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Pentagon grounds entire F-35 Joint Strike Fighter fleet

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unokitty said:
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Watch 1.4 billion of your tax dollars burn up in Guam. (Youtube Video)

This is an old dog soldier that isn't impressed by 1.4 billion dollar aircraft that can't operate from any where except a single AFB with air conditioned hangers.

F-35 might be good for politicians that want to bring part of the estimated $1.45 trillion federal dollars back to their districts so that they can win re-election.

Doesn't seem so good for winning the type of wars that we have now.

Confident that these gold plated defense projects will be no more effective in the next war than battleships were in WWII.

Disappointed that that $1.45 trillion dollars isn't being put to better use...

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army 69-71
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The b2s should have uses in strategic strikes in contested or sam infested airspaces. Otherwise they are not meant to replace the b52s. And battleships were never horrible in World War 2. In fact they were never more vulnerable to air power than any other ship. Naval Warfare just switched over to aircraft carriers protected by anti air frigates and possibly submarines. In fact Battleships often fought in World War 2 naval battles against the Japanese I believe.
 
norseamd said:
The b2s should have uses in strategic strikes in contested or sam infested airspaces. Otherwise they are not meant to replace the b52s. And battleships were never horrible in World War 2. In fact they were never more vulnerable to air power than any other ship. Naval Warfare just switched over to aircraft carriers protected by anti air frigates and possibly submarines. In fact Battleships often fought in World War 2 naval battles against the Japanese I believe.
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battleships were common in WW2, but the development of the aircraft carrier spelled the doom of the battleship.
 
Most things the Marines push for are stupid and overpriced for many years now as far as air wise, I used to be an Air Wing Marine myself.

The Ospreys were even in development or talked about in the early/mid 1980's, look how successfully that program sucked up money for something that still does not operate right.

*shrug*

I agree on Dwight, Eisenhower was one of the last Presidents who truly made sense.

B-52's are my babies, I do not do work with them these days, but I did for a long time.
 
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MongGrel said:
The Ospreys were even in development or talked about in the early/mid 1980's, look how successfully that program sucked up money for something that still does not operate right.
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I was surprised they even gave one to HMX-1...though they don't let the President fly on it.
 
OverVolt said:
I didn't even think the F-35 could shoot anything until they get the helmet working since it has no HUD. Grounded from what? Leisure test flights?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7128066/Why-F-35-pilots-have-the-jitters



Reminds me of all the biology behind how vision works...its a bad idea
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Unfortunately for the plane's designers, jitter and buffeting are only part of the problems undermining the visor's use. The others are a persistent delay in displaying key sensor data - making the visor symbols outdated as the aircraft streaks through the air at speeds up to 3000kmh - and an inability to show night vision readings properly.
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From the text : 3000km/h ?

I must be getting old.
 
The plane has had no difficulty being launched by catapults, a key prerequisite for its use by the Navy aboard aircraft carriers. But so far, it has not been able to use its tailhook to catch a cable and stop suddenly - which is also, well, crucial for operations on an aircraft carrier. Generally speaking, Navy pilots need a place to land when their missions are complete.
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yea landing is kind of inportant.
 
Broheim said:
the Gen 3 HMDS fixes that, at least in the future it will (it's not perfect yet but getting there), they're confident enough that BAE stopped working on an alternative.
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BAE must be huge. They have that image of that silent incredible powerful company that has influences everywhere. Military, space equipment such as satellites and exploration, aviation. I wonder what else they are doing.
 
unokitty said:
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Watch 1.4 billion of your tax dollars burn up in Guam. (Youtube Video)

This is an old dog soldier that isn't impressed by 1.4 billion dollar aircraft that can't operate from any where except a single AFB with air conditioned hangers.

F-35 might be good for politicians that want to bring part of the estimated $1.45 trillion federal dollars back to their districts so that they can win re-election.

Doesn't seem so good for winning the type of wars that we have now.

Confident that these gold plated defense projects will be no more effective in the next war than battleships were in WWII.

Disappointed that that $1.45 trillion dollars isn't being put to better use...

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army 69-71
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To be fair battleships were already built or on the way to being built when the world realized that any ship was vulnerable to air attack, also the "Iowa" class battleship's AA defense was so sound they often accompanied aircraft carriers during WW2 to provide AA defense and protection from other surface craft. After WW2 no one built any more battleships. As for this mess, yea, it's cutting-edge technology but after spending $400 BILLION developing this plane what a nightmare and colossal waste of $$, why do we need this OR the F-22 when the good 'ol F-18 still has a perfect combat record and does not need to be replaced by a POS that can't even shoot at a target yet after 7+ years of time and boatload of cash has been spent on it. Meanwhile the highway infrastructure, the power grid infrastructure in the US has gone to shit and this $$ could have gone into modernizing and repairing both of these extremely important but severely neglected systems..
 
Why the hell are we building uber expensive manned planes now when we could build multiple drones with similar capabilities for the same price?
 
Darwin333 said:
Why the hell are we building uber expensive manned planes now when we could build multiple drones with similar capabilities for the same price?
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Drones are vulnerable to having their communications cut.

Disable one satellite and suddenly your entire fleet is useless. Oops.
 
MongGrel said:
Most things the Marines push for are stupid and overpriced for many years now as far as air wise, I used to be an Air Wing Marine myself.

The Ospreys were even in development or talked about in the early/mid 1980's, look how successfully that program sucked up money for something that still does not operate right.

*shrug*

I agree on Dwight, Eisenhower was one of the last Presidents who truly made sense.

B-52's are my babies, I do not do work with them these days, but I did for a long time.
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Perhaps you know of the UN secretary general Dag Hammarskjold? Or what about Patrice Lumumba?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Hammarskjöld

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba
 
BUTCH1 said:
To be fair battleships were already built or on the way to being built when the world realized that any ship was vulnerable to air attack, also the "Iowa" class battleship's AA defense was so sound they often accompanied aircraft carriers during WW2 to provide AA defense and protection from other surface craft. After WW2 no one built any more battleships. As for this mess, yea, it's cutting-edge technology but after spending $400 BILLION developing this plane what a nightmare and colossal waste of $$, why do we need this OR the F-22 when the good 'ol F-18 still has a perfect combat record and does not need to be replaced by a POS that can't even shoot at a target yet after 7+ years of time and boatload of cash has been spent on it. Meanwhile the highway infrastructure, the power grid infrastructure in the US has gone to shit and this $$ could have gone into modernizing and repairing both of these extremely important but severely neglected systems..
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Because the Russians and Chinese are both running flyable 5th generation fighter prototypes and they will have them in production by the next 5 years or less.
 
tynopik said:
Drones are vulnerable to having their communications cut.

Disable one satellite and suddenly your entire fleet is useless. Oops.
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Why not build intelligence into the drone, so that it could determine it's own targets and fire on them if need be? Perhaps even creating an artificial sentience would serve it well in that case.
 
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