sooo, tax cuts are good?
ignorant arrogant twit? mmmkay.
And working a sh:tty job is not thier fault? Having a kid isnt thier fault? Whose is it?
And working a sh:tty job is not thier fault? Having a kid isnt thier fault? Whose is it?
If only the weak favor defined benefit pensions (as opposed to defined contribution plans like 401k), then why do CEOs always demand defined benefit pensions as part of their compensation plan?
You don't have to guarantee the company to guarantee the payouts. The company could fund its pension plan in advance.
So like the ancient Greek city states we should just leave the weak out on a rock to die.
Nice society. You're a true Republican.
Science can tell us what the effects of public policy are; it can't tell us what we should do.
What you're referring to is not science, but the philosophical/religious idea called Social Darwinism, which has no scientific basis in biological evolution.
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So, you must be like what, 18? Been around much? Been laid off? See your kids go hungry because of things you couldn't envision?
Na, you have everything worked out.
Your idea of a Darwinian society exists in South America. Extreme riches and poverty living side by side. I've seen the results of what you embrace, and it sucks.
There may come a day when you aren't so cocky about your situation. Come back in 30 years and let us know how things are working out.
Know what's sad? I would say even you should be allowed some help, although you haven't any charity in your heart.
Perhaps that's the difference between the New Republicans. All about #1 and the rest eat cake.
I thought we had evolved past that point. Apparently I was wrong, at least in your case.
I hope you aren't ever on the receiving end of your theories but only because I'm certain you'll change your tune.
I love the usual romanticized allusions about jobs coming form zendari. Problem is, your notions aren't connected to reality.
Take a look around you, try to realize that not everybody gets a good job. 50% of workers fall into the lower 50% of incomes... which isn't necessarily based on choices, at all, but on job availability.
While a given individual may or may not get ahead within a given system, the system imposes limits on the aggregate that don't necessarily apply on the individual level, and vice-versa...
If everybody had a doctorate degree in physics, then employers would make that a basic requirement for any job, from janitor on up...
As for the rest of it, elderly people don't want to be taken care of, they want to take care of themselves... And that's why they've paid into pension plans, and SS, and saved, and invested the best they knew how. That doesn't mean that they or you will be entirely successful in that regard, particularly when their efforts are exploited, used to facilitate the greatest transfer of wealth ever undertaken- from 99.9% of the population to the top .1% via various pension/investment scams and fatcat taxcuts coupled with huge federal deficits. There's no down in trickledown, only up... the only thing threatening SS is the fiscal solvency of the govt itself- when push comes to shove, who gets screwed first- international bankers, or a bunch of grannies? Who gets pounded when the value of the currency and one's investments take a nosedive- those same grannies, or people worth hundreds of millions going in?
So, uhh, if you're not making a few million a year within the next few years, figure on getting left behind with the rest of us, unless you're a member of the lucky sperm club...
Take a look around you, try to realize that not everybody gets a good job. 50% of workers fall into the lower 50% of incomes... which isn't necessarily based on choices, at all, but on job availability.
While a given individual may or may not get ahead within a given system, the system imposes limits on the aggregate that don't necessarily apply on the individual level, and vice-versa...
If everybody had a doctorate degree in physics, then employers would make that a basic requirement for any job, from janitor on up...
As for the rest of it, elderly people don't want to be taken care of, they want to take care of themselves... And that's why they've paid into pension plans, and SS, and saved, and invested the best they knew how. That doesn't mean that they or you will be entirely successful in that regard, particularly when their efforts are exploited, used to facilitate the greatest transfer of wealth ever undertaken- from 99.9% of the population to the top .1% via various pension/investment scams and fatcat taxcuts coupled with huge federal deficits. There's no down in trickledown, only up... the only thing threatening SS is the fiscal solvency of the govt itself- when push comes to shove, who gets screwed first- international bankers, or a bunch of grannies? Who gets pounded when the value of the currency and one's investments take a nosedive- those same grannies, or people worth hundreds of millions going in?
So, uhh, if you're not making a few million a year within the next few years, figure on getting left behind with the rest of us, unless you're a member of the lucky sperm club...
Not at all. My "tune" doesn't change according to circumstances, because my entitlement to the work of others doesn't change according to circumstances.
Pro choice? Haha. What a joke. Interesting world we live in. You can choose to use taxpayer money to murder your husband's child without his knowledge, but you can't choose how to save up your money for your retirement.
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That's an occupational hazard (no pun intended!) of being a teenager. He/she will learn in time.
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That's why I don't rip into him too much because he hasn't seen a tenth of the crap we have. I hope he never does, although perhaps it might do him good, provided he survived.
I used to be more hard nosed, but then I learned how the world really works, and how it has a habit of eating people for lunch who believe themselves invulnerable.
Good to see you BTW
Obviously my temp. departure wasn't long, but I still avoid most of the silliness here
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Not really. The good thing he has done is started to save. The world is far tougher than he and apparently others know. He has not been tested.
Better not tested than tested and failed like these welfare hacks who run up CC debt, can't afford their lifestyle, cry about how society has abused and neglected them, and develop a disgusting sense of self-entitlement.
If you care so much, perhaps you and BBond can foot my share towards whatever causes you desire? I only have about $8k of income this year, should be easy for you to do so.
SS's 1.8% return is inherently threatening.
So I hear. My mom's company rolled over company match into stock.
I may not agree with your politics, but I hope I'm in a similar position later in life. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
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BBond can speak for himself.
As for me, my point does not deal with people who choose to run up their debt, nor do I wish to provide for those who won't work when provided with a real alternative.
Sometimes people fall on hard times through no fault of their own. Perhaps they lost a job they did well because it went elsewhere. Perhaps they had a child that has health issues that go beyond the families ability to pay for. A number of every day and very real scenarios.
I am for helping those people at tax payer expense (and I pay more than most) get beyond that situation or aiding them so they don't get bounced out of their home, or their kids suffer because of it. Make no mistake you could be one of these I have mentioned. If you have children, you WOULD take assistance from Uncle Sam to keep them healthy. If you would rather let them die then swallow your pride, please don't have any.
You make it sound like social services means giving everything away to everyone. No, there is real need, and a rational means can be found to help with it.
I think that many Govt. programs need to be revamped. I don't see the need to provide fertility drugs to people on welfare. In fact I dislike that very much. To go further, if someone is on welfare, I would give them a card like the EBTs and no cash. It would only pay for certain items, like food, medicine, clothing, and there would be limits on those. No lottery tickets, cigarettes, cable TV with premium channels. That is not needed.
For someone who has a child with Cystic Fibrosis? You bet we should help when (not if) the cost of treatment exceeds the ability to care for him or her.
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On the money side of politics, you might agree with me more than you realize. Remember, disliking Bush is not an automatic rubber stamp for the Democrat policies. Oh, and you're way ahead of me at 18. I didn't start saving of any sort until 26. I'll really start my saving next year at 37/38 with no mortgage or any other debt.
Well said. That is what some of our Republican counter parts misunderstand. They think helping people means helping every low life that was too lazy to provide for themselves. It doesn't. It means helping the truly needy. Sure, the system fails at times and gets taken advantage of . I don't think anyone here would argue against reform in social programs, but we will argue that they need to exist for those of us that have been less fortunate.
And I'm not sure why you continue to bring up abortion, Zendari. One's position on abortion should have no bearing on thier desire to help those in need. I would assume, that both Pro-choice and Pro-life groups see the merit in providing a safety for those that due to circumstances beyond their control have fallen on hard times.
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