Pentium D losing to an old Athlon XP?!?!?!?

[greatromances]

K i'm not sure what's going on here, but my new pentium D 805 @ 3.3ghz is LOSING in 3dmark05 to my old athlon XP 2500+ barton. The 805 is getting 2787@1280x768 and the barton got 4763 at the same res. What's going on here? All drivers are updated on both systems. They both have identical vid cards, as I tested my entire amd system before pulling the video card out and putting it in the 805 that i just finished building today... Here's the specs for both -

Pentium 805 @ 3.3ghz stock cooler
1gb PQI turbo pc5400
(2)320gb WD HDD in RAID0
Radeon X850Pro AGP 256mb

VS

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Barton core
1gb pc2700
80gb WD 7200
Radeon X850Pro

The BIOS is set up for AGP 8X... What am I doing wrong here? I would have expected much much better from a dual core at 3.3ghz against my old amd chip. It does excellent in multitasking, and the hard drive speek is great with the RAID0 array, but for gaming, this is just terrible....

 

[stevty2889]

3Dmark is a graphics intesive test, not a cpu intensive test. Did you make sure you have the chipset drivers fully installed?

 

[dug777]

There's something dramatically wrong with your oc'd 805 setup.

Before any of the anti-805 crowd get in here lets make that clear, there's not a chance in hell that in a massively GPU limited benchmark a chip that is absolutely certainly faster than your 2500+ is going to record nearly half the score.

Forcing AA or AF in the 805 one seems most likely.

I guess the 805 could also be heat throttling? What are your load temps? cooling?

 

[greatromances]

Yeah, all chipset drivers are installed, and all video drivers are up to date from ati's website... Is it normal for the 805 to lose out to an older XP chip? Toms charts have very different results from what i'm seeing here.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: greatromances
Yeah, all chipset drivers are installed, and all video drivers are up to date from ati's website... Is it normal for the 805 to lose out to an older XP chip? Toms charts have very different results from what i'm seeing here.

hopefully i've answered your question above, but it bothers me that you're asking this question when you built this computer yourself

The 805 at 3.3 is faster than a barton at 1.8ghz, no doubt whatsoever, in every single application under the sun. A barton at 2.2/2.4 might be a different matter, but no where near to make the kinda difference you are seeing in a GPU INTENSIVE APPLICATION It's called 3dmark for a reason.

 

[AkumaX]

werd. something wrong w/ the 805 installation. maybe it's "intel optimized" :laugh:

 

[buzzsaw13]

Your 805 should be doing a lot better than a Barton, there must be something you're doing wrong.

 

[Fox5]

I say uninstall your drivers and reinstall the latest ones.
Also, make sure any AA or AF or anything like that is disabled.
Oh, and make sure you're running the memory in sync with the FSB of the cpu, that can make a big difference.
Finally, if you're pushing your system (cpu, video card, or memory) to its limits, sometimes it can start failing without any actual crashing, drastically reducing your scores. Step the overclocks back a little and see what happens. If you run the memory and cpu at stock, how's the score look?
Oh, and perhaps your cpu could be throttling or windows is having trouble correctly using the dual cores, assign an affinity for 3dmark, and/or disable speedstep.

 

[Markfw]

On a single core game app, the barton COULD be eual to 3.0 ghz 805. As to your scores , could the 805 be throttling ? You did say stock cooler. Mine shut down at 30. at 70c, yours could be throttleing.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: greatromances
Yeah, all chipset drivers are installed, and all video drivers are up to date from ati's website... Is it normal for the 805 to lose out to an older XP chip? Toms charts have very different results from what i'm seeing here.

hopefully i've answered your question above, but it bothers me that you're asking this question when you built this computer yourself

The 805 at 3.3 is faster than a barton at 1.8ghz, no doubt whatsoever, in every single application under the sun. A barton at 2.2/2.4 might be a different matter, but no where near to make the kinda difference you are seeing in a GPU INTENSIVE APPLICATION It's called 3dmark for a reason.

I think it may be throttling as well..back off the OC and see if the scores increase...

Any increase in the vcore from stock will reduce the temperature point at which the cpu will throttle...

At 3.3ghz this thing should have scored above 5000 at least...

