gracious.

You should also keep in mind that the AGP doesn't perform quit as well as the PCI-E
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LOL i dare you to post that in the Video forum and see what they say ..
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
I made no conclusions its the testers conclusions not mine

If you want a pure gaming machine. The pentium M mobile cpu is almost as fast as the FX 57 . Even though the PM is running @ 2.26 it is a better value for the $$$$.
If you O/C the pentium M to 2.8 it completely destroys the AMD 64 FX57 product at the same clock . The Pentium M is also cheaper than the FX57 so it is also a better value. Pentium M 2.26 well also clock higher than 2.8GHz .
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I find that pretty hard to believe, while my pentium-m does nicely at gaming, it doesn't do well at much else. And as for the pentium-d..I saw it win one test and loose in pretty much everything else, including to the single core 3.46ghz extreme edition. It would be quite a waste of money for me to go to a slower 3.2ghz dual core when my hyperthreaded single core does 3.91. I can't imagine trying to keep 2 overclocked prescott cores cool under one package when I needed water cooling to keep just one 3.4ghz from throttling at stock speeds..
 
I guess this article skiped peoples brains. Clearly shows who dominates gaming "clock for clock". Read Part II to see just "how much" performance increased bandwith gives the pentium m
(*hint very little). Please read the articles before you people state that the pentium BLOWS AWAY AMD 64 in gaming performance. The AMD 64 is very competative with the pentium M in gaming performance clock for clock. Although the Pentium M is a good product made by intel, please dont exagerate anything.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2342&p=20
 
<sigh>

Another flame shoot. Intelia, go back to your hole and quit posting crap like this. We don't need any more flame shoots. The Intel vs AMD thing has been played and replayed TO DEATH.

Quit speculating about Yonah, Merom, or Conroe. Speculation = crap.

Pentium D is a fine value choice for dual-core computing. It does indeed best the X2, but only in a couple areas. In everything else the X2 is faster. Whether you value absolute speed or the quality and stability of Intel boards and chipsets is your own decision. Personally, I'd go with the X2 if I were building a new dual-core machine right now.

Pentium M (Dothan) does indeed best Athlon 64 in gaming. This has been proven, and hashed and rehased time and time again. QUIT DEBATING IT. Clock-for-clock Dothan is faster (but only slightly) than Athlon64; A major feat for a mobile chip nonetheless.
 
Originally posted by: mindgam3
All i have to say keysplayr2003.. is that ive gotten tons of good information from Zebo where your posts are all trash!
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Thank you Mr. 48 posts. Do you use AMD? If yes, then OF COURSE you received good information from Zebo...
 
Originally posted by: Intelia
Geeze Zebo I know that I can get on your nerves but come on . Play nice . Remeber everthing you have posted on this subject . I personally Well not bash you when Intel is clearly the dominate CPU . But others will . I know that my husband and many others are waiting for that day. It is these little zinnietes that are going to trash you and the rest of the name callers here . For the record I to am a zinnite. I am Zinn3C. and there are many more.
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so its a cult now?
 
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