Penny Arcade Says It Best

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

Me! Me! For free, amirite?

I think one of the issues in PC gaming is that we do get some exclusive titles and half the time, these titles do very well. Look at Crysis, The Witcher, etc. But a lot of the titles the PC gets are just horrible XBOX 360 ports where the developer/publisher can't be concerned to even remove the damn 360 controller buttons or set up a decent PC-esque GUI!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin


PC gaming is having an renaissance ... they are doing far better now than 3 years ago ... consoles have began to stagnate

here is a little something for you to chew on ... don't choke:

Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

Could you elaborate on what you mean by stagnate? Because 2007 was huge for consoles (including hand-held) as a whole Do you mean that new game play ideas, mechanics, ect. aren't being explored the way they are on PC?

As to PS3 and 360 being doomed-

The PS3 keeps making Sony cash without even selling a game

Both are starting out this year well, and the 360 game sales continue to take numerous top 10 spots week after week

Many industry watchers believe 2008 will be a big one for the PS3, they have a console seller game coming out, Home is starting to look pretty damned cool, and they may have a process shrink and price drop before the year is out. Of course, Blu-Ray winning the format war, and the PS3 being one of the better players isn't going to hurt either. As the link to Toshiba sinking 835 million into a venture with Sony demonstrates.

None of the gaming platforms are doomed, in fact, every thing you can play a game on seems to be going gangbusters.

The link about the formation of the PC Gaming Alliance, and the fact that Microsoft is a member, is a hoot! Almost a case of sleeping with the enemy.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Fact is, both sides are doing well...I don't think PC gaming is dying at all.

Look at last years great games that came out, and look at this years games on schedule.

Starcraft 2, Spore...

Sure, maybe the profit margin on Console games are a little higher, but it is not like PC publishers are losing money.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

Me! Me! For free, amirite?

I think one of the issues in PC gaming is that we do get some exclusive titles and half the time, these titles do very well. Look at Crysis, The Witcher, etc. But a lot of the titles the PC gets are just horrible XBOX 360 ports where the developer/publisher can't be concerned to even remove the damn 360 controller buttons or set up a decent PC-esque GUI!

Heh, sorry, it's long gone.

Agreed, the ports are killing us. Look at that game The Club, which is probably one of the most egregious offenders in recent memory.

KT

 

[jonks]

PC gaming is dead thread, take 2,334,592, and ACTION!

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Agreed, the ports are killing us. Look at that game The Club, which is probably one of the most egregious offenders in recent memory.

It's not so much of a port though. I'd consider GOW or Halo to be ports but The Club only just came out for the consoles so it's a simultaneous release. It's shit whichever format you choose though

I guess you're talking about the console-feel with the controller buttons all over the place and all that jazz. That comes down to saving money or hiding behind the excuse of Games for Windows requiring controller support.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Agreed, the ports are killing us. Look at that game The Club, which is probably one of the most egregious offenders in recent memory.

It's not so much of a port though. I'd consider GOW or Halo to be ports but The Club only just came out for the consoles so it's a simultaneous release. It's shit whichever format you choose though

I guess you're talking about the console-feel with the controller buttons all over the place and all that jazz. That comes down to saving money or hiding behind the excuse of Games for Windows requiring controller support.

Yeah, it's more the feel I'm talking about. Take Jericho for example; I hated the whole God of War button combination thing it did which comes directly from consoles and has no place in a PC game in my opinion.

KT

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin


PC gaming is having an renaissance ... they are doing far better now than 3 years ago ... consoles have began to stagnate

here is a little something for you to chew on ... don't choke:

Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

Could you elaborate on what you mean by stagnate? Because 2007 was huge for consoles (including hand-held) as a whole Do you mean that new game play ideas, mechanics, ect. aren't being explored the way they are on PC?

As to PS3 and 360 being doomed-

The PS3 keeps making Sony cash without even selling a game

Both are starting out this year well, and the 360 game sales continue to take numerous top 10 spots week after week

Many industry watchers believe 2008 will be a big one for the PS3, they have a console seller game coming out, Home is starting to look pretty damned cool, and they may have a process shrink and price drop before the year is out. Of course, Blu-Ray winning the format war, and the PS3 being one of the better players isn't going to hurt either. As the link to Toshiba sinking 835 million into a venture with Sony demonstrates.

