Penny Arcade Says It Best

[ja1484]

I recall a couple weeks ago certain people being highly offended by the idea that console gaming may have some kind of parity with PC gaming these days. The catalyst seemed to be Cliff's reference to the PC as being in "disarray".

As usual, Mike and Jerry do it up better than any of us really could:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2008/02/27


Enjoy. Let the (generally baseless) arguments begin anew.

 

[Beev]

Console gaming is bigger than PC gaming solely because it's easier to get into. Period. Developers put out a game on a console, then forget that it takes more work to make a PC game (due to the limitless hardware configurations) so they half ass it, barely make it work, then wonder why no one buys their shit.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: Beev
Console gaming is bigger than PC gaming solely because it's easier to get into. Period. Developers put out a game on a console, then forget that it takes more work to make a PC game (due to the limitless hardware configurations) so they half ass it, barely make it work, then wonder why no one buys their shit.

See, now, what I've done, is I've gone back and bolded the part of your statement that CEOs and development and publishing companies give a damn about.

Let me once again state, for benefit of the easily distracted, the bottom line:

$

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: ja1484
As usual, Mike and Jerry do it up better than any of us really could:

No, they do a half assed job. It's just pointless rambling.

You can't point to Valve's success... Valve is a single company.

Wow, what a stupid point. You'd think Valve was the only successful company making PC games if you took their blithering stupidity seriously. They should stick to making mediocre cartoons.

I guess they haven't heard of Blizzard. They are making Billions. WoW is making more money than any console game is. Then there's Maxis, and the Sims series which is still going strong and has easily outsold anything on any of the current consoles.

Just look at the recent posts here. Stardock is doing great with Sins of a Solar Empire. Then there's Crysis, Stalker, Guild Wars, etc.

The average Anandtech forum reader has a better grasp on the state of PC gaming than they do.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: ja1484
As usual, Mike and Jerry do it up better than any of us really could:

No, they do a half assed job. It's just pointless rambling.

You can't point to Valve's success... Valve is a single company.

Wow, what a stupid point. You'd think Valve was the only successful company making PC games if you took their blithering stupidity seriously. They should stick to making mediocre cartoons.

I guess they haven't heard of Blizzard. They are making Billions. WoW is making more money than any console game is. Then there's Maxis, and the Sims series which is still going strong and has easily outsold anything on any of the current consoles.

Just look at the recent posts here. Stardock is doing great with Sins of a Solar Empire. Then there's Crysis, Stalker, Guild Wars, etc.

The average Anandtech forum reader has a better grasp on the state of PC gaming than they do.

Yep, all you have to do is look at the quote in the article..."this is why I don't play PC games" How can you pretend to be an expert on the subject if you don't even play the damn thing?

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

The average Anandtech forum reader has a better grasp on the state of PC gaming than they do.

Actually, the appropriate term would be "far more deluded grasp".

I sit, apparently a lot like the PA guys, in awe of a community that watches its options shrink year on year and at the same time claims to be superior in all respects. Don't get me wrong - I love PC gaming, and I agree that it is not in trouble. However, from where I am standing, which on the outside of the internet, in reality, watching things unfold, there is an unmistakable conclusion:

Things are different now.

Consoles post much larger sales figures. More often. Almost every games developer or developer conglomerate has shifted their development emphasis *to* the console platforms. Industry developers and insiders continuously point out that things are drifting away from the PC. Original IP titles are ever rarer, especially on the PC.

Maybe it's just that PC gaming has always been marginalized and people who stalwartly fanboy for the platform never really noticed until the past few years, and now they're retroactively pissed about it. I don't know. All I know is eventually these types of debates about the state of the industry always end up, for the defenders, hinging on some point that cannot be proven or disproved. "Look at digital delivery" some say "It's not in the sales figures." Fucking fine, but that doesn't tell us if digital sales are enormous or barely present. It's like in order to mount any kind of defense at all, the entire exchange must be stuck in the mud, unable to progress.

Yes, there are PC titles that have sold well in the past year. I own most of them. Ford also does well in truck sales. Would you call the Ford marque the premier automaker in today's world?

Talking about the "state of the industry" and then supplying isolated examples are directly contradictory movements entirely out of sync with one another. Do you want to talk about trends, which would be industry talk, or do you want to talk about a small handful of titles which is statistical outlier talk?

I love PC gaming, I grew up on it, and it's not going anywhere, but it's certainly a different beast these days, and more changes are coming.

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Just look at the recent posts here. Stardock is doing great with Sins of a Solar Empire.

