Pentium D temps way too high.

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I have the X2, several of them, and I have no problems, and most people don;t either when they put the patches and the correct drivers in.

Those are not needed with the Intel Pentium D series.

 

[Markfw]

The big typhoon is rated by most places as #1 or #2 in cooling capacity. The Fortron 450 is highly regarded on these forums as one of the best by the majority that I have seen. And, yes the power draw from a PCI-express card would require a bigger power supply, that I why I posted that I DON'T have one, just a wimpy 1 meg regular PCI video card. Please post a screen shot of your 820D @3.85 with Prime95, CPU-Z and speedfan (temps). Also, I have my side cover OFF with a 120mm exhaust fan in the open side to boot !

 

[Hikari]

My case was causing the high temps apparently. With XP-90 and a Nexus 92mm fan and the top off the case it is 39C, 55C with the lid on. It is some silverstone HTPC-type case, so its to be expected given how quiet it is I suppose...

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Bingo13

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I have the X2, several of them, and I have no problems, and most people don;t either when they put the patches and the correct drivers in.

Those are not needed with the Intel Pentium D series.

So what ? I want performance, and if installing a driver gives it to me, fine. You have drivers for your video card...

Would you show me the proof of OC I asked for ? why do you keep changing the subject ?
And that is supposed to be on air cooling, not water or phase or LN2, etc... I don't believe it on air.

 

[AkumaX]

my 820D @ 1.25v o/ced to a whopping 3.15ghz!! (but then again it was the mobo...)

Bingo13, you talking about the Microsoft patch? because that's for DUAL core cpus, not just for X2

i <3 the sonic tower + super quiet fan

 

[Hikari]

Sounds like my crappy MSI 945G Neo-F, Akuma. I can OC my 830D to 212x15 MAX, and it still crashes some (low temp too). It won't even run my memory at anything other than 667 (have pc2-6400).

I've not needed that dual core patch though, I don't have the symptoms of the problem you have if you need it.

 

[Markfw]

OK, so I upped the voltage some more, at 1.45, and set it to 256x14 fir 3.6 ghz, then fired up 2xF@H (not even as stressfull as S&M) after 5 minutes, I am running just a little over 3 ghz ! and 58c with my case open, ambient temp 23c and my big exhaust fan and my Big typhoon. At 1.525v, it wouldn't even post. and yes I upped the dim and the nb voltage also.

Here is the pic with the bios set at 256x14 = 3.6 ghz, but throttling down to 3100 at 58c

And a couple minutes later, almost down to 3.o in the nose !

So even if you could get one to 3.73, on air, I doubt it would really be running at that. Thats why I left mine at 3.43, since it really runs at that., and at 1.4v

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
The big typhoon is rated by most places as #1 or #2 in cooling capacity. The Fortron 450 is highly regarded on these forums as one of the best by the majority that I have seen. And, yes the power draw from a PCI-express card would require a bigger power supply, that I why I posted that I DON'T have one, just a wimpy 1 meg regular PCI video card. Please post a screen shot of your 820D @3.85 with Prime95, CPU-Z and speedfan (temps). Also, I have my side cover OFF with a 120mm exhaust fan in the open side to boot !

1. Capacity does not always equate to efficiency.
2. My systems have not been stable in the past with Fortron power supplies.
3. I already have CPU-Z screenshots and 3dmark results at 3.738, will be happy to run them at 3.850.
4. Why are screenshots required when someone runs at a setting you disagree with now? We are suppose to trust your results as gospel but if someone disagrees with you then they have to provide proof? It sounds as if you are intimidated by someone who can do something you cannot.
5. I am not going to argue this subject any further. The X2 is a wonderful chip and I am running a 4800 now. However, it is not perfect just like the Pentium D. I can accomplish the same amount of work and play at an equal level in games with either system.

 

[Markfw]

See above. Also, I don;t know what number 1 refers to, there are test all over the place and reviews showing the Big typhoon as the HSF of choice, and the Forton also is very highly rated.

