Pentium D losing to an old Athlon XP?!?!?!?

[greatromances]

Well I did a fresh WinXP install and just installed the chipset drivers that were supplied with the motherboard, but i'll grab the latest drivers from foxconn for the via chipset as soon as I get back to the system later today and run a memtest on it. If that doesn't work, i'll just try a complete reinstall of windows and start fresh with the new chipset drivers and latest ati drivers and see what happens. I'll get back to you with the results.

But there's nothing I can do about locking that SATA problem when i'm overclocking? Something i've noticed as i've been rebooting alot lately, even when i'm overclocking BELOW 150fsb (which isn't much at all) is that randomly on boot it SOMETIMES won't recognize the raid array. This is going to be a big problem, as i'm probably not going to be able to keep it overclocked at all if i'm gonna run into random SATA boot problems like this. Am I stuck with this problem because the SATA is unlocked, or is there a setting in BIOS i can modify to correct this?

 

[A554SS1N]

I'm too lazy to read through everything, so skimmed through but couldn't see any mention of dual-core patches - hence I suggest applying either the MS Hotfix or any Intel patch? Sorry if it's been done/suggested already...

 

[greatromances]

Originally posted by: A554SS1N
I'm too lazy to read through everything, so skimmed through but couldn't see any mention of dual-core patches - hence I suggest applying either the MS Hotfix or any Intel patch? Sorry if it's been done/suggested already...

Sounds like it could be that. I'll try that before reinstalling anything. thanx!

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: greatromances
Okay yeah... I'm definately running into some problems here. I left my computer when I ran the test the first time around, so i sat through it and watched my frames and everything. I found something VERY wrong. on 1280x768 (no AA), the framerate COMPLETELY pauses for about 15 seconds. This happens about evey 8 seconds or so when inside the test. Something is not right at all. It does this in the demo as well, so I know it's not jsut something wrong with the test. I checked the fan on the card, it's running fine. I rolled back my drivers to the origional drivers that were on the disc that came with the card, then updated the drivers once more. Wtf is going on here?

Sounds like your cpu is throttling.

And one more question... Why when I go above 150fsb does my RAID0 setup dissapear from the computer? also, i tried upping the res and adding AA, and when i do that, right off the bad the screen freezes (but the system doesn't hang. it's like the tests are still being run cuz i can still press esc to exit the test) and then I see a little action, then instantly freezes again. this process repeats itself over and over...

What motherboard and chipset do you have? You may not have an AGP/PCI lock, so all your hardware is messing up by not running the fsb at or close to 133mhz/166mhz/200mhz.

I'm thinking of sending it back and getting another motherboard setup. the FOXCON P4M800P7MA-RS2 has a MAX FSB user input of 165, which sucks cuz I know I can get this 805 up to ~3.7ghz with a good HSF.

You've done it already, or you're just assuming?
Oh, that sounds like a ****** motherboard, it is quite possibly severely limiting your performance. Pentium 4 and Athlon XP systems have their performance greatly limited by using a crappy chipset.

 

[greatromances]

Chipset is VIA P4M800 PRO on a Foxconn P4M800P7MA-RS2. It was cheap ($50), but I didn't think it'd have a factor on the performance of the CPU.

I don't think it's my CPU throttling, as I've tested it at stock cpu speeds as well with the same problem happening. Also my temps are fine, so it would have no reason to throttle either way.

As far as the PCI/AGP lock, is there anything at all that I can do to allow overclocking of this chip without the lock? Or am I just never going to be able to use my sata drives when I overclock?

As far as the overclock goes, i'm pretty sure i could get it up to 3.7 on a good HSF, as there have been many many reports of people hitting 4 on air. This is a great overclocking chip. Unfortunately i'm stuck pretty low due to these problems for the time being.

 

[AkumaX]

have you tried running everything at STOCK yet?