 

[greatromances]

Okay yeah... I'm definately running into some problems here. I left my computer when I ran the test the first time around, so i sat through it and watched my frames and everything. I found something VERY wrong. on 1280x768 (no AA), the framerate COMPLETELY pauses for about 15 seconds. This happens about evey 8 seconds or so when inside the test. Something is not right at all. It does this in the demo as well, so I know it's not jsut something wrong with the test. I checked the fan on the card, it's running fine. I rolled back my drivers to the origional drivers that were on the disc that came with the card, then updated the drivers once more. Wtf is going on here?

 

[aka1nas]

Just double-checking, but that 1GB of RAM on the Pentium D rig is running in dual channel, right?

 

[Duvie]

Disable any fast writes in the bios....Look for any app running in the background...check cpu usage with task manager....

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: greatromances
Yeah, all chipset drivers are installed, and all video drivers are up to date from ati's website... Is it normal for the 805 to lose out to an older XP chip? Toms charts have very different results from what i'm seeing here.

hopefully i've answered your question above, but it bothers me that you're asking this question when you built this computer yourself

The 805 at 3.3 is faster than a barton at 1.8ghz, no doubt whatsoever, in every single application under the sun. A barton at 2.2/2.4 might be a different matter, but no where near to make the kinda difference you are seeing in a GPU INTENSIVE APPLICATION It's called 3dmark for a reason.

I think it may be throttling as well..back off the OC and see if the scores increase...

Any increase in the vcore from stock will reduce the temperature point at which the cpu will throttle...

At 3.3ghz this thing should have scored above 5000 at least...

yeah

i commented on this earlier, and asked for load temps...if he's just on stock cooling he's almost certainly throttling.

 

[greatromances]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Disable any fast writes in the bios....Look for any app running in the background...check cpu usage with task manager....

Looks like fast write is disabled. I'm not sure if this means anything, but AGP Master 1 WS Write and read are both enabled. Also Dithering is disabled. AGP driving control is set to Auto and the arpeture size is at 128m

 

[greatromances]

And one more question... Why when I go above 150fsb does my RAID0 setup dissapear from the computer? also, i tried upping the res and adding AA, and when i do that, right off the bad the screen freezes (but the system doesn't hang. it's like the tests are still being run cuz i can still press esc to exit the test) and then I see a little action, then instantly freezes again. this process repeats itself over and over...

 

[dug777]

What mobo are you using? If it's one with the unlocked SATA ports, you should use ports 3 & 4, which are locked, unlike 1 & 2 (someone will be able to give you more info on this, but that would explain why your RAID setup disappears i think when you set the fsb too high). You want aperture at at least the same as teh RAM on the gfx card iirc (in fact i run mine at 256 mb for a 128mb 6600GT).

Also, it would be very helpful to know what kinda load temps you are getting, and what cooling you are using (i'm not going to bother asking again, since this is the third time i've asked), because as Duvie & myself have said, if you are using stock cooling you are most likely running into throttling issues at that speed.

Do you have these problems when the CPU is at stock speed?

EDIT: if you need help working out CPU temps, your mobo should come with a monitoring app, or google motherboard monitor or everest.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: greatromances
And one more question... Why when I go above 150fsb does my RAID0 setup dissapear from the computer? also, i tried upping the res and adding AA, and when i do that, right off the bad the screen freezes (but the system doesn't hang. it's like the tests are still being run cuz i can still press esc to exit the test) and then I see a little action, then instantly freezes again. this process repeats itself over and over...

Yep, definatly need to know what motherboard you are using. A lot of VIA chipset boards don't have SATA locks, so increasing the FSB, could definatly cause the missing raid-0 array. It is possible the 3dmark problem is related to the CPU throttling, so definatly need to know the load temps, but I still suspect it's a driver issue of some sort.

 

[greatromances]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: greatromances
And one more question... Why when I go above 150fsb does my RAID0 setup dissapear from the computer? also, i tried upping the res and adding AA, and when i do that, right off the bad the screen freezes (but the system doesn't hang. it's like the tests are still being run cuz i can still press esc to exit the test) and then I see a little action, then instantly freezes again. this process repeats itself over and over...