None of the gaming platforms are doomed, in fact, every thing you can play a game on seems to be going gangbusters.

The link about the formation of the PC Gaming Alliance, and the fact that Microsoft is a member, is a hoot! Almost a case of sleeping with the enemy.

Of course you didn't even bother to look at either of my old threads, did you

here's a teaser .. i am NOT doing all your research for you guys:

Page 112 of Electronic Art's annual report, (revenue in millions):

2007:
1. Playstation 2: $886
2. PC: $498
3. 360: $480
4. Playstation 3: $94
5. Wii $65

2006:
1. Playstation 2: $1,127
2. PC: $418
3. Xbox: $400
4. Xbox 360: $140
5. GameCube: $135

and this is from ja1484 OWN links ... READ on .. !!! ... there is much more than meets the eye at first glance

AND MS hasn't made a profit on Xbox in 8 years ... Sony was *forced* to slash its console price - or die they were bleeding cash; Sony will see NO PROFIT for at least another year - or two. ONLY the Wii and the PS2 are "strong" in the consoles


The PC is doing well ... steadily increasing better than all consoles except the PS2 when you take them INDIVIDUALLY .. and of course the Wii will have a much bigger impact this year

Unfortunately Vivendi's link to their 2007 annual report is broken. What do you think Blizzard's revenue for consoles versus PC would be?

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: apoppin

and this is from ja1484 OWN links ... READ on .. !!! ... there is much more than meets the eye at first glance

Why do people keep acting as though I think PC gaming is dead?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin


Of course you didn't even bother to look at either of my old threads, did you

I didn't just read, I participated

Originally posted by: apoppin
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Come on bro, The holiday season is the peak for consoles, sales decline 1Q is expected. PC sales being up is good for the sector, because they were still not at 2004 levels yet, perhaps this latest boost will push it beyond that.

As to H3, What is to address? I have np trouble believing we saw a lowres unfinished clip. Even the MP beta coming out in a few weeks won't be the finished product. I postulate that H3 will be close to GoW numbers@3+ million copies, and pick-up the install base in the 7 figures as well.

We'll see how this all shakes out. :sun:</blockquote>

come on -what?


we already *had* a "big" holiday season
--the nextGen consoles didn't do so well :frown:

AND ... we have a dichotomy - by your admission -

the consoles are not doing well - now

BUT -- PC gaming IS doing record sales - now
:Q

so ... what is it?

... and have you been keeping up with this whole long thread ...?
it looks like you missed everything in the "middle"

Deja Vu! I was right, Halo 3 was huge, and it did help expand the install base by 7 figures. You referred to the previous X-Mas and how they didn't do so well, but as I predicted, they had a big holiday season. I was wrong about the graphics though.

here's a teaser .. i am NOT doing all your research for you guys:

Page 112 of Electronic Art's annual report, (revenue in millions):

2007:
1. Playstation 2: $886
2. PC: $498
3. 360: $480
4. Playstation 3: $94
5. Wii $65

2006:
1. Playstation 2: $1,127
2. PC: $418
3. Xbox: $400
4. Xbox 360: $140
5. GameCube: $135

and this is from ja1484 OWN links ... READ on .. !!! ... there is much more than meets the eye at first glance

AND MS hasn't made a profit on Xbox in 8 years ... Sony was *forced* to slash its console price - or die they were bleeding cash; Sony will see NO PROFIT for at least another year - or two. ONLY the Wii and the PS2 are "strong" in the consoles


The PC is doing well ... steadily increasing better than all consoles except the PS2 when you take them INDIVIDUALLY .. and of course the Wii will have a much bigger impact this year

Unfortunately Vivendi's link to their 2007 annual report is broken. What do you think Blizzard's revenue for consoles versus PC would be?

That was mostly the same stuff you have been typing for a long while now, but I still don't understand what you meant by stagnate. The rest seems to be PC v. Console stuff, I have nothing to do with, were you addressing me there? Because I have said everything you can game on is going gangbusters, again and again. To quote myself "The entire gaming industry is going gangbusters, that includes PC gaming"

My post stated that no platform was doomed, and it seems you agree, despite the title of that old thread stating otherwise. You not only do not see the PS3 as doomed now, you see it eventually being in the black. AS to all the cash Microsoft has sunk into the console division, and the other remarks about lack of profitability of either to this point, you are preaching to the choir. But that certainly doesn't mean they are doomed, from what ja linked

Financial documents from Microsoft reveal that, during the first six months of the company's 2008 fiscal year, the entertainment division brought in $4.98 billion in revenue, marking an operating profit of $524 million. During the same time period in the 2007 fiscal year, the division amassed $3.98 billion in revenue but reported a loss of $423 million.