And I like to run not throttled, again see above. And where are your screenshots ? and is that on water cooling ?

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Bingo13

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I have the X2, several of them, and I have no problems, and most people don;t either when they put the patches and the correct drivers in.

Those are not needed with the Intel Pentium D series.

So what ? I want performance, and if installing a driver gives it to me, fine. You have drivers for your video card...

Would you show me the proof of OC I asked for ? why do you keep changing the subject ?
And that is supposed to be on air cooling, not water or phase or LN2, etc... I don't believe it on air.

My reply was posted almost an hour before your next one. I am not changing the subject.

I just noticed your desktop screenshot and CPU-Z reports a Intel Pentium 520 under the Processor name. Funny, mine reports a true Intel Pentium D 2.8ghz along with the Intel Inside logo showing Pentium D. Your code name is Prescott and not Smithfield. Are you sure about the system having a 820D?

I run my systems on air and in Thermaltake Tsunami cases. I have not had the issues you are and unless you report the motherboard and memory you are using then it is difficult to help you.

 

[Markfw]

I am running an older version of cpu-z. Notice below that, it does day 820d ????? I should update cpu-z. And I still think your would be throttling.

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
my 820D @ 1.25v o/ced to a whopping 3.15ghz!! (but then again it was the mobo...)

Bingo13, you talking about the Microsoft patch? because that's for DUAL core cpus, not just for X2

i <3 the sonic tower + super quiet fan

I am talking about the AMD X2 patch, do not even get me started on the TSC (Time Stamp Counter) drifting out of sync between both cores after a couple of up time days. I played around with the /usepmtimer switch however, I get missing/echoing audio in games with the X-FI or Audigy 4 Pro. I love the processor and greatly respect what AMD has designed but for people to ignore the teething issues with it is not fair in these types of conversations.

 

[Markfw]

I updated cpu-z and it shows correctly now. Then I reset my bios to the highest speed I can run without throttleing, 3.43, and he it is
3.43 ghz, no throttling ! 55c temp, 1.39 vcore

And speaking of teething issues, Creative drivers are the worst, and this is a new product, and you blame it on AMD ?

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I am running an older version of cpu-z. Notice below that, it does day 820d ????? I should update cpu-z. And I still think your would be throttling.

I knew you had the older version, mine did the same until 1.30. :beer: However, the processor does not throttle since it never gets above 55c. Trust me on this, sometimes bigger is not better on heatsink/fan solutions.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Mark chill out, you're so quick to jump on everyone today. You accuse Bingo of changing subjects, yet for no reason you compare Creative's drivers to AMD's? What's with that?

Bingo, what cooling are you using? Sounds good if you never break 55C on load.

 

[Bingo13]

What is your MCH voltage? You go a lot further on the Intel chipsets with the MCH turned up than the voltage on the CPU. What are your memory settings? There are a number of issues that could be hurting your abilities to reach a higher FSB and without knowing your board it is hard to help. If you have a 945 based board, realize that most of the clock generators used by the suppliers will not go beyond 265 with real system performance peaking at 247~251. The board makes a huge amount of difference as does the bios tweaks. Unlike the AMD systems, most of the tweaks in the current 945/955 systems are not available. The nForce4 Intel Edition allows enough tweaks so you can get around some of the Pentium D design limitations.

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

And speaking of teething issues, Creative drivers are the worst, and this is a new product, and you blame it on AMD ?

I do not have these issues with the Pentium D systems and while Creative can be blamed for almost anything that has gone wrong in the computing world their current drivers are actually very good compared to other audio suppliers.

The X2 has some issues, deal with it like I do, its not like it is the end of the world. It is just a cpu and this is why I do not understand why everything has to be for one side or the other in these conversations. I have no issues slamming the Pentium D for its shortcomings but at least I can see the benefits and faults of both platforms.

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Bingo, what cooling are you using? Sounds good if you never break 55C on load.

