Pentagon says Chinese vessels harassed U.S. ship

[GroundedSailor]

More info with pictures of the confrontation

China is now using the exclusive economic zones excuse for harassing the ship.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
More info with pictures of the confrontation

China is now using the exclusive economic zones excuse for harassing the ship.

Because a Navy vessel is doing so much "pro-economic activity" for the US in the South China Sea :roll:. If they wanted to bitch about it, at least be like "they were sitting there to spy on our nearby, secret, underground naval base."

 

[Genx87]

If that constitutes the Chinese navy Taiwan has little to fear.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Genx87
If that constitutes the Chinese navy Taiwan has little to fear.

If you read the caption you would know they are trawlers, i.e., fishing boats. and while not big ones they are larger than the average fishing boats found in US waters.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
More info with pictures of the confrontation

China is now using the exclusive economic zones excuse for harassing the ship.

Because a Navy vessel is doing so much "pro-economic activity" for the US in the South China Sea :roll:. If they wanted to bitch about it, at least be like "they were sitting there to spy on our nearby, secret, underground naval base."

We should declare the US to be an "exclusive economic zone" and stop importing products from China that threaten or have killed US industry.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
More info with pictures of the confrontation

China is now using the exclusive economic zones excuse for harassing the ship.

Because a Navy vessel is doing so much "pro-economic activity" for the US in the South China Sea :roll:. If they wanted to bitch about it, at least be like "they were sitting there to spy on our nearby, secret, underground naval base."

We should declare the US to be an "exclusive economic zone" and stop importing products from China that threaten or have killed US industry.

And then China would call in our debts and send both nations and possibly the world spiralling downwards... as well as making us hypocritical assholes but whatev...

I don't see why this is news. Goverments need a fucking sense of humor.
Oh noes they made us stop and mooned us!!1!! Lets bomb them!

Jesus if we, personally, did this in real life there would be a lot less teenagers.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
More info with pictures of the confrontation

China is now using the exclusive economic zones excuse for harassing the ship.

Because a Navy vessel is doing so much "pro-economic activity" for the US in the South China Sea :roll:. If they wanted to bitch about it, at least be like "they were sitting there to spy on our nearby, secret, underground naval base."

We should declare the US to be an "exclusive economic zone" and stop importing products from China that threaten or have killed US industry.

And then China would call in our debts and send both nations and possibly the world spiralling downwards... as well as making us hypocritical assholes but whatev...

I don't see why this is news. Goverments need a fucking sense of humor.
Oh noes they made us stop and mooned us!!1!! Lets bomb them!

Jesus if we, personally, did this in real life there would be a lot less teenagers.

They can't "call" in our debts. That's a silly point people try to make in order to sound smart. Our debt isn't callable, it is term debt that can either not be rolled upon maturity, or be sold in the open market. if they sell it in the open market they'll just be killing themselves because they couldn't hope to sell it fast enough before they take huge losses of their own. Accordingly, as our debt is sold, we could just buy it up and retire it for far less than it is valued at par.

In the end, they'd be out hundreds of billions, their foreign currency reserves would be wasted, their economy would be destroyed, and all that'd really happen to us is we'd have a momentary blip in our currency and we'd actually be hundreds of billions less in debt.

Go ahead, make my day.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller


They can't "call" in our debts. That's a silly point people try to make in order to sound smart. Our debt isn't callable, it is term debt that can either not be rolled upon maturity, or be sold in the open market. if they sell it in the open market they'll just be killing themselves because they couldn't hope to sell it fast enough before they take huge losses of their own. Accordingly, as our debt is sold, we could just buy it up and retire it for far less than it is valued at par.

In the end, they'd be out hundreds of billions, their foreign currency reserves would be wasted, their economy would be destroyed, and all that'd really happen to us is we'd have a momentary blip in our currency and we'd actually be hundreds of billions less in debt.

Go ahead, make my day.

Okay, admittedly i don't know much about that whole situation and i guess i shouldn't have posted that but that wasn't my point.

Is it really good for us to destroy another country? I was trying to point out the folly of that whole argument of 'if you do this, we'll do that'.

Imo people and their goverments need to stop being so fucking hostile towards each other and then maybe, just maybe instead of starting wars we could smoke a bowl (again not exactly serious but that's sorta my point...)

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: LegendKiller


They can't "call" in our debts. That's a silly point people try to make in order to sound smart. Our debt isn't callable, it is term debt that can either not be rolled upon maturity, or be sold in the open market. if they sell it in the open market they'll just be killing themselves because they couldn't hope to sell it fast enough before they take huge losses of their own. Accordingly, as our debt is sold, we could just buy it up and retire it for far less than it is valued at par.