They are finally turning the corner, but they have a long way to go before they are in the black ink. That isn't a problem though, because Microsoft isn't going to give up on it, and with the current install base of 10 million, and the strong software sales, they are heading towards the day when they have recouped all their expenses and begin to enjoy profits. It is just a matter of time.

 

[Thraxen]

Hey, great, PC gaming is doing fine. So how about you freaks quit obsessing about it? And while you're at it, quit trying to scapegoat consoles for every freaking issue with PC games. Thanks.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Hey, great, PC gaming is doing fine. So how about you freaks quit obsessing about it? And while you're at it, quit trying to scapegoat consoles for every freaking issue with PC games. Thanks.

Would be nice, wouldn't it?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Hey, great, PC gaming is doing fine. So how about you freaks quit obsessing about it? And while you're at it, quit trying to scapegoat consoles for every freaking issue with PC games. Thanks.

Would be nice, wouldn't it?

So stop baiting everyone in the PC GAMING forum then.

KT

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
So stop baiting everyone in the PC GAMING forum then.

KT

Oh hell no... the obsession with consoles here was going on long before he made this topic. This topic may have indeed been a flame bait, but let's not pretend this was the cause and not a result.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Hey, great, PC gaming is doing fine. So how about you freaks quit obsessing about it? And while you're at it, quit trying to scapegoat consoles for every freaking issue with PC games. Thanks.

Would be nice, wouldn't it?

So stop baiting everyone in the PC GAMING forum then.

KT

KT is right, if you don't like reading negative remarks about consoles, the PC gaming forum shouldn't be on your to read list. :light: I game on both and have nothing but love for both. The comments made here about consoles being for 12yr old brats, n00bs who can't figure out how to make a game run on PC, blah blah blah are just the usual rhetoric. Don't take it personally, they are just venting their frustrations.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
So stop baiting everyone in the PC GAMING forum then.

KT

Oh hell no... the obsession with consoles here was going on long before he made this topic. This topic may have indeed been a flame bait, but let's not pretend this was the cause and not a result.

I never said it was the cause of all anti-console rhetoric because that would just be silly. However, to make a thread like this in the PC Gaming forum and not expect some sort of backlash is also a little silly in my opinion.

KT

 

[Thraxen]

OK... nevermind.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: apoppin

and this is from ja1484 OWN links ... READ on .. !!! ... there is much more than meets the eye at first glance

Why do people keep acting as though I think PC gaming is dead?

You are the OP
... last i looked


and as far as i can tell, it isn't "acting"

==================

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: apoppin


Of course you didn't even bother to look at either of my old threads, did you

I didn't just read, I participated

Originally posted by: apoppin
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Come on bro, The holiday season is the peak for consoles, sales decline 1Q is expected. PC sales being up is good for the sector, because they were still not at 2004 levels yet, perhaps this latest boost will push it beyond that.

As to H3, What is to address? I have np trouble believing we saw a lowres unfinished clip. Even the MP beta coming out in a few weeks won't be the finished product. I postulate that H3 will be close to GoW numbers@3+ million copies, and pick-up the install base in the 7 figures as well.

We'll see how this all shakes out. :sun:</blockquote>

come on -what?


we already *had* a "big" holiday season
--the nextGen consoles didn't do so well :frown:

AND ... we have a dichotomy - by your admission -

the consoles are not doing well - now

BUT -- PC gaming IS doing record sales - now
:Q

so ... what is it?