It's also funny you should mention this, as I first heard about Sins from Penny Arcade, well before I heard about it here. It was this post that first made me aware of the title, and you will notice they sing its praises heartily and mention they will be advertising for the title.

If you read forward from there, there are several more posts covering the game.

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Yep, all you have to do is look at the quote in the article..."this is why I don't play PC games" How can you pretend to be an expert on the subject if you don't even play the damn thing?

I think you're a little confused. Mike Krahulik, the illustrator, abstains from most PC gaming. Jerry Holkins, the writer, is an avid avid PC gamer.

These guys end up elbow to elbow with developers all the time at various events. You might have heard of PAX, which has pretty much replaced E3 as the largest annual gaming expo?

They're simply generalists, without the need for anal detailing of a single industries minor fluctuations.

 

[Sunner]

I haven't seen a console game worth more than a bargain basement price in over 10 years.
Which is troubling, because if the PC gaming scene continues to shrink, I'll have nothing to play eventually...
Not that the PC gaming scene is full of quality either by all means, but at least there's the occasional little diamond showing up once in a while(like...once per year...maybe...).

It's funny, I'm considering getting a PS3 solely for the Blu-Ray player, without the slightest interest in the games available

 

[BladeVenom]

One of them doesn't even play PC games, and the other couldn't even set up Team Fortress correctly. Yeah, some real PC geniuses there. I can now see how you with your limited knowledge would be in awe of them.

 

[randay]

me personally, I go where the games take me. if there is a game on a certain platform that I want to play, I play it on that platform.

 

[KeithTalent]

Never been a PA fan and this has done nothing to change that. I don't really understand how people can complain about the sky falling on PC gaming coming off such a great year as we just had. There are constant ebbs and flows in this industry and it will conitnue to be this way, but as long as there are those of us who like building their PCs, modding, and tweaking to our heart's content, then there will be PC games made for us.

With that said I am buying a PS3 on the way home from work tonight, but I can'timagine a scenario where I will ever purchase a game for it.

KT

 

[TehMac]

Ja the Wah strikes again!

 

[BladeVenom]

I'm probably just feeding the troll, but hopefully here's enough to choke on.

ORANGE BOX sells like hot bitches. (significantly more than 1.5 million PC)
The Witcher sells 600,000+ Enhanced version coming soon.
Guild Wars sells over 5 million copies
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. sells 1.65 million.
Crysis Comeback: Moves 1 Million Copies
15 Million People Use Steam.
Blizzard makes $1.2 Billion Dollars in 2007

Originally posted by: ja1484
the defenders, hinging on some point that cannot be proven or disproved.

I've proven my points.

Show me what console game is making as much as WoW.
What console developer has 15 million subscribers?

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
One of them doesn't even play PC games, and the other couldn't even set up Team Fortress correctly. Yeah, some real PC geniuses there. I can now see how you with your limited knowledge would be in awe of them.

Straw man, and a poor argument. I'm quite in-depthly familiar with the PC games scene. It's the primary platform I game on.

You appear to be having trouble understanding the newspost over at PA. Krahulik, precisely because he rarely games on the PC, had issues configuring TF2, which Holkins fixed. Mostly.

Originally posted by: TehMac
Ja the Wah strikes again!

Reduced to simple name calling for lack of any cogent points to make?

Sad. I expected more of you.

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
I'm probably just feeding the troll, but hopefully here's enough to choke on.

ORANGE BOX sells like hot bitches. (significantly more than 1.5 million PC)
The Witcher sells 600,000+ Enhanced version coming soon.
Guild Wars sells over 5 million copies
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. sells 1.65 million.
Crysis Comeback: Moves 1 Million Copies
15 Million People Use Steam.
Blizzard makes $1.2 Billion Dollars in 2007

Originally posted by: ja1484
the defenders, hinging on some point that cannot be proven or disproved.

I've proven my points.

Show me what console game is making as much as WoW.
What console developer has 15 million subscribers?

All good news, but you're missing the overall point - in effect, having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

WoW may be the most profitable *single title* in existence, but consoles are a more profitable *platform* for most developers, which is what a lot of people seem unable to understand, or even admit, which I find strange because developers have been very very clear about where their money is coming from for some time now.

There is a simple fact at the core of this:

The vast majority of games developers and publishers are making more money from their console releases than their PC releases, if they have any.

This is not some position that is to be argued for or against. This is fact. Go review their published financial documents and press releases. I'm not going to do the footwork for you, but it's all out there and easily found.


