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Originally posted by: dmens
How did you conclude that AMD does not have so-called support on silicon when they did not explicitly state so? and how do you know intel's "support" is turned on by default... when their rep didn't say anything about it?

Hope you got lots of lube.


I don't know what an Intel fanboy such as yourself is worried so much about. I already said if you like Intel by all means stay intel.

Why are you even butting in here and trying to slam AMD chips? You are only trying to agitate and doing a piss poor job of it. I am LMFAO at you.

I know it isn't implemented on AMD chips as I am running one of the newest, a 3700+ San Diego and I can copy, download, burn anything I want. Run DVD Fab and I can even burn DVDs. What is your point? Your motive? Try to turn all of us to Intel's overpriced, overheating, room heating, underperforming chips?
 

dmens

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I don't know what an Intel fanboy such as yourself is worried so much about. I already said if you like Intel by all means stay intel.

go figure... anyone who isnt rabidly pro-amd or doesn't engage in intel bashing is an "intel fanboy". how childish.

Why are you even butting in here and trying to slam AMD chips? You are only trying to agitate and doing a piss poor job of it. I am LMFAO at you.

did i slam AMD chips? they make excellent processors. as for agitating amd fanboys, i dont need to do that... you guys are so knee-jerk sensitive already lol.

I know it isn't implemented on AMD chips as I am running one of the newest, a 3700+ San Diego and I can copy, download, burn anything I want. Run DVD Fab and I can even burn DVDs.

your point being? Pentium D's have their single cores taken directly from a prescott stepping. hence, if DRM is on P-D, it's on prescott, and people using prescott wouldn't be able to do anything with pirated material.

on top of that, and if you read the article, you'd know DRM is still heavily software, and it's not even in Windows XP afaik. so the fact that you can burn dvd's don't say a thing about the existence of "DRM support silicon" on your amd uproc, or on intel procs.

What is your point? Your motive? Try to turn all of us to Intel's overpriced, overheating, room heating, underperforming chips?

why would i want to do that? buy whatever you want, i dont give a crap. only zealots try to turn people... and there's enough of them on this forum.
 
Aug 9, 2004
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Exactly. But you are being quite the ass in getting your point across. Buy what you like. Why would I care what you do with YOUR money?

If I were you Jr. I wouldn't call anybody childish. Read your posts like somebody else wrote them. That way you don't come off in a way that sounds so damned obnoxious and CHILDISH. I am still ROTFLMFAO at you.

:edit: I am leaving for tonight, sorry I can't be further amused but I am tired. :p
 

Greenman

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Originally posted by: dmens
Link works now. Again.

Considering how both intel and amd are members of this bs initiative, maybe y'all should start using Via CPU's from now on.

also, I havent heard jack about DRM support in a long time... it's pretty much gone totally unmentioned in the new product cycle. hopefully it's dead.

There are a few tidbits floating around from 02. I can't find anything that mentions the A64. I wonder if AMD would respond to an email about it?

btw, I could care less what sort of cpu you use, nor do I care what sort of person you are, but you do come across as an asshole.
 

DrMrLordX

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That article only mentions the Opteron explicitly. Also, Palladium(the DRM initiative supposedly supported in Opteron hardware) won't be showing up until Longhorn is released, most likely.

By the same token, the originally linked article only mentions the Pentium D as having any DRM-tech built into it(along with its supporting chipset).

None of this will mean anything until MS rolls out their DRM initiative(beyond the WMP crap we've seen already). That may never happen.
 

Zebo

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AMD still does'nt have unique serials implanted into ever MS file you make and seen over the net. Ya , dispite the other reasons, if you're into illegal activity AMD is definity to way to go.
 

bersl2

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
That article only mentions the Opteron explicitly. Also, Palladium(the DRM initiative supposedly supported in Opteron hardware) won't be showing up until Longhorn is released, most likely.

By the same token, the originally linked article only mentions the Pentium D as having any DRM-tech built into it(along with its supporting chipset).

None of this will mean anything until MS rolls out their DRM initiative(beyond the WMP crap we've seen already). That may never happen.

"Palladium" is an old MS term, what they now call the Next-Generation Secure Computing Base (NGSCB). Also under the alias "trusted computing," or as rms likes to call it, "treacherous computing." New name, same old shiat. It pops up publicly every once in a while, and those of us who care to get fired up for a while, and then it goes behind the scenes again.

I don't know why all of you aren't more proactive about discouraging hardware-enforcable DRM. Why leave it up to chance for the technology sheeple to reject it? And what if the *AA are able to get it government-mandated into all hardware (and don't think it's impossible)? We're screwed then.

Right, so here's the Trusted Computing FAQ, last updated in 2003, here's the Wikipedia article (neutrality disputed, of course), and I know there was some essay written by an IBM employee defending the technology, saying that it has other uses besides DRM and shouldn't be held back because of this, but I don't know where it is, so if you're interested (and you should be), you can find it.
 

coomar

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Originally posted by: Zebo
AMD still does'nt have unique serials implanted into ever MS file you make and seen over the net. Ya , dispite the other reasons, if you're into illegal activity AMD is definity to way to go.