Yep, definatly need to know what motherboard you are using. A lot of VIA chipset boards don't have SATA locks, so increasing the FSB, could definatly cause the missing raid-0 array. It is possible the 3dmark problem is related to the CPU throttling, so definatly need to know the load temps, but I still suspect it's a driver issue of some sort.

Motherboard is a cheap FOXCON P4M800P7MA-RS2. Got it for $50 off newegg, and now i'm starting to regret not getting a quality motherboard... My temps under 3dmark05 load are ~40C at stock speeds (and it still does the screen freezes) and 49C @3.1. I decided to keep 3.1ghz my max for now, I don't want any trouble with this stock cooler. I thought the temps would get higher than that on the stock cooler, but I guess the investment in a quality case paid off [antec sonata II w/ that cpu passive cooling duct]. Just wish i'd have picked up a quality motherboard as well.

I'm thinking of sending it back and getting another motherboard setup. the FOXCON P4M800P7MA-RS2 has a MAX FSB user input of 165, which sucks cuz I know I can get this 805 up to ~3.7ghz with a good HSF.

I'm also guessing that, for some reason, the video card and the motherboard aren't getting along, and that's why i'm getting these weird screen freezes (maybe?). Just a feeling I guess. And any other suggestions as to why the video card would be acting like this? I don't think it's drivers, cuz i'm using the latest, I rolled back, and I also had the same drivers on my amd bored with this card and it wasn't acting up like this at all before.

Does anyone know of a good quality motherboard I could grab that supports SATA RAID0 (preferrably locked so I can overclock more), and AGP, preferrably under $150 as i'm on a pretty tight budget? I'm doubting I will be able to find a good motherboard that can overclock this chip enough while also having an AGP slot. I remember looking around a while myself I before stumbled upon the foxconn. If i'm stuck with this board, is there going to be any way to "lock" the SATA so I can overclock past 150 FSB, or am I stuck? I'd very much like to keep it in RAID0, as my application load times are great and I hear load times for games are a bit faster, as well as better data transfer rates.

 

[Markfw]

Why don't you try it at STOCK first, and see what happans. At that it may loose to the XP, but should be very close. Also, what are the temps ? Then we can go from there.

 

[greatromances]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Why don't you try it at STOCK first, and see what happans. At that it may loose to the XP, but should be very close. Also, what are the temps ? Then we can go from there.

Try running 3dmark at stock speed? I've run 3dmark at stock speed as soon as I finished i finished the system setup and it was still having the weird screen freezes and my score was a few hundred points lower than what i'm getting at 3.3ghz. I don't remember the actual points sorry... and my temps are at 40C stock and 49C @3.1ghz under load. I'm not going to go back up to 3.3ghz to check the load temps cuz It's probably not a good idea with a stock HSF

 

[Markfw]

Maybe not enough power supply ? what are the full system specs ?

 

[greatromances]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Maybe not enough power supply ? what are the full system specs ?

Possibly... I was thinking that might be it as well, but I wasn't sure if it was cuz I would assume the power supply would either shut the system down or reset the system if it couldn't supply enough power while under load. Anyways here's the full system specs:

Foxconn P4M800P7MA-RS2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium D 805 2.66ghz
1gb Pqi Turbo PC5400
(2)320gb SATA in RAID0 array
Radeon X850Pro 256MB AGP
only running (1) 120mm system fan in an Antec Sonata II case
DVD/RW Drive

The power supply the case came with is an 450Watt SmartPower 2.0, I would think that's more than enough power right? Even with the CPU at stock speeds, it freezes randomly and then unfreezes and repeats in 3dmark05. I'm not overclocking my vid card at all.

 

[Technonut]

I assume that you did a fresh WinXP installation with the latest VIA chipset drivers correct? I have not messed with VIA chipset mobos for awhile, but do remember chipset driver installation issues in the past....

If you do end up purchasing another mobo, do yourself a favor and make sure that it has the Intel chipset.....


EDIT: Also, are you running the latest Foxconn BIOS (Mar 18, 2006) ?

 

[Markfw]

I agree with technonut. If its not a format and install with all the latest drivers (VIA especially) then do that. You have enough power IMO. The memory (other than the motherboard) is the only other thing. Did you run memtest on it ? (at least 20 minutes) I mean the boot disk version.