 

[greatromances]

Yes. Right now, I'm running everything at stock speeds. The GPU was never overclocked. I tried the MSHotfix for the dual core processors, that didn't work for the video card. I'm going to give up as far as overclocking goes for now, ESPECIALLY with this motherboard. It's just not a good motherboard at all. I'm running into problems with LAN, video, overclocking, unlocked SATA... Just too many problems. I got what I paid for though. Low quality. I'm going to see if I can possibly exchange my X850Pro for a PCI-e card of some sort so I can get a freakin decent motherboard to run on. This board is just crap. The only thing I don't understand now is wtf is up with my video card and why it's getting such low scores in 3dmark05, and screen freezes every 5 seconds.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: greatromances
Chipset is VIA P4M800 PRO on a Foxconn P4M800P7MA-RS2. It was cheap ($50), but I didn't think it'd have a factor on the performance of the CPU.
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Well that explains the raid 0 problem at least, no SATA locks on the via chipset, so overclocking more than likely gave you data corruption as well. I would run Chkdsk just to be sure.

 

[kakarotxiv]

by any chance is that intel chip dual core?

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: greatromances
Yes. Right now, I'm running everything at stock speeds. The GPU was never overclocked. I tried the MSHotfix for the dual core processors, that didn't work for the video card. I'm going to give up as far as overclocking goes for now, ESPECIALLY with this motherboard. It's just not a good motherboard at all. I'm running into problems with LAN, video, overclocking, unlocked SATA... Just too many problems. I got what I paid for though. Low quality. I'm going to see if I can possibly exchange my X850Pro for a PCI-e card of some sort so I can get a freakin decent motherboard to run on. This board is just crap. The only thing I don't understand now is wtf is up with my video card and why it's getting such low scores in 3dmark05, and screen freezes every 5 seconds.

try format. again.
just install the chipset drivers and stuff off the cd
there's no reason for the scores to be so different.. it should be within at most ~200 difference

 

[thescreensavers]

Behold the power of an athlon xp

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Behold the power of an athlon xp

nope

they really aren't all that (and my main/only rig runs a tbred-b at 2.2ghz atm) these days.

His problem is thermal throttling most likely here.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Behold the power of an athlon xp

they really aren't all that (and my main/only rig runs a tbred-b at 2.2ghz atm) these days.

don't usually disagree with dug, but the xp WAS all that... can't be dissing a truly great run of processors...

and i had this symptom once due to fastwrites being enabled (mentioned above by duvie i think), only happened on a nf3 chipset board... disable fastwrites and see what happens...

another way to see if the cpu is throttling is to crank up task manager and prime95 and watch for a while... it might throttle sooner than u expect, and when the load goes away the temp drops fast...

 

[nullpointerus]

How can it be thermal throttling if his temps don't go above 49C?

I would try disabling the AGP 1 WS Read and Write. Don't modern Catalysts have some kind of AGP stability tester in them? I would run it if you haven't already.

I don't understand what would cause a 15 second pause. I would get pauses like that in the middle of a level in some games when my antivirus program and Windows virtual memory would go berserk. Dunno how A/V would cause that in 3D Mark, though...

 

[dug777]

I have very serious doubts he's only at 49'C at 3.1ghz with the stock cooler, that's WAY out of whack with what every review site/personal review on AT has said when overclocking the 805 (THG say the stock cooler is basically only good for stock speeds and a bit above, as does stevety & mark iirc).

@cubeless; don;t get me wrong mate, i love my Axp But clock for clock it's getting very long in the tooth these days, and an 805 at stock (let alone 3.3) is going to give a barton at 1.8 a beating in most things(look at the thg interactive cpu guides and compare the sempron barton @ 2ghz vs an 820 (which the AT benchmarks show the 805 loosing by very little in gaming) to get an idea of it.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
How can it be thermal throttling if his temps don't go above 49C?

I would try disabling the AGP 1 WS Read and Write. Don't modern Catalysts have some kind of AGP stability tester in them? I would run it if you haven't already.

I don't understand what would cause a 15 second pause. I would get pauses like that in the middle of a level in some games when my antivirus program and Windows virtual memory would go berserk. Dunno how A/V would cause that in 3D Mark, though...

don't trust temp readouts... especially on cheaper mobos... watch the graph in task manager... and the skips that happen with fastwrites (as i recall) is that the memory buffer gets farkled up and flow controls and overwrites and then sorts itself out...