Why i use a computer
 

Tujan

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DRM is pretty weird stuff. Problem with it being the users patronage is not a specified feature set of something you bought. It propagates fact of 'liscence,over ownership,and portrays a fact of custodial 'asset,. A thing wich is debatable to copyright law as it is.

In its 'place ,if there is such a thing,it can be valuable.At least when the boundries have been set for example,networks,trees,forests. But the problem is that the ideas behind its right is 'open source"" - that is a copyrights,right is open only to the right of the publishers. And publishers are very much moot on the fact of the debatable 'asset,over patronage and purchase.

I could be mistaken intirely about DRM being to have anything at all to do with copyright.Copyright,and security are entirely two different things. In that light,again though as long as a boundry is 'managed,you have the notoriety of its 'place. With the internet having the abreviated aspect of denying 'person,simply on the 'managed state of place - think DNS,IP,etc Again the 'publishing aspect,can simply drop barrels to watch the gush without adjacently portraying the 'person in a way wich in signifagant in commerce and patronage.

The 'management aspect of DRM is only the 'Management-of-rights. With Microsoft having the details of acredation of DRM managed items included to software however,the 'back-end and 'front-end are ever apherent with either of the two having unanounced dispositions.

To me if a propriety,or entity wants a given relationship to their work thats fine with me.This may work in a network setting. But when there are certain ideas that are fundamental in commerce,such as payment,receipt,and asset a basis of 'right on part of person -a criteria of reason having been software does not preempt those ideas.

............just blabbing. Heck you know it,and I know it. Microsoft programming for DRM,has been going on for several years now. Probably wont have to worry about it unless you included yourself from porting the non-shalant back-end,to your front-end.

Management is management.But lets not confuse person ,place,and asset. Just what the Intel spokesman is generalizing for in 'old DRM,and new DRM. The new DRM,couldn't be any better than the old DRM. At least on the commerce side.Because the specification for the commerce,in the 'right of asset - remains moot as a topic for publishers. Probably the way they like it.

Desktops are limited. In that place boundry . DNS and IP and the likes. If I had my name on the door.The autoconnectives for 'any software would be the first I would be sure to disable. Back-end,or front-end alike.

..........hope we here more about this.Cause I hate having to replace the wheels on the car when I change the battery out. Just to find this is a 'party of gang thieves. etc.

Here is the U.S. the supreme court is due to rule on 'file sharing. In the EU,microsoft is trying to avoid a straight flush. DRM gives goods a bad name. Maybe management is doing well with it. Dont know,cant find anything about it,except back in darkened corners of 'liscencing boards,....



 

dmens

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Originally posted by: TheRipper
If I were you Jr. I wouldn't call anybody childish. Read your posts like somebody else wrote them. That way you don't come off in a way that sounds so damned obnoxious and CHILDISH. I am still ROTFLMFAO at you.

LOL. kids. rabid fanboys like yourselves should learn more before opening your yaps. sorry i have to post honest opinion instead of amd kowtowing.

fyi, i could have taken a job at amd just as easily... i'd still be posting the exact same thing. i dont propagandize for anybody. ok, maybe for kraftwerk, cuz they rule.
 

bersl2

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Originally posted by: dmens
you can google, right?

if there's going to be DRM support on silicon, it'd probably be there already since it's a pretty old initiative.

It's not going away. They want that Hollywood money too badly.

also, this whole deal stinks because i find it hard to believe people would bother trying to find a hardware solution for a problem that is 100% software. i find the term "hardware DRM support" to be extremely suspicious.

Here's the long and short of it: At some point in the processing of an encrypted and DRMed file, the data will appear in an unencrypted, lossless form. Hardware-enforced DRM allows them to prevent software from decrypting the file, the DMCA prevents those hardware hackers skilled enough to reverse-engineer (for interoperability-purposes only, of course, which is otherwise allowed), and potential laws such as Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (which failed---thank God) would ensure that no hardware exists that would be without DRM.

DRM is snake-oil, because a) it's not perfect and will be cracked, b) once it's cracked, it's all over for that particular DRM system; so the only solution is to protect the DRM with laws.

Digital content and the Internet, quite simply, mean the end of entertainment as an "industry"; no longer is there any binding between a physical product and the information formerly stored on that physical product. Bits are bits, and bits are trivially copied. If there is no scarcity, there is no market.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Zebo
AMD still does'nt have unique serials implanted into ever MS file you make and seen over the net. Ya , dispite the other reasons, if you're into illegal activity AMD is definity to way to go.

You guys are unbelievable. Touting AMD because it will allow you to steal? New low guys. New Low. Tout it because it is a faster and better processor, not because it will let you be a scumbag.