Furthermore, people seem to be confusing the issue again, jumping to the conclusion that this is a "PC Gaming is Dying" thread. It's not. I don't know if any of you noticed, but I mentioned already, several times, that PC gaming is not going to die. I thought writing it explicitly in english would be clear enough for most mouth-breathers, but apparently it's a special breed of human that fits into the "forum zealot" mold.

Nor is this an argument over where the best games come from - which games are "best" is a matter of pure taste. What we're talking about here are pure financials, and the *fact* that life is getting harder for the PC-exclusive or PC-centric developer. Blizzard and Valve are wonderful bright spots, and I'm excited about upcoming releases from both companies, but we have to remember that they are the *exceptions*, not the rule.

Originally posted by: randay
me personally, I go where the games take me. if there is a game on a certain platform that I want to play, I play it on that platform.

I do the same - it always seemed the sensible position to me, but I guess some people have to have a cause...ANY cause, as long as it's something to wave a banner about. It's kind of funny, because the kind of zealotry we're seeing in this thread right now is precisely what the PA guys were jabbing at with their title of "The Alien, The Mutant, The Heretic." How DARE someone suggest that PC gaming is simply an option now, rather than the goal for which all gaming mediums strive?!?!

:roll:

 

[KeithTalent]

You do realize this is the PC gaming forum don't you? Of course a lot of the people are going to canonize PC gaming over all else here. It's like going to the Republican National Convention and saying, come on guys, Democrats are politicians too, can't we all just get along; group hug! A lot of the Republicans would be a little defensive I think.

By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

KT

 

[TehMac]

I simply don't care what the statistics are, I don't want to play games that are catered to the whiny 12 year old bitch, like ja1484. Until PC Gaming actually dies, not going to do it. Sorry.

 

[BladeVenom]

You've yet to prove a single thing. You've got nothing.

This is fact. Go review their published financial documents and press releases. I'm not going to do the footwork for you, but it's all out there and easily found.

Way to weasel out of it since you have no evidence. But it also further proves you don't know what your talking about. Where are you going to find public disclosures of privately held companies??? :roll:

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
You've yet to prove a single thing. You've got nothing.

This is fact. Go review their published financial documents and press releases. I'm not going to do the footwork for you, but it's all out there and easily found.

Way to weasel out of it since you have no evidence. But it also further proves you don't know what your talking about. Where are you going to find public disclosures of privately held companies??? :roll:

1) "You're"

2) Ubisoft, EA, Vivendi, Activision are privately held all of a sudden?

3) Sigh. Fine, so you're lazy. Then I will do a *bit* of the footwork to get you started.

First, we have EA's investor relations page with a wealth of information on where the money is coming from and where it's going. I'll link you directly to their annual reports page, so your clicking finger doesn't get a cramp:

Text

Would you like a quarterly report from Activison?

Here's their latest

Maybe you'd like to take a look at Ubisoft's Investor Information Page?

Have a looksie

Maybe you're so damned intent on remaining ignorant of what you speak on that you won't even click a direct link to a PDF of UbiSoft's 3rd Q 08 sales press release.

I gathered all this together with about ten minutes of effort on Google.

And you can damn sure bet I'm not going to comb through it all, read it for you, and then make neat little pie charts for you on where each company gets the majority of the revenue. I've spent a lot of time reading through these documents for my own reasons (primarily education on the subject, which you seem to lack) and understanding, and have no desire to do so again just to correct your hard-headed ignorance.

If you want to be more knowledgable about the financial aspects of the electronic gaming industry, then go gain that knowledge for yourself. It's not my job to spoonfeed it to you, and I lose nothing by refusing to do so. You, on the other hand, miss an easy opportunity to not make patently false statements because they are representative of the reality you'd like to believe in.

Now, go read, and if you want to come back and say "My previous claims were wrong, but I don't want to believe that so I'm going to bury my head in the sand." like Mac already did, that's fine, but just know it puts you in the same category as the "world is flat" and "evolution doesn't occur" crews.

Good day, sir.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You do realize this is the PC gaming forum don't you? Of course a lot of the people are going to canonize PC gaming over all else here. It's like going to the Republican National Convention and saying, come on guys, Democrats are politicians too, can't we all just get along; group hug! A lot of the Republicans would be a little defensive I think.

By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

KT

Really a bad analogy in my opinion. We're not talking about directly opposed ideologies here. We're talking about whether you prefer to get your water from the tap, or buy bottled.

Some of us (randay, myself...) are wise enough to realize water is fucking water, and the source doesn't matter.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You do realize this is the PC gaming forum don't you? Of course a lot of the people are going to canonize PC gaming over all else here. It's like going to the Republican National Convention and saying, come on guys, Democrats are politicians too, can't we all just get along; group hug! A lot of the Republicans would be a little defensive I think.

