Pentagon Advisory Board - "French no longer an ally."

[Judgement]

The French have a different definition of ally, to them it means "you better help us when we want it, but if you want help don't count on us... we have better things to do".

The rest of the world seems to understand that ally is a two-way street though. I hope Germany doesn't get sucked down to France's level when it comes to world conflicts.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: axiom
EU influence buddy.

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=21926

Again, where is the evidence? Only thing I could see in that article was that US claims Europe is forcing African nations to reject GM-food. All I see are claims made by US-officials, I see zero evidence.

Is there ANY evidence that you will accept? Any link that can be posted, you will just claim the same thing or you will say it's biased.

good point. and i have yet to see Nemesis77 provide any proof to support his "beliefs." I believe the proper term to use regarding Nemesis is "pwn3d"?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Judgement
The French have a different definition of ally, to them it means "you better help us when we want it, but if you want help don't count on us... we have better things to do".

The rest of the world seems to understand that ally is a two-way street though. I hope Germany doesn't get sucked down to France's level when it comes to world conflicts.

sadly it looks like thats whats happening

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: axiom
EU influence buddy.

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=21926

Again, where is the evidence? Only thing I could see in that article was that US claims Europe is forcing African nations to reject GM-food. All I see are claims made by US-officials, I see zero evidence.

Well to be honest, it is in Africas interest to rejct GM food - it would make them even more dependent and they could never feed their ppl without buying crops from the US (west in general) - sure that would be great for the respective companies..... just not for the starving africans.

 

[B00ne]

Another fact for the bashers of the german opposition: Our constitution demands the opposition. Would we participate we would break our Constitution as well as International law. What shall we do, participate and then turn ourslfs in to the international court? Have our constitution mean nothing?

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: axiom
Show me yours and I will show you mine.

Europe blocks aid to Africa

Ummm, africans turned down the GGM-food, how exactly is that Europes fault? Sure, the US accuses Europe for that, but where's the evidence?

The US has accused Europe of leaning on poor countries and threatening to withdraw economic aid unless they prohibit modified crops.

Yes, so? US has accused of EU doing that, but that accusation doesn't make it fact. Or do you blindly believe everything US says?

Many in Europe (and in USA as well) say that US is going to Iraq for the oil. By your logic, that makes that statement true.

And Russia and France are against war because they HAVE oil contracts with iraq, so they are against the war for oil. So dont say the US is for war ONLY for oil, because you fail to bring up evidence that some countries--France and Russia, profit from sadam being in power.

 

[Dari]

why the fawk would africans want GM food? Their asses should able to make their own food with all that fertile land.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: axiom
Nemesis77: STFU right now. You are making yourself out to be an hypocrit. You claim the US is basing their Iraq response on their own self interests yet you know this is theory, but if someone else presents a theory you trash it. Don't thrash the same methods you employ.

I honestly don't see what's wrong for a country to base its views on its self interests. If I was in power, and another country (which I truly feel to be unstable) can pose a serious threat (threat... not just the other country having power, but threatening to use it against me) to me and my allies, then I'll try my best to do something. If that other country has weapons which could be transferred to terrorist organizations (let's just say it's true for now), then of course I'll do something about it. It's common sense to do so. I don't want the USA to go back into an isolationist form of politics.

 

[0roo0roo]

bah, stupid french didn't ask the UN before they sent units into the ivory coast. they have no business being there anyways, they know it. hipocrites.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: B00ne
Another fact for the bashers of the german opposition: Our constitution demands the opposition. Would we participate we would break our Constitution as well as International law. What shall we do, participate and then turn ourslfs in to the international court? Have our constitution mean nothing?

Constitutional restrictions are completely understandable (particularly given Germany's 20th century history), but the term "ally" mean a lot more than just sending troops. If nothing else, economic support and a public expression of agreement with the cause would be sufficient.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky

Originally posted by: Nitemare
France is only a fair weather ally. They assist only when they get something directly out of it.

The same can be said for the United States.

Yeah really - sure, we like the UN and all...until they don't give us what we want. Then we just do our own thing. Doesn't the "U" in U.N. stand for "united," the same as it does in U.S.? United we stand?

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

I'd take the US version of a fair weather friend any day. What has France done for the world recently? The US basically rebuilt Europe after WW2, rebuilt Japan, protected West Germany, South Korea and Taiwan, kept Communism at bay, liberated Kuwait etc. etc. Should I go on?

Which country is the superpower, with the greater ability to do all that?

In line with my previous post, France is lacking in both ability and political will.

 

[KahunaHube]

i thought were going to war in order to protect everyone from Iraq's potential nuclear and chemical warfare?

If that means that we get a little peice of the oil pie when were done... then that's just icing on the cake.

Iraq's got something fishy going on. We've waited long enough. Take action now, or face the consequences. We only care becuase we're gonna get our butts nuked or something first.

 

[Tiger]

They surrender again?
Yep, they surrendered.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky

Originally posted by: Nitemare
France is only a fair weather ally. They assist only when they get something directly out of it.

The same can be said for the United States.

I'd take the US version of a fair weather friend any day. What has France done for the world recently? The US basically rebuilt Europe after WW2, rebuilt Japan, protected West Germany, South Korea and Taiwan, kept Communism at bay, liberated Kuwait etc. etc. Should I go on?

Funny you mention WW2. Where was the US when France got steam rolled by Germany? Where was America when the UK had to stand alone against the Germans/Japs for 2 years? Where was America during the Battle of Britain? Where was America in the Falklands War?

You call France a fair weather ally? Perhaps they are, but they aren't the only ones. Or perhaps they just don't agree with this upcoming war. Or aren't they allowed their own opinion?

 

[freegeekss]

I only have this to say -- copy paste from another thread

All this French bashing is really getting on my nerves (and I'm not French). Most americans think that the french hate them -- let me tell you something -- both the french and americans are very muck alike. You are both proud patriotic countries that are convinced that the equator runs through your a$$