In the end, they'd be out hundreds of billions, their foreign currency reserves would be wasted, their economy would be destroyed, and all that'd really happen to us is we'd have a momentary blip in our currency and we'd actually be hundreds of billions less in debt.

Go ahead, make my day.

Okay, admittedly i don't know much about that whole situation and i guess i shouldn't have posted that but that wasn't my point.

Is it really good for us to destroy another country? I was trying to point out the folly of that whole argument of 'if you do this, we'll do that'.

Imo people and their goverments need to stop being so fucking hostile towards each other and then maybe, just maybe instead of starting wars we could smoke a bowl (again not exactly serious but that's sorta my point...)

BETTER THEM THAN US.

That said, this is just cat and mouse games which have been going on between Russia and the West for decades. If China wants to be a big boy they should stop crying like babies and just play the game.

I'll be disappointed if "Black Hoover" Barack apologizes or "expresses regret." China thinks it can bully by throwing hissy fits whenever something doesn't go it's way, like the Dalai Lama. That, and they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
BETTER THEM THAN US.

That said, this is just cat and mouse games which have been going on between Russia and the West for decades. If China wants to be a big boy they should stop crying like babies and just play the game.

I'll be disappointed if "Black Hoover" Barack apologizes or "expresses regret." China thinks it can bully by throwing hissy fits whenever something doesn't go it's way, like the Dalai Lama. That, and they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

"Black Hoover"? That's rich.

 

[Sacrilege]

I may have been harsh to the PLAN on the verge of their 60th anniversary, so I will give them some conciliatory praise.

Their antics to snag the USN ship's towed array are definitely original. And dropping pieces of wood in the path of the array also garners some bonus points.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: LegendKiller


They can't "call" in our debts. That's a silly point people try to make in order to sound smart. Our debt isn't callable, it is term debt that can either not be rolled upon maturity, or be sold in the open market. if they sell it in the open market they'll just be killing themselves because they couldn't hope to sell it fast enough before they take huge losses of their own. Accordingly, as our debt is sold, we could just buy it up and retire it for far less than it is valued at par.

In the end, they'd be out hundreds of billions, their foreign currency reserves would be wasted, their economy would be destroyed, and all that'd really happen to us is we'd have a momentary blip in our currency and we'd actually be hundreds of billions less in debt.

Go ahead, make my day.

Okay, admittedly i don't know much about that whole situation and i guess i shouldn't have posted that but that wasn't my point.

Is it really good for us to destroy another country? I was trying to point out the folly of that whole argument of 'if you do this, we'll do that'.

Imo people and their goverments need to stop being so fucking hostile towards each other and then maybe, just maybe instead of starting wars we could smoke a bowl (again not exactly serious but that's sorta my point...)

BETTER THEM THAN US.

That said, this is just cat and mouse games which have been going on between Russia and the West for decades. If China wants to be a big boy they should stop crying like babies and just play the game.

I'll be disappointed if "Black Hoover" Barack apologizes or "expresses regret." China thinks it can bully by throwing hissy fits whenever something doesn't go it's way, like the Dalai Lama. That, and they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

How did you manage to summon the ignorance to answer a yes or no question with a retarted cliche?

Uh we complained first dipshit (yea an attack you can understand). Instead of polishing your shotgun pay more attention to your english teacher.

That is all.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

The Chinese crewmembers disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet.

Wtf!

:music:

In the navy!...

:music:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

You sound like another nutcase from N.Carolina.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: LegendKiller


They can't "call" in our debts. That's a silly point people try to make in order to sound smart. Our debt isn't callable, it is term debt that can either not be rolled upon maturity, or be sold in the open market. if they sell it in the open market they'll just be killing themselves because they couldn't hope to sell it fast enough before they take huge losses of their own. Accordingly, as our debt is sold, we could just buy it up and retire it for far less than it is valued at par.

In the end, they'd be out hundreds of billions, their foreign currency reserves would be wasted, their economy would be destroyed, and all that'd really happen to us is we'd have a momentary blip in our currency and we'd actually be hundreds of billions less in debt.

Go ahead, make my day.

Okay, admittedly i don't know much about that whole situation and i guess i shouldn't have posted that but that wasn't my point.

Is it really good for us to destroy another country? I was trying to point out the folly of that whole argument of 'if you do this, we'll do that'.

Imo people and their goverments need to stop being so fucking hostile towards each other and then maybe, just maybe instead of starting wars we could smoke a bowl (again not exactly serious but that's sorta my point...)

