Pentium 4 Extreme Edition - P4C 3.2/800 with 2MB L3!

[andreasl]

Pentium 4 Extreme Edition

WHEN, AT today's IDF opening, Louis Burns demonstrated a high-definition video stream running on a "mystery" desktop processor, everyone must hve thought it was the upcoming Prescott part. Wrong! It was the (also upcoming), previously unheard of, even at The Inq, Intel® Pentium® 4 processor Extreme Edition 3.20 GHz , with an extra 2 Megabytes. In Intel's own words, "this new processor will be targeted at high-end gamers and computing power users."

 

[Actaeon]

Perhaps good enough to shut down A64?

Hrm...

 

[Ronin]

I doubt the cost comparison will come even close. While it theoretically may perform better than the A64, I'm sure the price points, like always, will drastically differ.

 

[Nebor]

Sweeeeet. I doubt it would be worth it for me to upgrade from my 3.0 to the 3.2 2mb though. Plus it will cost like $700.

 

[Alkali]

Might be a plan Sounds like a funky chip.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Sweeeeet. I doubt it would be worth it for me to upgrade from my 3.0 to the 3.2 2mb though. Plus it will cost like $700.

The article says an extra 2MB. Sounds like the L3 cache configuration for the new Xeon MP's, standard 512KB L2 cache, with an additional 2MB of L3. Should be enough for Intel to keep the performance crown in most applications even with the impending A64.

 

[UlricT]

doesn't adding more and more cache give diminishing returns? Look at the AthlonXP 256-512k wasnt THAT much of a jump. Would have thought that L3 cache would be useful only for servers and such. I wonder how much this is really going to help the P4....

 

[lchyi]

thank you for that dandy article

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: UlricT
doesn't adding more and more cache give diminishing returns? Look at the AthlonXP 256-512k wasnt THAT much of a jump. Would have thought that L3 cache would be useful only for servers and such. I wonder how much this is really going to help the P4....

Different processors. Doing one thing to a P4 will not have the same affect as doing the same thing to an Athlon processor.

Cutting an apple in half is different to cutting an orange in half. One you get seeds, one you get juice. (if you get the analogy)

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: UlricT
doesn't adding more and more cache give diminishing returns? Look at the AthlonXP 256-512k wasnt THAT much of a jump. Would have thought that L3 cache would be useful only for servers and such. I wonder how much this is really going to help the P4....

Different processors. Doing one thing to a P4 will not have the same affect as doing the same thing to an Athlon processor.

Cutting an apple in half is different to cutting an orange in half. One you get seeds, one you get juice. (if you get the analogy)

Oranges have seeds too

 

[INemtsev]

it would be like 0-6% difference......A64 will handle it for sure.....if not my vapochill will make it

 

[rjain]

and apples have juice, too!

 

[Lonyo]

But different levels of seeds and juice, hence how the analogy can work

And the article says 2-20% speedup in some applications, which is pretty good. The P4's are better at video editing, this might help them even further.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: INemtsev
it would be like 0-6% difference......A64 will handle it for sure.....if not my vapochill will make it

Two days ago you posted: "I just started learning about cpu.ocing...etc.....I am confused why.....is Intel such a popular cpu...and how come there's so many intel-fan boys around?"

And now you are an expert enough to be able to predict how much performance would be gained with a new P4 that isn't even out yet.

(Who's the "fan boy" around here???

)

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: INemtsev
it would be like 0-6% difference......A64 will handle it for sure.....if not my vapochill will make it

Can you provide the data/formula you used to arrive at this number? Just curious! A64 may very well "handle it", but on the other hand, it may not. I'm sure it will rely once again upon the Benchmarks and who performs them.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: INemtsev
it would be like 0-6% difference......A64 will handle it for sure.....if not my vapochill will make it

Two days ago you posted: "I just started learning about cpu.ocing...etc.....I am confused why.....is Intel such a popular cpu...and how come there's so many intel-fan boys around?"

And now you are an expert enough to be able to predict how much performance would be gained with a new P4 that isn't even out yet.

(Who's the "fan boy" around here???

)

Owned.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: INemtsev
it would be like 0-6% difference......A64 will handle it for sure.....if not my vapochill will make it

Two days ago you posted: "I just started learning about cpu.ocing...etc.....I am confused why.....is Intel such a popular cpu...and how come there's so many intel-fan boys around?"

And now you are an expert enough to be able to predict how much performance would be gained with a new P4 that isn't even out yet.

(Who's the "fan boy" around here???

)

OMG! Total ownage!! :beer::beer:

 

[Pariah]

The Xeon MP's with 1GB L3 perform about 0-10% better than Xeon MP's without L3 depending on the application. One would logically assume that adding an additional 1MB of L3 would further enhance performance some. Doubling the improvement may be overly optimisitic, but the article estimate of 2-20% is probably pretty close.

 

[Nebor]

(Who's the "fan boy" around here??? )

THat would be me... GO NVIDIA GOOOOOOOOO!

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: INemtsev
it would be like 0-6% difference......A64 will handle it for sure.....if not my vapochill will make it

Two days ago you posted: "I just started learning about cpu.ocing...etc.....I am confused why.....is Intel such a popular cpu...and how come there's so many intel-fan boys around?"

And now you are an expert enough to be able to predict how much performance would be gained with a new P4 that isn't even out yet.

(Who's the "fan boy" around here???

)

Ouch.

Caught ya with your pants down...

 

[PraetorianGuards]

Need to get one of these for SETI

 

[Pariah]

How much is Intel going to charge for these? I just looked at their pricelist and the 2.8GHz (and 2GHz for some odd reason) Xeon MP with 2MB L3 is listed at $3692. There's no way they could sell any of those to enthusiasts at that price and 3.2GHz P4 has a 200MHz clock boost. Dropping 1MB of L3 off and the 2GHz version lists at $1177, a significant cost reduction but still beyond even enthusiasts.

 

[beatle]

Originally posted by: Pariah
How much is Intel going to charge for these? I just looked at their pricelist and the 2.8GHz (and 2GHz for some odd reason) Xeon MP with 2MB L3 is listed at $3692. There's no way they could sell any of those to enthusiasts at that price and 3.2GHz P4 has a 200MHz clock boost. Dropping 1MB of L3 off and the 2GHz version lists at $1177, a significant cost reduction but still beyond even enthusiasts.

Xeons also support SMP whereas this chip wouldn't. I wonder how much of that price premium is "fluff" and how much of it is required for manufacturing the chip with extra cache. This would determine how cheap we might see these chips.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: beatle

Originally posted by: Pariah
How much is Intel going to charge for these? I just looked at their pricelist and the 2.8GHz (and 2GHz for some odd reason) Xeon MP with 2MB L3 is listed at $3692. There's no way they could sell any of those to enthusiasts at that price and 3.2GHz P4 has a 200MHz clock boost. Dropping 1MB of L3 off and the 2GHz version lists at $1177, a significant cost reduction but still beyond even enthusiasts.

Xeons also support SMP whereas this chip wouldn't. I wonder how much of that price premium is "fluff" and how much of it is required for manufacturing the chip with extra cache. This would determine how cheap we might see these chips.

** Wingz is waiting patiently for the "It only costs a few dollars to manufacture a cpu" statement. **

 

[Pariah]

The regular 3.06 Xeon with 512KB cache is $455, while the standard 3.06 P4 is $401. So you're not paying much for SMP capability. The price hikes are all in the cache. The regular 3.06 Xeon with 1MB L2 is $690, a $245 boost for an additional 512KB L2.