Pentagon will sell F-14 Tomcat parts to Iran

DaveSimmons

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"In one case, convicted middlemen for Iran bought Tomcat parts from the Defense Department's surplus division. Customs agents confiscated them and returned them to the Pentagon, which sold them again ? customs evidence tags still attached ? to another buyer, a suspected broker for Iran.

"That would be evidence of a significant breakdown, in my view, in controls and processes," said Greg Kutz, the Government Accountability Office's head of special investigations. "It shouldn't happen the first time, let alone the second time."

A Defense Department official, Fred Baillie, said his agency followed procedures.

"The fact that those individuals chose to violate the law and the fact that the customs people caught them really indicates that the process is working," said Baillie, the Defense Logistics Agency's executive director of distribution. "Customs is supposed to check all exports to make sure that all the appropriate certifications and licenses had been granted."

The Pentagon recently retired its Tomcats and is shipping tens of thousands of spare parts to its surplus office ? the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service ? where they could be sold in public auctions. Iran is the only other country flying F-14s."

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What incompetent idiots at the Pentagon think it's anything other than insane to sell F-14 parts that have only one market - Iran?

No matter who buys the parts, according to the quote above we know who the final buyer will be.

We may catch some of the parts on their way there, but hoping to do so seems incredibly irresponsible. The sane response would be to mothball the parts for now, or even destroy them.
 

K1052

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They should just crate them all up and send them out to the Davis Monthan boneyard.
 

Aimster

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U.S should send all the F-14s to Iran.

The aircraft is useless against our aircraft. This would have been a big concern had this been 1981.

We retire aircraft for a reason. They are blah.
Soon we'll retire F-15s and F-16s.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S should send all the F-14s to Iran.

The aircraft is useless against our aircraft. This would have been a big concern had this been 1981.

We retire aircraft for a reason. They are blah.
Soon we'll retire F-15s and F-16s.

The F-14 was retired because it was a lot more expensive to maintain than the F-18, not because it's an outdated aircraft.
 

trenchfoot

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A Defense Department official, Fred Baillie, said his agency followed procedures.

in other words: "i don't give a sh$t who i sell this stuff to. my job is to sell this stuff. i don't card people before i sell either, it's not my job. i will sell our assets to osama bin laden and any other enemy of the USA who wants to play. it's up to somebody else to stop the sale, not me. i don't want to make my job any more difficult than it is."

sounds like another appointee that bush personally endorsed.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S should send all the F-14s to Iran.

The aircraft is useless against our aircraft. This would have been a big concern had this been 1981.

We retire aircraft for a reason. They are blah.
Soon we'll retire F-15s and F-16s.

What an ignorant statement. The Tomcat filled a roll that it did very well, fleet defense and interception. As a close-in fighter they are very very good aircraft, especially once armed with the Phoenix missile. F-15's are still an awesome platform that can't really be completely replaced.

People like you said that the A-10 was obsolete 10 years ago, which is very far from the truth.

As mentioned above, the F-14 was retired because they were more expensive and more specialized than the F-18, not to mention not being stealthy like the newer Super Hornet. A lot of people bemoaned the thought of a fleet not defended by the 14.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: tweaker2
A Defense Department official, Fred Baillie, said his agency followed procedures.

in other words: "i don't give a sh$t who i sell this stuff to. my job is to sell this stuff. i don't card people before i sell either, it's not my job. i will sell our assets to osama bin laden and any other enemy of the USA who wants to play. it's up to somebody else to stop the sale, not me. i don't want to make my job any more difficult than it is."

sounds like another appointee that bush personally endorsed.

Sounds like most government employees in general actually.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: tweaker2
A Defense Department official, Fred Baillie, said his agency followed procedures.

in other words: "i don't give a sh$t who i sell this stuff to. my job is to sell this stuff. i don't card people before i sell either, it's not my job. i will sell our assets to osama bin laden and any other enemy of the USA who wants to play. it's up to somebody else to stop the sale, not me. i don't want to make my job any more difficult than it is."

sounds like another appointee that bush personally endorsed.

Sounds like most government employees in general actually.

Yep, as a former governmnet employee I can verify this is the case.

 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S should send all the F-14s to Iran.

The aircraft is useless against our aircraft. This would have been a big concern had this been 1981.

We retire aircraft for a reason. They are blah.
Soon we'll retire F-15s and F-16s.

What an ignorant statement. The Tomcat filled a roll that it did very well, fleet defense and interception. As a close-in fighter they are very very good aircraft, especially once armed with the Phoenix missile. F-15's are still an awesome platform that can't really be completely replaced.

People like you said that the A-10 was obsolete 10 years ago, which is very far from the truth.

As mentioned above, the F-14 was retired because they were more expensive and more specialized than the F-18, not to mention not being stealthy like the newer Super Hornet. A lot of people bemoaned the thought of a fleet not defended by the 14.

QFT.

The Tomkats were requiring like 10 times the manhours to maintain over the Hornet.

F-14's have also been adapted for ground attack and did it quite well. It's a fine aircraft and I don't think we should be enabling the Iranians to bolster their defense in any way.
 

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Don't worry, when we invade we'll make sure we bring up how they have "state of the art" aircraft and thus pose a threat to the world.
 

Aimster

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so you are saying the F-14 iss actually useful in today's world?

So an F-14 vs an upgrade Mig-29. Who would win?
 

Arcex

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Originally posted by: Aimster
so you are saying the F-14 iss actually useful in today's world?

So an F-14 vs an upgrade Mig-29. Who would win?

Better question, an F-14 versus a 747, who would win?