Thermaltake CL-P0114, GIGABYTE G-Power GH-PDU21-SC, and GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF with Arctic Silver Ceramique Thermal Compound (works better than the Silver 5 on the Prescotts). You have to apply it properly and in this case, less is more beneficial.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Bingo13

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I am running an older version of cpu-z. Notice below that, it does day 820d ????? I should update cpu-z. And I still think your would be throttling.

I knew you had the older version, mine did the same until 1.30. :beer: However, the processor does not throttle since it never gets above 55c. Trust me on this, sometimes bigger is not better on heatsink/fan solutions.

I could care about bigger is better, I care about performance. It rates very high.
Here is one such review, there are others.

 

[Bingo13]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Bingo13

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I am running an older version of cpu-z. Notice below that, it does day 820d ????? I should update cpu-z. And I still think your would be throttling.

I knew you had the older version, mine did the same until 1.30. :beer: However, the processor does not throttle since it never gets above 55c. Trust me on this, sometimes bigger is not better on heatsink/fan solutions.

I could care about bigger is better, I care about performance. It rates very high.
Here is one such review, there are others.

Then you will notice in my previous message I have used the Big Typhoon. I find the Gigabyte units to offer the same if not better cooling in a smaller package and they seem to fit better on the cpu which explains the performance results. I now have the Scythe Ninja for testing but have found the same results, bigger is not always better. I would take the Big Typhoon over the Ninja any day.

 

[martinmsj]

Well it turns out Intel has deemed my motherboard defective and they set up an rma number to have it replaced. Luckly the motherboard serial says its sill under warranty. Sucks that I ran into the intel rep today who avoided me the whole time. It sucks because I spent so much on a new case thinking my older one had bad air flow. Turns out the case was perfectly fine and I didn't need this expensive Antec P180.

:-(

 

[DL2257]

I built my first computer using a pentium D 830 and this chip does run hot. The Arctic Silver website said to place a bead of Arctic Silver 5 about the size of grain of rice on top of the processor, which I did. It was not enough thermal paste to conduct heat to the stock heatsink. My computer consistently ran hot. When I ran the Intel utilities stress test the processor reached temperatures of over 80 C and it idled at about 65 C. The computer became very instable one night. I removed the heatsink and processor and polished the bottom of the heatsink with Arctic Silver to fill in the microscopic valleys of the copper bottom. I applied a thin layer of A S about the size of the processor to the bottom of the heat sink using a piece of an old plastic library card and also completely covered the metal cap of the processor with a thin layer of A S. My computer now idles at 53 to 54 C and it reaches about 68C during the stress test which is below the 70 C threshold that Intel recommends. This chip makes so much heat that the whole top of the processor has to be covered with thermal paste to transfer heat efficiently. I like to know other peoples experience trying to cool this thing.

 

[Markfw]

Well, stock and OC'ed are two entirely different things with this chip. I haven;t tried stock, but the highest speed I can get without throttling is 3.43 ghz, and if I don;t leave the case cover open AND have an exhaust fan, it goes over 55c and starts thottling anyway. And thats with the big typhoon ! Its a flame-thrower ! With the case cover on at the same speed and vcore, it went over 70c and shut down.

 

[LouPoir]

Well, I picked up an 830D for a steal and already had an Asus P5WD2. With after market cooling, the processor ran at 60c idle and 80c under load. That is running at 3.8 at default vCore.
So i bought the Big Typhon and the temps went down about 2c. And I said damm --
I kept noticing that every time I took the HSF off, there was only AS5 on the far edges of the HSF. I re-applied AS5 with most of it in the center anb Voila - idle at 48c, full load at 60c running at 3.9 with a slight vCore bump.

Not bad.

Lou

 

[AkumaX]

Seriously, Sonic Tower + 120mm fan was AWESOME. Big Typhoon gave me 53c/73c whereas ST gave me 44c/54c (idle/load)