BETTER THEM THAN US.

That said, this is just cat and mouse games which have been going on between Russia and the West for decades. If China wants to be a big boy they should stop crying like babies and just play the game.

I'll be disappointed if "Black Hoover" Barack apologizes or "expresses regret." China thinks it can bully by throwing hissy fits whenever something doesn't go it's way, like the Dalai Lama. That, and they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

How did you manage to summon the ignorance to answer a yes or no question with a retarted cliche?

Uh we complained first dipshit (yea an attack you can understand). Instead of polishing your shotgun pay more attention to your english teacher.

That is all.

So you pick China over America... I see.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

You sound like another nutcase from N.Carolina.

I take it my comment struck a nerve.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
they know they have legions of liberal sympathizers in the West who have White Man's Guilt and think "the colored is always right."

You sound like another nutcase from N.Carolina.

I take it my comment struck a nerve.

Well isn't that what you trolls try to do?

 

[AndrewR]

[edit] Freely admit I botched that! Can't explain why, unfortunately.

Secondly, the Chinese actions were in direct contravention of international law regarding the free movement of vessels in international waters, just as they were in direct contravention of international law in the interception and downing of the P-3 aircraft AND just as they violated international customs when denying a US Navy vessel safe harbor in the face of a typhoon not long ago. The Chinese government has consistently shown a disregard for international law with regard to the US military, and their actions reinforce the opinion that the Chinese government will never be a world power that deserves respect. Despite all of the issues with Russia over the years, they never pulled this kind of crap and still don't today. The difference is that the Russians are professionals while these Chinese yahoos are a bunch of rank amateurs.

The closest analog is the North Koreans. The comparison is hardly flattering.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: AndrewR
First off, it wasn't "trolling for submarines" as that idiotic article above says and some others have said as well. Why would we send a small, minimally manned civilian-operated vessel to troll for foreign submarines? That's ridiculous. The US Navy has invested billions in ASW aircraft (helos and fixed wing), surface vessels, and submarines for the detection and tracking of adversary submarines so why would we send civilians to practice those techniques? It makes ZERO sense from any perspective because it gains ZERO advantage. Fine, we know a sub is operating HERE...big f---ing deal! We're not going to kill it, and it can move quite rapidly.

Secondly, the Chinese actions were in direct contravention of international law regarding the free movement of vessels in international waters, just as they were in direct contravention of international law in the interception and downing of the P-3 aircraft AND just as they violated international customs when denying a US Navy vessel safe harbor in the face of a typhoon not long ago. The Chinese government has consistently shown a disregard for international law with regard to the US military, and their actions reinforce the opinion that the Chinese government will never be a world power that deserves respect. Despite all of the issues with Russia over the years, they never pulled this kind of crap and still don't today. The difference is that the Russians are professionals while these Chinese yahoos are a bunch of rank amateurs.

The closest analog is the North Koreans. The comparison is hardly flattering.

laff

Thanks for my daily lulz

EDIT: I'll provide more reasoning as to why you're an idiot, because I'm feeling nice.

First off, what evidence/proof/knowledge do you have that it wasn't trolling for subs? You have not provided any credible sources stating that was not the case. If it wasn't trolling for subs, why would the Chinese be trying to use their hooks to snag it and throw wood in front of its path?

Next, it's a military ship with some civilian crew. Per wikipedia it has 25 military and 25 civilians on board. You may want to do some research on a topic before you speak on it.

Third, aircraft (helos/fixed wing) have limited range. Also it's cheaper to use a boat, then fly missions. They can linger as long as they want, where aircraft have a limited ability to stay in an area and monitor them.

Fourth, the Impeccable is a Navy ship manned by the military and civilians. It's not just civilians as you claim.

Finally, a surface ship has the ability to monitor the area for as long as we choose to have it monitor the area. That means we can see how many subs, what types, etc are in the area. We want to know where other nations assets are at all times. Since we can't know at all times, we do the best we can which is what the Impeccable was doing. If a war was to break out, the knowledge that say 5 Chinese subs are in that area (and what subs they are) can be invaluable.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: AndrewR
First off, it wasn't "trolling for submarines" as that idiotic article above says and some others have said as well. Why would we send a small, minimally manned civilian-operated vessel to troll for foreign submarines? That's ridiculous. The US Navy has invested billions in ASW aircraft (helos and fixed wing), surface vessels, and submarines for the detection and tracking of adversary submarines so why would we send civilians to practice those techniques? It makes ZERO sense from any perspective because it gains ZERO advantage. Fine, we know a sub is operating HERE...big f---ing deal! We're not going to kill it, and it can move quite rapidly.

