Pentium D vs. M vs. Northwood

[shuttleboi]

I currently have a Northwood 3.0Ghz.

How does this compare with a Pentium D 820 2.8 Ghz (new desktop), a Pentium M 760 2.0 Ghz (new laptop), and a Pentium Core Dual 2.0 Ghz (new laptop)?

Any published benchmarks?

Thanks.

 

[dguy6789]

When you say core dual, do you mean Core Duo? I would rate the processors as this considering I have had experience with all of them except for the Core Duo:

Core Duo > Pentium D > Pentium M > Pentium 4

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
When you say core dual, do you mean Core Duo? I would rate the processors as this considering I have had experience with all of them except for the Core Duo:

Core Duo > Pentium D > Pentium M > Pentium 4

Are the Core Duo chips much faster than the P-D?

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: dguy6789
When you say core dual, do you mean Core Duo? I would rate the processors as this considering I have had experience with all of them except for the Core Duo:

Core Duo > Pentium D > Pentium M > Pentium 4

Are the Core Duo chips much faster than the P-D?

I would have to do some research on the subject to answer that question. Perhaps googling or someone else will be able to tell you how much faster they are.

 

[potato28]

Northwood would kik that 820 all over... except in SSE3 programs. Other than that, Core Duo is a great upgrade.

 

[DaveSimmons]

What do you want to do?

For gaming by itself (not warezing while you play) your Northwood is faster than a Pentium D 820 2.8 Ghz.

 

[igowerf]

Northwoods were good processors. When Prescotts first came out, the NWs were faster and ran a lot cooler at the same clock speeds.

 

[shuttleboi]

I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Yes, 2 x 2.8 GHz will help with that level of multitasking.

 

[ND40oz]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

You want a 900 series pentium D with a motherboard that has a bios that supports VT. VMware's newest version of server supports VT, as we're doing testing, but I don't know about workstation.

Or you can opt for the newer Xeons which have VT as well, you just have to ensure you have a bios that supports VT as well.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

You want a 900 series pentium D with a motherboard that has a bios that supports VT. VMware's newest version of server supports VT, as we're doing testing, but I don't know about workstation.

Or you can opt for the newer Xeons which have VT as well, you just have to ensure you have a bios that supports VT as well.

I agree, if you go with a pentium-d you want to get the 9xx series, mainly because they run a good bit cooler than the 8xx series, and as ND40oz said, they have VT which should be benificial if you are using a version of VMware thats compatible.

They are going to make desktop motherboards for core duo as well, that should start showing up very soon, so thats an option as wel(not sure if they have VT or not)l. I'm actualy planning to upgrade my pentium-m desktop to a core duo. A 2ghz core duo will be faster than a 2.8ghz pentium-d while running much much cooler, and using less power. Of course if it's in your budget, I would recomend an AMD 3800+ X2 over a core duo or a pentium-d unless you want VT, in which case the Pentium-D 9xx series is the best choice.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: potato28
Northwood would kik that 820 all over... except in SSE3 programs. Other than that, Core Duo is a great upgrade.

No single core Northwood could even come close to the multi tasking performance brought on by Pentium Ds.

 

[Luckyboy1]

I'm confused... what motherboard or chipset is this CPU going to go into?

 

[Philippine Mango]

Don't get the Pentium D, it's got onboard DRM...

 

[shuttleboi]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

You want a 900 series pentium D with a motherboard that has a bios that supports VT. VMware's newest version of server supports VT, as we're doing testing, but I don't know about workstation.

Or you can opt for the newer Xeons which have VT as well, you just have to ensure you have a bios that supports VT as well.

I agree, if you go with a pentium-d you want to get the 9xx series, mainly because they run a good bit cooler than the 8xx series, and as ND40oz said, they have VT which should be benificial if you are using a version of VMware thats compatible.

They are going to make desktop motherboards for core duo as well, that should start showing up very soon, so thats an option as wel(not sure if they have VT or not)l. I'm actualy planning to upgrade my pentium-m desktop to a core duo. A 2ghz core duo will be faster than a 2.8ghz pentium-d while running much much cooler, and using less power. Of course if it's in your budget, I would recomend an AMD 3800+ X2 over a core duo or a pentium-d unless you want VT, in which case the Pentium-D 9xx series is the best choice.

My situation is pretty budget-constrained. Dell has a nice sale on a 9150 desktop (Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz) with a 2405 LCD for ~$1180 right now. I figure that CPU has to be better than my Northwood 3.0 Ghz for serious VMWare Workstation action, right?