 

bersl2

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Zebo
AMD still does'nt have unique serials implanted into ever MS file you make and seen over the net. Ya , dispite the other reasons, if you're into illegal activity AMD is definity to way to go.

You guys are unbelievable. Touting AMD because it will allow you to steal? New low guys. New Low. Tout it because it is a faster and better processor, not because it will let you be a scumbag.

You don't buy the "fair use" argument either, do you.
 

arcas

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Frankly, the DRM doesn't bother me as much as the new AMT stuff. This appears to be a backdoor or side channel that bypasses any OS controls to allow remote management, IDE redirection, reformatting, reinstalling, etc. On the surface, that sounds nice for corporate LAN administrators but if someone discovers a way to abuse it, it will be an utter fiasco for Intel.

 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Zebo
sarcasm doesnt do so well on net...

Geez keys someone sodomize you with barbed wire or what? Sensitive! Reactionary! Well Get off me and not just this thread either: everyone but YOU apparenty, knows what I think about warez/RMA's..etc


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http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1599946&enterthread=y.

Maybe AMD will finally begin a great marketing campaign. The corporate slogan?

"If you're into illegal activity, AMD is definitely the way to go."

or

"Into bootlegging? Try AMD"

or how about

"Thinking of pirating? Sail the seven seas of AMD..."

Give me an F-ing break.



 

Cheesetogo

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Originally posted by: Budman
remember that Intel processor id thing a while back.... eveybody freaked & after the mobo makers had an option to disable it from the bios.....

I am hoping it can probably be turned off too with a bios update.


What was the proceesor id thing?
 

Steeplerot

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great first the freakin LGA 775 pinless CPU's ruined the only good use for intel chips in my household...

Now they want to give low level HDD access remotley?

It's going to be a good rest of the decade for AMD ;)
 

Tujan

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So far from what I can gather,it looks to be an installer using the newer boards will have to look for defaults carefully with driver instalations. Haven't put one together myself,but there are certain 'controllers wich for the network devices will persuade that of the management side of things.

Now Im not so sure that Microsoft might want this as default' for example. The boards look really good. Certainly reading very closely before installing /configuring the system software would be a must. As well looking closely at what is installed when doing so.

Perhaps somebody will start a 955x,945 thread in the forum here.

I had lost hundreds of dollars on the part of DRM'd music,till I got smart to avoid it,or burned them to CD after changing out a processor. The situation is that the gulf between proprieties leaves the person using them helpless in middle between 'agreements,wich do not share a specification set among them for the user.

How I see it,person loosing money cant be ignored.They are though. The liscencing party is a big deal,of course ,as the newbie is the new catch in the sea. And think these types of proprieties couldn't make credit card companies any happyer.

 

dualsmp

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AMD has done the deal with the devil as well folks...:disgust:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

1. What is TC - this `trusted computing' business?

The Trusted Computing Group (TCG) is an alliance of Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD which promotes a standard for a `more secure' PC. Their definition of `security' is controversial; machines built according to their specification will be more trustworthy from the point of view of software vendors and the content industry, but will be less trustworthy from the point of view of their owners. In effect, the TCG specification will transfer the ultimate control of your PC from you to whoever wrote the software it happens to be running. (Yes, even more so than at present.)

8. How is this related to the Pentium 3 serial number?

Intel started an earlier program in the mid-1990s that would have put the functionality of the Fritz chip inside the main PC processor, or the cache controller chip, by 2000. The Pentium serial number was a first step on the way. The adverse public reaction seems to have caused them to pause, set up a consortium with Microsoft and others, and seek safety in numbers. The consortium they set up, the Trusted Computer Platform Alliance (TCPA), was eventually incorporated and changed its name to TCG.
 

bersl2

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Originally posted by: dualsmp
AMD has done the deal with the devil as well folks...:disgust:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

1. What is TC - this `trusted computing' business?

The Trusted Computing Group (TCG) is an alliance of Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD which promotes a standard for a `more secure' PC. Their definition of `security' is controversial; machines built according to their specification will be more trustworthy from the point of view of software vendors and the content industry, but will be less trustworthy from the point of view of their owners. In effect, the TCG specification will transfer the ultimate control of your PC from you to whoever wrote the software it happens to be running. (Yes, even more so than at present.)

8. How is this related to the Pentium 3 serial number?

Intel started an earlier program in the mid-1990s that would have put the functionality of the Fritz chip inside the main PC processor, or the cache controller chip, by 2000. The Pentium serial number was a first step on the way. The adverse public reaction seems to have caused them to pause, set up a consortium with Microsoft and others, and seek safety in numbers. The consortium they set up, the Trusted Computer Platform Alliance (TCPA), was eventually incorporated and changed its name to TCG.

However, AMD has seemingly not implemented any of the TCPA. Like I said before, everybody wants a cut of that Hollywood money.
 

coomar

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thats whats disturbing, when you look at the original link, the intel guy is saying drm is on the dual-cores which hasn't been mentioned in any review and with their pricing scheme these chips are very much mass-market