By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

KT

Really a bad analogy in my opinion. We're not talking about directly opposed ideologies here. We're talking about whether you prefer to get your water from the tap, or buy bottled.

Some of us (randay, myself...) are wise enough to realize water is fucking water, and the source doesn't matter.

that is an even poorer analogy ... bottled water is a huge waste of energy compared to tap water and then there is the problem of plastic bottle to dispose of
--the source does matter; transporting it thousands of miles is environmentally wasteful

PC gaming is having an renaissance ... they are doing far better now than 3 years ago ... consoles have began to stagnate

here is a little something for you to chew on ... don't choke:

Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You do realize this is the PC gaming forum don't you? Of course a lot of the people are going to canonize PC gaming over all else here. It's like going to the Republican National Convention and saying, come on guys, Democrats are politicians too, can't we all just get along; group hug! A lot of the Republicans would be a little defensive I think.

By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

KT

Really a bad analogy in my opinion. We're not talking about directly opposed ideologies here. We're talking about whether you prefer to get your water from the tap, or buy bottled.

Some of us (randay, myself...) are wise enough to realize water is fucking water, and the source doesn't matter.

that is an even poorer analogy ... bottled water is a huge waste of energy compared to tap water and then there is the problem of plastic bottle to dispose of
--the source does matter; transporting it thousands of miles is environmentally wasteful

PC gaming is having an renaissance ... they are doing far better now than 3 years ago ... consoles have began to stagnate

here is a little something for you to chew on ... don't choke:

Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

Oh, I think PC gaming's doing better than it ever has. Just look at the number of AAA titles that could be had on the PC in 2007. It was a banner year, definitely some of the best stuff to date.

However, this is because the industry as a whole is exploding.

And yeah - I saw that interview, and that among other reasons is why I love Valve so much. Definitely the best development house in the business, but as has been discussed, they're not the typical developer - and even they are releasing multi-platform to sop up some of that easy console money.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You do realize this is the PC gaming forum don't you? Of course a lot of the people are going to canonize PC gaming over all else here. It's like going to the Republican National Convention and saying, come on guys, Democrats are politicians too, can't we all just get along; group hug! A lot of the Republicans would be a little defensive I think.

By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

KT

Really a bad analogy in my opinion. We're not talking about directly opposed ideologies here. We're talking about whether you prefer to get your water from the tap, or buy bottled.

Some of us (randay, myself...) are wise enough to realize water is fucking water, and the source doesn't matter.

that is an even poorer analogy ... bottled water is a huge waste of energy compared to tap water and then there is the problem of plastic bottle to dispose of
--the source does matter; transporting it thousands of miles is environmentally wasteful

PC gaming is having an renaissance ... they are doing far better now than 3 years ago ... consoles have began to stagnate

here is a little something for you to chew on ... don't choke:

Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

Oh, I think PC gaming's doing better than it ever has. Just look at the number of AAA titles that could be had on the PC in 2007. It was a banner year, definitely some of the best stuff to date.

However, this is because the industry as a whole is exploding.

And yeah - I saw that interview, and that among other reasons is why I love Valve so much. Definitely the best development house in the business, but as has been discussed, they're not the typical developer - and even they are releasing multi-platform to sop up some of that easy console money.

you are *so close* but just continue logically for a moment ...
you agree that "the industry as a whole is exploding"

i present to you that PC gaming is the driving force in the industry again ... even though the console games are still raking in the bucks the *creativity* - the 'spark' - is alive again in PC gaming and they are trying to channel that creativity into the consoles.

Most of the PC ports that were only designed for the console are simply awful and gamers can see right thru them - no matter how many reviewers the industry "buys" ... it has taken MS 8 years ... and they still can't make a profit on Xbox platform despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: ja1484

I do the same - it always seemed the sensible position to me, but I guess some people have to have a cause...ANY cause, as long as it's something to wave a banner about. It's kind of funny, because the kind of zealotry we're seeing in this thread right now is precisely what the PA guys were jabbing at with their title of "The Alien, The Mutant, The Heretic." How DARE someone suggest that PC gaming is simply an option now, rather than the goal for which all gaming mediums strive?!?!

:roll:

I don't see that much PC zealotry... I've seen a few posts slandering Penny Arcade (one of my favorite webcomics) and a few zealots defending either console gaming or PC gaming. It has hardly been a one-sided argument.

Frankly, some gaming is just better on PC. I can't play any RTS or R4 games on a console - generally, these games aren't released on console anyway. I also prefer using a mouse+keyboard in FPS, although it's true that I could hook up a USB mouse+keyboard to a console. On the other hand, I need to play RPGs and Adventure games (Resident Evil, Devil May Cry) on consoles. It is necessary to use both a PC AND consoles to have a full, satisfying gaming experience.