I really need to use VMWare Workstation to do Linux development now. I can also pick up a Dell XPS M170 (Pentium M 2.0 Ghz) or a Dell E1705 (Core Duo 2.0 Ghz). I'm considering the M170 so I can run Elder Scrolls Oblivion

YES, I know Dell isn't the best, but these are good prices, and that's all I'm looking at. Of these three, what's the best choice for VMWare Workstation?

 

[F1shF4t]

Northwoods were the best, spanked athlon xps all over the place while running much cooler (only bad thing is they were expencive). In single threaded apllications the northwood would beat the pd 820 tsomething not be funny, but when it comes to using 2 high intensive programs at the same time the good old northwood wont stand a chance.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

You want a 900 series pentium D with a motherboard that has a bios that supports VT. VMware's newest version of server supports VT, as we're doing testing, but I don't know about workstation.

Or you can opt for the newer Xeons which have VT as well, you just have to ensure you have a bios that supports VT as well.

I agree, if you go with a pentium-d you want to get the 9xx series, mainly because they run a good bit cooler than the 8xx series, and as ND40oz said, they have VT which should be benificial if you are using a version of VMware thats compatible.

They are going to make desktop motherboards for core duo as well, that should start showing up very soon, so thats an option as wel(not sure if they have VT or not)l. I'm actualy planning to upgrade my pentium-m desktop to a core duo. A 2ghz core duo will be faster than a 2.8ghz pentium-d while running much much cooler, and using less power. Of course if it's in your budget, I would recomend an AMD 3800+ X2 over a core duo or a pentium-d unless you want VT, in which case the Pentium-D 9xx series is the best choice.

My situation is pretty budget-constrained. Dell has a nice sale on a 9150 desktop (Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz) with a 2405 LCD for ~$1180 right now. I figure that CPU has to be better than my Northwood 3.0 Ghz for serious VMWare Workstation action, right?

I really need to use VMWare Workstation to do Linux development now. I can also pick up a Dell XPS M170 (Pentium M 2.0 Ghz) or a Dell E1705 (Core Duo 2.0 Ghz). I'm considering the M170 so I can run Elder Scrolls Oblivion

YES, I know Dell isn't the best, but these are good prices, and that's all I'm looking at. Of these three, what's the best choice for VMWare Workstation?

I would not get a P-D 820 to run VMs... I'd get a P-D 920. It supports VT and should be quite a bit quicker for your needs once VMWare supports it - and it will. The 920 should be at the top of your list for this reason!

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

You want a 900 series pentium D with a motherboard that has a bios that supports VT. VMware's newest version of server supports VT, as we're doing testing, but I don't know about workstation.

Or you can opt for the newer Xeons which have VT as well, you just have to ensure you have a bios that supports VT as well.

I agree, if you go with a pentium-d you want to get the 9xx series, mainly because they run a good bit cooler than the 8xx series, and as ND40oz said, they have VT which should be benificial if you are using a version of VMware thats compatible.

They are going to make desktop motherboards for core duo as well, that should start showing up very soon, so thats an option as wel(not sure if they have VT or not)l. I'm actualy planning to upgrade my pentium-m desktop to a core duo. A 2ghz core duo will be faster than a 2.8ghz pentium-d while running much much cooler, and using less power. Of course if it's in your budget, I would recomend an AMD 3800+ X2 over a core duo or a pentium-d unless you want VT, in which case the Pentium-D 9xx series is the best choice.

My situation is pretty budget-constrained. Dell has a nice sale on a 9150 desktop (Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz) with a 2405 LCD for ~$1180 right now. I figure that CPU has to be better than my Northwood 3.0 Ghz for serious VMWare Workstation action, right?

I really need to use VMWare Workstation to do Linux development now. I can also pick up a Dell XPS M170 (Pentium M 2.0 Ghz) or a Dell E1705 (Core Duo 2.0 Ghz). I'm considering the M170 so I can run Elder Scrolls Oblivion

YES, I know Dell isn't the best, but these are good prices, and that's all I'm looking at. Of these three, what's the best choice for VMWare Workstation?

The 920 would be far better than the 820 due to VT, and not run like a flamethrower like the 820 does. A dual core at the same speed will be ~60% faster for SMP aware programs than a single core with HT. Northwoods are slightly faster clock for clock than prescotts, so you'd be more looking at around 45-50% faster with a 2.8ghz dual core over your 3ghz northwood. VT would make a differance but you need the 9xx series for that.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake
Northwoods were the best, spanked athlon xps all over the place while running much cooler (only bad thing is they were expencive). In single threaded apllications the northwood would beat the pd 820 tsomething not be funny, but when it comes to using 2 high intensive programs at the same time the good old northwood wont stand a chance.