... and have you been keeping up with this whole long thread ...?
it looks like you missed everything in the "middle"

Deja Vu! I was right, Halo 3 was huge, and it did help expand the install base by 7 figures. You referred to the previous X-Mas and how they didn't do so well, but as I predicted, they had a big holiday season. I was wrong about the graphics though.

here's a teaser .. i am NOT doing all your research for you guys:

Page 112 of Electronic Art's annual report, (revenue in millions):

2007:
1. Playstation 2: $886
2. PC: $498
3. 360: $480
4. Playstation 3: $94
5. Wii $65

2006:
1. Playstation 2: $1,127
2. PC: $418
3. Xbox: $400
4. Xbox 360: $140
5. GameCube: $135

and this is from ja1484 OWN links ... READ on .. !!! ... there is much more than meets the eye at first glance

AND MS hasn't made a profit on Xbox in 8 years ... Sony was *forced* to slash its console price - or die they were bleeding cash; Sony will see NO PROFIT for at least another year - or two. ONLY the Wii and the PS2 are "strong" in the consoles


The PC is doing well ... steadily increasing better than all consoles except the PS2 when you take them INDIVIDUALLY .. and of course the Wii will have a much bigger impact this year

Unfortunately Vivendi's link to their 2007 annual report is broken. What do you think Blizzard's revenue for consoles versus PC would be?

That was mostly the same stuff you have been typing for a long while now, but I still don't understand what you meant by stagnate. The rest seems to be PC v. Console stuff, I have nothing to do with, were you addressing me there? Because I have said everything you can game on is going gangbusters, again and again. To quote myself "The entire gaming industry is going gangbusters, that includes PC gaming"

My post stated that no platform was doomed, and it seems you agree, despite the title of that old thread stating otherwise. You not only do not see the PS3 as doomed now, you see it eventually being in the black. AS to all the cash Microsoft has sunk into the console division, and the other remarks about lack of profitability of either to this point, you are preaching to the choir. But that certainly doesn't mean they are doomed, from what ja linked

Financial documents from Microsoft reveal that, during the first six months of the company's 2008 fiscal year, the entertainment division brought in $4.98 billion in revenue, marking an operating profit of $524 million. During the same time period in the 2007 fiscal year, the division amassed $3.98 billion in revenue but reported a loss of $423 million.

They are finally turning the corner, but they have a long way to go before they are in the black ink. That isn't a problem though, because Microsoft isn't going to give up on it, and with the current install base of 10 million, and the strong software sales, they are heading towards the day when they have recouped all their expenses and begin to enjoy profits. It is just a matter of time.

that thread went on for many months ... and was resurrected several times as it turned out to be pretty relevant ... it even got some weird-ass comments from Sony that they didn't care much for "our" analysis ... but they followed my advice anyway ... i don't thenk they will EVER be "in the black" with the PS3 although it looks like their console will survive and a PS4 is certainly possible [if they learn from their retarded PS3 launch]

... and as i recall, you were kind of late to the thread

i believe this is the first year that MS is projected to actually see a profit from Xbox - after 8 years in the RED ... and what you are missing about Halo3 - despite it's "success" - was that it cost MS so damn much to advertise it - it was a HUGE ad campaign - worldwide.

Wii ... well, i said Wii was a phenomena and would get runaway success .. so it is making nintendo rich again ...

What has happened is that the 'balance' in the Video gaming industry is shifting ... and PC gaming is getting a bigger piece of the pie and more attention.

My reason ... stagnation ... that is why the balance shifted .. Sony and MS resorted to DESPERATE measures - 1/3rd off their PS3 making each one sold a $300 loss for the company .. MS spending HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars to advertise crappy games to finally see a profit after YEARS and YEARS in the RED.

PC gaming is ALIVE ... and it is having a renaissance ... - xcept for the Wii, Console gaming is on life support from their respective companies - PS2 game sales are what kept Sony's PS3 barely alive until now when they are just starting to recover - and i still don't see great *exclusive* games for them ... i'd call that stagnation

What do you call it again?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin


PC gaming is ALIVE ... and it is having a renaissance ... - xcept for the Wii, Console gaming is on life support from their respective companies - PS2 game sales are what kept Sony's PS3 barely alive until now when they are just starting to recover - and i still don't see great *exclusive* games for them ... i'd call that stagnation

What do you call it again?

About that old thread, I have my page views set for 50 posts, I was active for a little starting with the first post on the 2nd page, then came back around page 7 of that discussion.