Secondly, the Chinese actions were in direct contravention of international law regarding the free movement of vessels in international waters, just as they were in direct contravention of international law in the interception and downing of the P-3 aircraft AND just as they violated international customs when denying a US Navy vessel safe harbor in the face of a typhoon not long ago. The Chinese government has consistently shown a disregard for international law with regard to the US military, and their actions reinforce the opinion that the Chinese government will never be a world power that deserves respect. Despite all of the issues with Russia over the years, they never pulled this kind of crap and still don't today. The difference is that the Russians are professionals while these Chinese yahoos are a bunch of rank amateurs.

The closest analog is the North Koreans. The comparison is hardly flattering.

Are you a fucking retard? That ship is *DESIGNED* to track submarines, read about it. Just because it can't kill it doesn't mean it can't understand performance charactaristics, understand where it is going, what it might be doing then, or get a better idea of training and tactics.

That's why it is called an intelligence gathering platform. Obviously you don't even understand what intelligence is because you lack it yourself.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: AndrewR
First off, it wasn't "trolling for submarines" as that idiotic article above says and some others have said as well. Why would we send a small, minimally manned civilian-operated vessel to troll for foreign submarines? That's ridiculous. The US Navy has invested billions in ASW aircraft (helos and fixed wing), surface vessels, and submarines for the detection and tracking of adversary submarines so why would we send civilians to practice those techniques? It makes ZERO sense from any perspective because it gains ZERO advantage. Fine, we know a sub is operating HERE...big f---ing deal! We're not going to kill it, and it can move quite rapidly.

Secondly, the Chinese actions were in direct contravention of international law regarding the free movement of vessels in international waters, just as they were in direct contravention of international law in the interception and downing of the P-3 aircraft AND just as they violated international customs when denying a US Navy vessel safe harbor in the face of a typhoon not long ago. The Chinese government has consistently shown a disregard for international law with regard to the US military, and their actions reinforce the opinion that the Chinese government will never be a world power that deserves respect. Despite all of the issues with Russia over the years, they never pulled this kind of crap and still don't today. The difference is that the Russians are professionals while these Chinese yahoos are a bunch of rank amateurs.

The closest analog is the North Koreans. The comparison is hardly flattering.

To copy Lupi (who BTW still hasn't responded to my post):
"wow, you really don't know much about routine intelligence ops do you. "

 

[Newbian]

Well they were getting sprayed with hoses so maybe they stripped for a quick shower.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Newbian
Well they were getting sprayed with hoses so maybe they stripped for a quick shower.

Well it might be a once in a year oppertunity for them


jk

 

[wwswimming]

what a bunch of bullsh*t. the US vessel was a 300 foot sub-watcher, military & military
contractors working for various intelligence agencies. positioned directly off the Chinese
Coast. here's a pic
http://antiwar.com/justin/impeccable.jpg

the Chinese boats were 4 small boats and one 100 foot trawler.
http://antiwar.com/justin/chinaboat1.jpg
http://antiwar.com/justin/chinaboat2.jpg

what would the US do if the tables were reversed, and China stuck a 300 foot
sub watcher 100 miles off the shore of San Diego, where the Navy has numerous
bases ?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: wwswimming
what a bunch of bullsh*t. the US vessel was a 300 foot sub-watcher, military & military
contractors working for various intelligence agencies. positioned directly off the Chinese
Coast. here's a pic
http://antiwar.com/justin/impeccable.jpg

the Chinese boats were 4 small boats and one 100 foot trawler.
http://antiwar.com/justin/chinaboat1.jpg
http://antiwar.com/justin/chinaboat2.jpg

what would the US do if the tables were reversed, and China stuck a 300 foot
sub watcher 100 miles off the shore of San Diego, where the Navy has numerous
bases ?

I think the issue is how the Chinese behaved.

Trying to create an incident by stopping in front of the vessel forcing evasive action.

Had the US ship rolled over the Chinese vessel, the Chinese would have raised a stink (similar to the P3 incident).

Cat & mouse is acceptable and understood in the military intelligence gathering arena.
The gentleman's agreement is that you do not endanger your vessel or any that is shadowing you.

Collisions were avoided during the cold war with Russia - yet the Chinese have now twice created the an incident - once to it's loss of an aircraft - the other could have coasted a ship.

The rules of the sea is that the larger ship has the right of way. The Chinese deliberately broke that rule in international waters.