Penryn QX9650 and Asus Striker Extreme 680I

Svtman

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:|So I got my 9650 in friday, lapped it today only to find out after installing it that it doesn't work with 680I chipsets! Funny thing is all the QX9650 ES samples seemed to work fine with this board in reviews.

Seems like everyone else locks up like me only after 30 seconds of being in the BIOS. I can't even get to Vista.

People seem to think that Intel did something to the retail versions of this chip so they wouldn't work on Nivida's chipsets because Nvidia wouldn't sell INTEL their SLI license for next to nothing....

Thoughts?
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: Svtman
People seem to think that Intel did something to the retail versions of this chip so they wouldn't work on Nivida's chipsets because Nvidia wouldn't sell INTEL their SLI license for next to nothing....

Thoughts?

That's quite possible, although, neither of us know how much Intel offered nVidia, do we? It might not have been "next to nothing" at all, then again, it might have been absolutely nothing. I do know that in nVidia's history, their chipsets have never performed as well as the "equivalent" Intel chipset, although the 680i was obviously their best Intel chipset so far.
 

Svtman

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Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Buy $71 Abit IP35-E and you should crack 3.8GHz with a good CPU cooler.

I have no problem with picking up another board, but I have 2 8800 GTX Ultras..... I want my cake and eat it too...
 

Cookie Monster

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Your in a very sticky situation my friend.

Couple of things to note. Rumors of the incompatibility issues with the QX9650 and 680 will be fixed with the 780i board, however it won't OC a single MHz. No motherboards support SLi except nVIDIA ones.

So first suggestion is that maybe you could get a X38 board, or a P35 board depending on budget put one of those 8800Ultras on the shelves and enjoy the CPU goodness.

OR

Wait for the 790i (C73) mobo from nVIDIA but that isnt going to hit the market til Q1 08.

OR

Since nforce boards generally are much better on an AMD platform, waiting for those with the release of phenoms could be another plan. (Selling off a lapped QX9650 could spark quite abit of interest)

OR

Donate the unneeded hardware to poor old cookie monster =D

 

The-Noid

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wait for the new bios to come, should be sometime this week or early next.

it has already been sent out to some people in beta.

Send me a pm and maybe I can get it to you :).
 

PCTC2

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Yeah. All 680i chipsets require a BIOS update to operate 45nm Penryn processors....
 

Csst

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I hope this is the case i have a Striker Extreme MB too and have 2 8800 Ultra just waiting to be built i should have my QX9650 this Monday.. I don't see why a BIO update won't fix this problem this board does support 45nm CPU.... so it says..
 

Svtman

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Good cooler should net you 4 ghz pretty easy on these chips.

Hope you enjoy it :)


I should be enjoying it right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the new BIOS works out I wander what I can get for my QX6850?
 

Csst

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You should be able to get about 450 to 500 for i think.. that seems to be the going rate..
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: Svtman
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Buy $71 Abit IP35-E and you should crack 3.8GHz with a good CPU cooler.

I have no problem with picking up another board, but I have 2 8800 GTX Ultras..... I want my cake and eat it too...

well.... then be prepared to get new stuff pretty soon.

Skulltrail which does offer SLI is going to need 2 x LGA771 processors.

As for the ASUS, your going to have to wait until they release a bios. EVGA is the best company at bios revision and you should of gone that route.

I bet the silly LED display on the back is the one that conn'd you into buying the board. Dont worry i got conned too during there QX6700 run.

 

Svtman

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: Svtman
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Buy $71 Abit IP35-E and you should crack 3.8GHz with a good CPU cooler.

I have no problem with picking up another board, but I have 2 8800 GTX Ultras..... I want my cake and eat it too...

well.... then be prepared to get new stuff pretty soon.

Skulltrail which does offer SLI is going to need 2 x LGA771 processors.

As for the ASUS, your going to have to wait until they release a bios. EVGA is the best company at bios revision and you should of gone that route.

I bet the silly LED display on the back is the one that conn'd you into buying the board. Dont worry i got conned too during there QX6700 run.


Nah I have always gone the way of ASUS because I have never had an issue with on of their motherboards. As far as the LED on the back goes they can get rid of that and give me an external BIOS reset switch.

Actually i'm thinking of selling everything and going the was of an overclocked spider system. 4 video cards sounds like fun to me!!!
 
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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
wait for the new bios to come, should be sometime this week or early next.

it has already been sent out to some people in beta.

Send me a pm and maybe I can get it to you :).
Will there be a BIOS for the P5N32-E SLI mobo too?
 

Csst

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Yep looks like this is true they will not have a BIO update for this board. So looks like i'll have to look for another board was really looking forward to using this board too.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Well, I should've been watching for this thread. I had my heart set on popping a quad-core Penryn into my Striker, but it seems obvious now that the best I could do would be dual-core.

For the OP and others, I'm wondering which BIOS version youse guys are currently using.

I think I'm running v 1301 or 1305. It is whatever they released in July. I think there was one later version that was released in August -- that I know of. I haven't checked since September . . .

For those who have difficulty flashing their Striker BIOS in these later revisions, save yourself the grief and order a BIOS chip from BIOSMan.com. It's about $25, and with your recycled chip, constitutes a year's subscription for ready-flashed BIOS chips.
 