To answer your question, I'd call it a matter of opinion, you don't see greta exclusive games, but I do. I am definitely way easier to please than you are, judging by your posts about games you've played. So are many others though, me thinks, and that is why Halo3, Gears of War, Resistance;fall of man, and Mario whatever exclusives sell so many copies. Some see "been there, done that, years ago on PC or even console" Others just see some fun stuff to kill spare time.

I wouldn't count out the PS3 being profitable for Sony, in the company's absolute bottom line anyways. The ramifications of Blu-Ray winning the format war, could change its fortunes so to speak. Anecdotally, I'm reading others starting to say they may get a PS3 just for the Blu-Ray, if they also buy some movies, along with current owners buying more, the attachment rate will be better. Dual shock controllers, Home, MGS4, Resistance 2, every little thing helps add up.

 

[BladeVenom]

Page 112 of Electronic Art's annual report, (revenue in millions):
2007:
1. Playstation 2: $886
2. PC: $498
3. 360: $480
4. Playstation 3: $94
5. Wii $65

2006:
1. Playstation 2: $1,127
2. PC: $418
3. Xbox: $400
4. Xbox 360: $140
5. GameCube: $135

EA is now going to have a Sims division and a Casual games division. So PC games are going to be the biggest part of 2 out of 4 divisions.

And now that Activision has acquired Blizzard, PC gaming is now the biggest money maker of the biggest publisher. So there's no arguing the economics.

Some might still needlessly worry about exclusives, and losing developers. But last time I counted there were expected to be 144 exclusives for the PC in 2008, plus plenty of multi-platform games, and ports.

STRATEGY:

1 Sins of the Solar Empire
2 Starcraft 2
3 Empire: Total War
4 SPORE
5 Disciples III: Renaissance
6 Panzers: Cold War
7 Jagged Alliance 3
8 Heroes of Might and Magic Kingdoms
9 Demigod
10 Society
11 Cities Unlimited
12 Worldshift
13 Perimeter 2
14 Multiwinia
15 Europa Universalis Rome
16 Spaceforce : Captains
17 Napoleonic Wargame
18 Supreme Ruler 2020
19 Hegemony: Philip of Macedon
20 Jutland
21 Field Ops
22 Seven Kingdoms: Conquest
23 HistWar: Les Grognars
24 Sudden Strike 3
25 Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Soulstorm
26 Anno 1701: Sunken Dragon
27 Celtic Kings2

ADVENTURE:

28 Gray Matter
29 Vampyre Story
30 Nikopol: The Carnival of Immortals
31 Dracula 3
32 Mata Hari
33 Sherlock Holmes versus Arsène Lupin
34 Still Life 2
35 Alternativa
36 So Blonde
37 Dracula: Origin
38 Simon the Sorcerer 4
39 Machinarium
40 Perry Rhodan
41 The Whispered World
42 The Path
43 Ankh 3: Battle of the Gods
44 Resonance
45 Penumbra: Black Plague
46 Love
47 Treasure Island
48 Art of Murder: FBI Confidential
49 Blackwell Convergence
50 Cassius Pearl
51 Secret Files 2
52 Abbey
53 Heaven
54 Overclocked
55 Memento Mori
56 Nostradamus - The Last Prophecy
57 Experience123
58 The Lost Crown: a Ghosthunting Adventure
59 Dead Mountaineer Hotel
60 Kaptain Brawe
61 AGON: The Lost Sword of Toledo
62 Mozart
63 Sinking Island
64 Juniper Crescent - The Sapphire Claw
65 Dreamfall Chapters

RPGs:

66 Dragon Age
67 King's Bounty: the Legend
68 Drakensang: The Dark Eye
69 Dropship
70 Afterfall
71 Reluctant Hero
72 Space Siege
73 Hard to be God
74 Mount and Blade
75 Not the Time for Dragons
76 Legend: Hand of God
77 Age of Decadence
78 The Broken Hourglass
79 Seeker
80 Avernum 5
81 Mysteries of Westgate
82 Guild Wars 2
83 Ragnarok Online 2
84 Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
85 Pirates of Burning Sea
86 Warld of Warcraft: Wrath of Lich King
87 Dragonball Online

PUZZLE:

88 Subversion
89 Overflow
90 Democracy 2
91 Cosmic Osmo's Hex Isle
92 World of Goo
93 Crayon Physics Deluxe
94 Crazy Machines 2
95 Katamari Online

ACTION:

96 S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky
97 Ground Branch
98 Enemy in Sight
99 Far Cry 2
100 Natural Selection 2
101 Tomboish Witches
102 Captain Claw 2
103 Global Agenda
104 Hammerfall
105 Chrome 2
106 Lone Wolf: Flight from the Dark
107 Kwari
108 Zeno Clash
109 Gish 2
110 FinnWars 2
111 Audiosurf
112 The Spirit Engine 2
113 Ascension
114 Fireteam Reloaded
115 King Solomon's Treasures
116 Alien Swarm: Infested
117 Cryostasis
118 Cletus Clay
119 Eduardo The Samurai Toaster
120 Face wound
121 Savage II: Tortured Soul
122 Black Sky
123 They Hunger: Lost Souls
124 Armada Online
125 Limbo
126 Collapse
127 American McGee's Grimm
128 Americas Army

SIMULATION:

130 Storm of War: Battle of Britain
131 Digital Combat Simulator: Black Shark
132 Jet Thunder
133 Fighter Ops
134 Jumpgate Evolution
135 Infinity: The Quest for Earth
136 Universe Online
137 Microsoft Train Simulator 2
138 Knights of the Sky
139 ilent Hunter 4: U-Boat Missions

RACING:

140 Live for Speed S3
141 FiRST RACING
142 ARCA Sim Racing
143 Turismo Carretera
144 MOTORM4X

 

[apoppin]

You see ... there are 3 platforms for consoles ... and "one" PC gaming

"3 platforms for the Elven Lords ..

.. but One PC gaming the Dark Lord secretly made for himself
... to rule them all ...
.. to bind them in the darkness ..."
:evil:

You'll see

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
So stop baiting everyone in the PC GAMING forum then.

KT

Oh hell no... the obsession with consoles here was going on long before he made this topic. This topic may have indeed been a flame bait, but let's not pretend this was the cause and not a result.

I never said it was the cause of all anti-console rhetoric because that would just be silly. However, to make a thread like this in the PC Gaming forum and not expect some sort of backlash is also a little silly in my opinion.

KT

No sillier than denying that game developers and publishers get most of their revenue from console software sales.

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: apoppin

and this is from ja1484 OWN links ... READ on .. !!! ... there is much more than meets the eye at first glance

Why do people keep acting as though I think PC gaming is dead?

You are the OP
... last i looked


and as far as i can tell, it isn't "acting"

So...what? You missed all those times in this thread and others that I have said PC Gaming is very much alive?

 

[apoppin]

sure - deny deny deny

but post what you really feel in the title

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: apoppin
sure - deny deny deny

but post what you really feel in the title

I did, because the entire point of the PA post was that the PC is one of four platforms (more if you count mobile devices, but I don't game on 'em) that are all capable of delivering very enjoyable gaming experiences.

This is in fact how I really feel, as I have noted in this thread.

How does this make me claim that the PC is dying again?

Not Claiming PC > All = Claiming PC is dying?

Doesn't seem to make much sense.

 

[apoppin]

WHY?
:Q

are you not the OP?

Originally posted by: ja1484

I recall a couple weeks ago certain people being highly offended by the idea that console gaming may have some kind of parity with PC gaming these days. The catalyst seemed to be Cliff's reference to the PC as being in "disarray".

As usual, Mike and Jerry do it up better than any of us really could:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2008/02/27


Enjoy. Let the (generally baseless) arguments begin anew.

THIS is what they believe and what you think is somehow said "best"

It's hard to imagine that there are those who still see the PC as ascendant, and not merely one option available to gamers, an option fraught with costs in time and treasure that not every person feels like fucking enduring when they get home from work. The rationalizations at play in these threads are feats of such liquid mental agility that I wish we could put these minds to work on renewable energy or on the fabrication of advanced polymers. There are profound advantages to a hand-built, precision twiddled machine, running a (relatively!) wide open OS - I've done so for well over a decade. It is this generalized potential that Sony has done their best to emulate in their latest console foray. But it's certainly not the only true way to amuse yourself with electronics, and by dismissing the fixed gaming platforms you are actively sabotaging your own happiness.

i don't agree ... he is just another blogger with a pronounced inability to convey a coherent thought about PC gaming

just give him a six pack of beer and show him how to turn the console on