How about we don't give deadly and capable offensive weaponry to a country that is not an ally. If Iran wants the planes, they should start bargaining to become our allies, then we can talk.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Arcex
Originally posted by: Aimster
so you are saying the F-14 iss actually useful in today's world?

So an F-14 vs an upgrade Mig-29. Who would win?

Better question, an F-14 versus a 747, who would win?

How about we don't give deadly and capable offensive weaponry to a country that is not an ally. If Iran wants the planes, they should start bargaining to become our allies, then we can talk.

Iran's F-14 is not their most advanced aircraft.

My point was an F-14 cannot go up against a Mig-29 which Iran has and which could possibly be upgraded with the recent Russian tech deal. so..wtf is the point of having an F-14 in the U.S fleet if it wont be able to go against an Iranian mig?

Forget Iran, what about all the other nations with Su-27s, etc. F-14 stands no chance.

F-14 was great , but it is not great in 2007.
Unless I am missing something about how wonderful an F-14 is against Russian aircraft.
 

Pens1566

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F-14s would kill an Iranian Mig29 or Su27 long before the Iranian could even get off a shot. Phoenix missile FTW.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
F-14s would kill an Iranian Mig29 or Su27 long before the Iranian could even get off a shot. Phoenix missile FTW.

Agreed, somehow I think he missed that part.
 

dahunan

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this is one reason why the US is hated and distrusted.. total hypocrisy

Yes, lets sell weapons parts to the "AXIS OF EVIL" :p

We are complete money whores
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Arcex
Originally posted by: Aimster
so you are saying the F-14 iss actually useful in today's world?

So an F-14 vs an upgrade Mig-29. Who would win?

Better question, an F-14 versus a 747, who would win?

How about we don't give deadly and capable offensive weaponry to a country that is not an ally. If Iran wants the planes, they should start bargaining to become our allies, then we can talk.

Iran's F-14 is not their most advanced aircraft.

My point was an F-14 cannot go up against a Mig-29 which Iran has and which could possibly be upgraded with the recent Russian tech deal. so..wtf is the point of having an F-14 in the U.S fleet if it wont be able to go against an Iranian mig?

Forget Iran, what about all the other nations with Su-27s, etc. F-14 stands no chance.

F-14 was great , but it is not great in 2007.
Unless I am missing something about how wonderful an F-14 is against Russian aircraft.

I'm sorry to say this, but you are. I have been a military history/aviation buff for as long as I could read and write, and after studying mountains of info & accounts of combat engagements, there is something undeniable about modern aircraft in combat :

It's not the plane, it's the capability of the armaments delivery and control system to engage and destroy enemy aircraft from a distance. Better armaments = the win. Of course certain aircraft are not upgraded with the requisite avionics & control system to integrate with the most modern armaments, but it's not that hard to upgrade.

AWACS and satellite guidance takes it to a whole new level, and when you have that kind of air superiority, plane (A), let's say an F-14 for instance, can launch it's missiles at targets (B), (C), (D), and (E), at a much greater range than could normally be achieved, due to the presence of (X)- the AWACS asset.

Dogfighting is near-obsolete, but you can loosely rank the best common aircraft as follows :

(1)- F16/Mig29
(2)- F15
(3)- SU27/30
(4)- F18
(5)- F14

This is very subjective, and just a rough analysis of the capability of the airframes. When it comes to dogfighting (rare!!!!), the quality of the pilot makes all the difference in the world.

In any case, a quality F14 pilot with quality weapons and guidance systems will run with the best. In today's world, the US dominates in these areas.

(1)- Best pilots/training
(2)- Best weapons
(3)- Best delivery and control systems
(4)- Best ECM/protective tech

ETC

I'm no flag-waving zealot by any means, but I have to hand it to our Navy and Air Force, they are the best trained, best equipped, highest performing groups on the planet in their respective fields. This excellence exists at almost every level of their jobs and materials. I guess when we spend as freaking much as we do, *some*thing is bound to get done right once in a while ;)
 

Aimster

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so you all are saying that Iran's F-14s with 1970s tech is a threat for Israel's 90s tech F-16s?
 

Zorba

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Are there going to be any private F-14s? If they are going to all the private sale of F-14s, then someone might want to buy boxes and boxes of spares. My guess is that it will be a long time before we see a privately owned F-14s, but I am not sure about that.
 

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Originally posted by: Aimster
so you all are saying that Iran's F-14s with 1970s tech is a threat for Israel's 90s tech F-16s?

If Iran can buy F-14's from the US and AA defense systems from Russia then I'd say it's a safe bet they can buy air to air or air to surface weapons that could do a lot of damage to a lot of countries. Let's limit their options by not providing them with a capable aircraft that can be upgraded to a level that could prove dangerous to us or our allies.
 

dahunan

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Does anyone ever feel just a deep sense of helplessness when we read stories like this?

BTW, why in the hell would Iran buy anything from us after all the bullshit we have been threatening them with.. seems the F-14 parts must be pretty valuable to them???
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Does anyone ever feel just a deep sense of helplessness when we read stories like this?

Not at all, the only question is, what is worth more? The profit from the sale of the F14 parts or the cost of the missile from the F22 Raptor that destroys the F14?
 

Zorba

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: dahunan
Does anyone ever feel just a deep sense of helplessness when we read stories like this?

Not at all, the only question is, what is worth more? The profit from the sale of the F14 parts or the cost of the missile from the F22 Raptor that destroys the F14?


The missile would cost A LOT more than we are going to get from those parts. Have you ever looked at the costs of missiles?