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Pentium5 VS Athlon64: How will they compare?

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Prescott is NOT the Pentium 5. It's just a new P4 core, like Northwood vs. Williamette. Hammer will spank it.
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never underestimate intel marketing

 
I don't know how the two CPU's will compare to each other. What I do know is that they will both kick major ass when compared to current CPU's 😀! And right on time for my next upgrade...
 
Is it me or does anyone else think that AMD might be in trouble. Both the Prescott and Athlon 64 are scheduled for a fall release. We are pretty sure that the Prescott will debut at 3.4GHz and if we take "PR" ratings to heart, given that the Prescott will have a higher IPC then the P4 (between 15% and 25%), then we would have to give the Prescott 3.4 a "PR" rating of between 3.9 and 4.25. The Athlon 64 is rumored to debut at 3400+ meaining they will not be able to compete with Intell and sell the A64 at a high price when compared to the Prescott.
 
Originally posted by: sparks
Is it me or does anyone else think that AMD might be in trouble. Both the Prescott and Athlon 64 are scheduled for a fall release. We are pretty sure that the Prescott will debut at 3.4GHz and if we take "PR" ratings to heart, given that the Prescott will have a higher IPC then the P4 (between 15% and 25%), then we would have to give the Prescott 3.4 a "PR" rating of between 3.9 and 4.25. The Athlon 64 is rumored to debut at 3400+ meaining they will not be able to compete with Intell and sell the A64 at a high price when compared to the Prescott.
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My thoughts exactly sparks, but remember the extra cache and extra instructions as well as the HT2 will only help in certain apps....so we wont see all that performance increase across the line....

My concern is the amd64 if last reports have it right seems to be having problems just getting to the 3400+ stably...It is not ramping up as expected and likely for the delays.

I bet it will be a push or neglible territory as always...Intel doesn't want to get too far as amd keeps the governement and monopoly concerns off of them..AMD is playing the roll as te innovator and the leader in new technology (as intel has in the past) and it is showing to be tough to be the guinea pig...
 
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
AMD, no competition. Besides look at my Andy Hui quote below, a dual core Athlon 64? Now thats powerful man. Besides, it would have TWO dedicated cores, one for each data thread instead of once core "fudging" two threads (a.k.a. Intel's HT).
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Ummm... Athlon 64 is not a dual core cpu.
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There is a possibilty...
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Based on what? They haven't managed to get good enough yeilds on a single core hammer to muster up a luanch. I wouldn't hedge any bets based soley on the fact that the AT FAQ guy says "it's a possibility".

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Originally posted by: codehack2
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
AMD, no competition. Besides look at my Andy Hui quote below, a dual core Athlon 64? Now thats powerful man. Besides, it would have TWO dedicated cores, one for each data thread instead of once core "fudging" two threads (a.k.a. Intel's HT).
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Ummm... Athlon 64 is not a dual core cpu.
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There is a possibilty...
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Based on what? They haven't managed to get good enough yeilds on a single core hammer to muster up a luanch. I wouldn't hedge any bets based soley on the fact that the AT FAQ guy says "it's a possibility".

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Hey, AMD is just waiting on Microsoft, remember?.......Yeah, right.


 
Originally posted by: ketchup79
Originally posted by: codehack2
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
AMD, no competition. Besides look at my Andy Hui quote below, a dual core Athlon 64? Now thats powerful man. Besides, it would have TWO dedicated cores, one for each data thread instead of once core "fudging" two threads (a.k.a. Intel's HT).
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Ummm... Athlon 64 is not a dual core cpu.
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There is a possibilty...
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Based on what? They haven't managed to get good enough yeilds on a single core hammer to muster up a luanch. I wouldn't hedge any bets based soley on the fact that the AT FAQ guy says "it's a possibility".

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Hey, AMD is just waiting on Microsoft, remember?.......Yeah, right.
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🙂

I've not been following this in great detail... Has AMD actually used that arguement?

How long did Intel run a 32bit chip on a 16bit Microsoft OS (ala.. Dos/Win3.1)?

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Originally posted by: codehack2

How long did Intel run a 32bit chip on a 16bit Microsoft OS (ala.. Dos/Win3.1)?

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so long that Intel went and reworked the penitum to run 16bit code better, creating the Pentium II.
 
I would think that prescott would be called pentium 5 but Intel hasnt said what it will be called. Listening to them it would be called Pentium 4, but Intel loves naming conventions.
 
What about the Pentium M. That has about a 50% increase Vs the P4 M, what if you stuck one of them in a desktop, if they get up the speeds of the chip, overclocking that could spank other things too.
 
Based on what? They haven't managed to get good enough yeilds on a single core hammer to muster up a luanch. I wouldn't hedge any bets based soley on the fact that the AT FAQ guy says "it's a possibility".
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Exactly. Anything is possible, and as you quite rightly pointed out, my quote is taken out of context and used with selective hearing.
 
Originally posted by: AndyHui
Based on what? They haven't managed to get good enough yeilds on a single core hammer to muster up a luanch. I wouldn't hedge any bets based soley on the fact that the AT FAQ guy says "it's a possibility".
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Exactly. Anything is possible, and as you quite rightly pointed out, my quote is taken out of context and used with selective hearing.
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No intentional bashing on you here Andy, I respect/honor the work you do here at AT.... Just trying to show our atomic friend that earth is a beautiful place and he should come back down and join us.

Keep up the good work buddy,
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No intentional bashing on you here Andy, I respect/honor the work you do here at AT.... Just trying to show our atomic friend that earth is a beautiful place and he should come back down and join us.
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Don't worry. I completely understand. You've pointed out things in a nicer way than I would have. 🙂
 
I believe "La Grande" is in fact TCPA/Palladium or something similar. Digital Rights Denial. (Or was that Tejas?).
 
Originally posted by: Yomicron
Originally posted by: codehack2

How long did Intel run a 32bit chip on a 16bit Microsoft OS (ala.. Dos/Win3.1)?

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so long that Intel went and reworked the penitum to run 16bit code better, creating the Pentium II.
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it was the pentium pro

i've got two of them 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Yomicron
Originally posted by: codehack2

How long did Intel run a 32bit chip on a 16bit Microsoft OS (ala.. Dos/Win3.1)?

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so long that Intel went and reworked the penitum to run 16bit code better, creating the Pentium II.
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it was the pentium pro

i've got two of them 🙂
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Give the man a Twinkie... he is correct. I had a couple of Pentium Pro setups... they cooked under Win NT & got slapped around by Pentium classics in Win 95.

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