Csst

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The board will take a Quad core just not the QX9650.. I'm just going to stick with my QX6850 and the Striker MB
 

BonzaiDuck

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I was going to post this as a separate thread. there are several threads I find here that focus on the same quandary and misgivings people have about the 680i chipset.

I've approached this business cautiously, and have been no less pleased with the Striker than I was with my P4P800-SE boards before PCI_E and DDR2. I respect AigoMorla's opinions, but we probably differ on the viability of the 680i chipset. Even so, there were several problems with the eVGA, nVidia and other incarnations, and the Striker had seriously ambivalent customer reviews and quirks through the earlier BIOS revisions. In fact, those reviews are STILL ambivalent, and I must attribute some of the trouble to people who didn't know what they were doing with the board, and other things less dependent on user skill and experience.

I cannot for the life of me understand how a board can be both C2D and C2Q compatible through Kentsfield G0, how the manufacturer can tout it as "45nm compatible," then certify it for dual-core Wolfdale but not for the double-Wolfdale Yorkfield. Maybe I need to look again at how intel chose to integrate the cores on these two CPU models of Penryn.

But a recent review here at Anantech (or was it THG) doesn't pose a distinction or problem with general Penryn compatibility for this board.

And here's where my old "surfing" analogy for choosing parts and technology-upgrades comes to the fore again. The Striker (IMHO), exemplifies a more general pattern in the release of motherboard products, wherein a flurry of BIOS revisions over six to ten months would make the difference between not buying it "then," and then buying it "later."

Now if the 780i is just a reissued 680i with various improvements, that pattern is less applicable. But in general, it drives my choice of when to upgrade and what to spend on it. For that, I"ll stay out here paddling to keep afloat, and may just wait until the entire industry has moved into DDR3 territory with these boards and the processors have gone through a revision after being on the market for at least six months.

One thing for sure, though. I'm less eager to "assure" myself that I will have SLI compatibility without immediately realizing SLI in my purchases and configurations. And expect some major innovations in GPUs over the next year. If SLI doesn't mean anything to me anymore, it opens up a much wider horizon of upgrade possibilities than what you get exclusively with nVidia chipsets.
 

Mr Fox

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Originally posted by: Svtman

:|So I got my 9650 in friday, lapped it today only to find out after installing it that it doesn't work with 680I chipsets! Funny thing is all the QX9650 ES samples seemed to work fine with this board in reviews.

Seems like everyone else locks up like me only after 30 seconds of being in the BIOS. I can't even get to Vista.

People seem to think that Intel did something to the retail versions of this chip so they wouldn't work on Nivida's chipsets because Nvidia wouldn't sell INTEL their SLI license for next to nothing....

Thoughts?


Everyone feels your pain.... Kyle Bennett over at HardOCP has laid down the likely scenario that led to this debacle...

There are links an full Info in this post on the MOBO Forum.



http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2123906&enterthread=y
 

JAG87

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Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
I was going to post this as a separate thread. there are several threads I find here that focus on the same quandary and misgivings people have about the 680i chipset.

I've approached this business cautiously, and have been no less pleased with the Striker than I was with my P4P800-SE boards before PCI_E and DDR2. I respect AigoMorla's opinions, but we probably differ on the viability of the 680i chipset. Even so, there were several problems with the eVGA, nVidia and other incarnations, and the Striker had seriously ambivalent customer reviews and quirks through the earlier BIOS revisions. In fact, those reviews are STILL ambivalent, and I must attribute some of the trouble to people who didn't know what they were doing with the board, and other things less dependent on user skill and experience.

I cannot for the life of me understand how a board can be both C2D and C2Q compatible through Kentsfield G0, how the manufacturer can tout it as "45nm compatible," then certify it for dual-core Wolfdale but not for the double-Wolfdale Yorkfield. Maybe I need to look again at how intel chose to integrate the cores on these two CPU models of Penryn.

But a recent review here at Anantech (or was it THG) doesn't pose a distinction or problem with general Penryn compatibility for this board.

And here's where my old "surfing" analogy for choosing parts and technology-upgrades comes to the fore again. The Striker (IMHO), exemplifies a more general pattern in the release of motherboard products, wherein a flurry of BIOS revisions over six to ten months would make the difference between not buying it "then," and then buying it "later."

Now if the 780i is just a reissued 680i with various improvements, that pattern is less applicable. But in general, it drives my choice of when to upgrade and what to spend on it. For that, I"ll stay out here paddling to keep afloat, and may just wait until the entire industry has moved into DDR3 territory with these boards and the processors have gone through a revision after being on the market for at least six months.

One thing for sure, though. I'm less eager to "assure" myself that I will have SLI compatibility without immediately realizing SLI in my purchases and configurations. And expect some major innovations in GPUs over the next year. If SLI doesn't mean anything to me anymore, it opens up a much wider horizon of upgrade possibilities than what you get exclusively with nVidia chipsets.


Very well written. Always nice to read your posts.
 

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Originally posted by: Svtman

:|So I got my 9650 in friday, lapped it today only to find out after installing it that it doesn't work with 680I chipsets!
Thoughts?

Pretty "brave" lapping your CPU before checking whether it actually works!