Agreed. I have a 2.533Ghz P4 533 FSb no HT and a 2.8Ghz P4 800FSB with HT. Even the smaller proc beats an Athlon XP2600+ and it just feels snappier. And the 2.8 with HT i just envy (its my twin bro's computer). Everything just is so zippy on it. He can Play Runescape and listen to music all at the same time. It takes 100% CPU usage for me to play Runescape. And when bro got it up to 3.6 Ghz DAM!!!! That was so sweet! Then the generic PSU blew damaging the MOBO

 

[shuttleboi]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I'm a programmer. I want to run VMWare 5.5 Workstation with a Linux guest while watching DVDs on my Windows host. I'm assuming the Pentium-D 2.8Ghz will be able to handle that better than my Pentium 4 3Ghz, right?

You want a 900 series pentium D with a motherboard that has a bios that supports VT. VMware's newest version of server supports VT, as we're doing testing, but I don't know about workstation.

Or you can opt for the newer Xeons which have VT as well, you just have to ensure you have a bios that supports VT as well.

I agree, if you go with a pentium-d you want to get the 9xx series, mainly because they run a good bit cooler than the 8xx series, and as ND40oz said, they have VT which should be benificial if you are using a version of VMware thats compatible.

They are going to make desktop motherboards for core duo as well, that should start showing up very soon, so thats an option as wel(not sure if they have VT or not)l. I'm actualy planning to upgrade my pentium-m desktop to a core duo. A 2ghz core duo will be faster than a 2.8ghz pentium-d while running much much cooler, and using less power. Of course if it's in your budget, I would recomend an AMD 3800+ X2 over a core duo or a pentium-d unless you want VT, in which case the Pentium-D 9xx series is the best choice.

My situation is pretty budget-constrained. Dell has a nice sale on a 9150 desktop (Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz) with a 2405 LCD for ~$1180 right now. I figure that CPU has to be better than my Northwood 3.0 Ghz for serious VMWare Workstation action, right?

I really need to use VMWare Workstation to do Linux development now. I can also pick up a Dell XPS M170 (Pentium M 2.0 Ghz) or a Dell E1705 (Core Duo 2.0 Ghz). I'm considering the M170 so I can run Elder Scrolls Oblivion

YES, I know Dell isn't the best, but these are good prices, and that's all I'm looking at. Of these three, what's the best choice for VMWare Workstation?

The 920 would be far better than the 820 due to VT, and not run like a flamethrower like the 820 does. A dual core at the same speed will be ~60% faster for SMP aware programs than a single core with HT. Northwoods are slightly faster clock for clock than prescotts, so you'd be more looking at around 45-50% faster with a 2.8ghz dual core over your 3ghz northwood. VT would make a differance but you need the 9xx series for that.

Thanks for the info. I don't have the resources to build my own 920-based machine, so I'm constrained to Dell right now.

From what you say, a P-D 820 2.8Ghz would be better than my P4 Northwood 3.0Ghz with VMWare Workstation. You mentioned earlier that the Core Duo (in laptops) is even faster than the P-D, so I might look at that.

Do the Pentium M CPUs have hyperthreading? Would VMWare run as effectly on a P-M 2.0 Ghz as on my Northwood 3.0Ghz? As they were separated by at least 12 months, I haven't seen any benchmarks comparing them.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Core Duo at 2 ghz will be faster than an 820D. And no, Pentium Ms do not have(or need) Hyperthreading. It's hard to say how well VMware would run on a Pentium M(Dothan) at 2 ghz, but it might actually do a little worse than on your Northwood.

Core Duo(Yonah) would be better than either your Northwood or a Pentium M.

BTW, Dell should have some Pentium D 920 systems, or so I'd think . . .

 

[stevty2889]

Pentium-M's don't have HT, core duo on the other hand is a dual core, and a 1.83 or 2ghz core duo would be faster than a 2.8ghz pentium-d, while running much much much cooler. The 820 doesn't have VT, so it's not going to be nearly as good for VMware as a 920 would, and it's gonna run a lot warmer than your 3ghz northwood. Perhaps you could sell the 820 out of the dell and replace it with a 920.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

No neither Pentium Ms or Core Duo utilize hyperthreading. And yes, it should run better. But I would get a Core Duo over a Pentium M as they have several weaknesses in which they crap out like a rock in performance.

 

[Gamingphreek]

But I would get a Core Duo over a Pentium M as they have several weaknesses in which they crap out like a rock in performance.

They are the same processor except one has another core

As for Virtualization Technology, i seriously doubt that the user is going to be running 2 OS's at once -_-

I would definitely get the Core Duo, over anything else. Then the Core Solo (P-M). After that there is really no point in going Intel atm (Unless preliminary results for Merom and Conroe prove to be accurate). Get an X2 or a Venice core A64.

-Kevin

 

[DrMrLordX]

Gamingphreek, the OP has indicated that he will be using VMWare.