Consoles and PCs aren't quite as separate as they used to be, which is why I feel console gaming has become so much popular amongst PC enthusiasts. I always preferred PC games because I could download demos and add-on content. Now I can download demos and add-on content for many console games, too (although the add-on content costs money).

 

[Maximilian]

The only way pc gaming will die is if EA gets its grubby hands on more successful pc franchises. It wouldnt surprise me if EA was on sony and nintendos paylist to destroy pc gaming once and for all. Activision blizzard will stop this though!

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

I bought an Xbox last week (burn the heretic! ). PC gaming has been mostly disappointing in the last year and I'm tired of waiting to have some real fun, not just going through the motions. The main exception is Portal which is winning awards and rightfully so. Hopefully it gave other developers a kick up the arse and woke them up to what they're doing wrong. I'm not abandoning the PC as I'm sure there'll be some good stuff eventually, cough VALVE, but the stream of overhyped and exceedingly average games is overwhelming. That includes Bioshock, C&C3, COD4, Crysis and UT3. I wouldn't rate any of these above 60%. The rabid fans among you may bring gasoline to the aforementioned burning to avenge my compounded heresy.

As Eeezee said, the lines are blurring and limiting yourself to one platform is a waste. I'm currently playing the GTA 3/VC/SA trilogy on PC and a whole truck-load of stuff for the XBOX.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You do realize this is the PC gaming forum don't you? Of course a lot of the people are going to canonize PC gaming over all else here. It's like going to the Republican National Convention and saying, come on guys, Democrats are politicians too, can't we all just get along; group hug! A lot of the Republicans would be a little defensive I think.

By the way I just came from purchasing my PS3 and they forced me to take a free copy of Virtual Fighter 5, anyone want it?

KT

Really a bad analogy in my opinion. We're not talking about directly opposed ideologies here. We're talking about whether you prefer to get your water from the tap, or buy bottled.

Some of us (randay, myself...) are wise enough to realize water is fucking water, and the source doesn't matter.

that is an even poorer analogy ... bottled water is a huge waste of energy compared to tap water and then there is the problem of plastic bottle to dispose of
--the source does matter; transporting it thousands of miles is environmentally wasteful

PC gaming is having an renaissance ... they are doing far better now than 3 years ago ... consoles have began to stagnate

here is a little something for you to chew on ... don't choke:

Forget John Romero - XBox360 and PS3 ARE *Doomed*

Oh, I think PC gaming's doing better than it ever has. Just look at the number of AAA titles that could be had on the PC in 2007. It was a banner year, definitely some of the best stuff to date.

However, this is because the industry as a whole is exploding.

And yeah - I saw that interview, and that among other reasons is why I love Valve so much. Definitely the best development house in the business, but as has been discussed, they're not the typical developer - and even they are releasing multi-platform to sop up some of that easy console money.

you are *so close* but just continue logically for a moment ...
you agree that "the industry as a whole is exploding"

i present to you that PC gaming is the driving force in the industry again ... even though the console games are still raking in the bucks the *creativity* - the 'spark' - is alive again in PC gaming and they are trying to channel that creativity into the consoles.

I have a hard time thinking there aren't talented developers in all the arenas. One of the best titles I played last year on my PC (BioShock) was console first development, and one of the titles I'm looking most forward to this coming year (Mass Effect) was console first.

There have been amazing titles that were PC first or exclusive as well (I can't wait for STALKER: Clear Sky and StarCraft II).

I'd be willing to entertain this thought, but I'm going to need more evidence that it's just PC creative juices flowing to another platform than just your personal theory.

But all this is beside the point - again, we're not talking about what games are best where here - we're talking about dollars, plain and simple.

Most of the PC ports that were only designed for the console are simply awful and gamers can see right thru them - no matter how many reviewers the industry "buys" ... it has taken MS 8 years ... and they still can't make a profit on Xbox platform despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising.

Actually, they already have. And again, that's beside the point - Microsoft's Xbox division as a hardware provider is a different entity from the third party developers and publishers which provide the majority of the platform's content. I'm sure Infinity Ward is just fine with how COD4's profit numbers look on the 360...

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ja1484

I do the same - it always seemed the sensible position to me, but I guess some people have to have a cause...ANY cause, as long as it's something to wave a banner about. It's kind of funny, because the kind of zealotry we're seeing in this thread right now is precisely what the PA guys were jabbing at with their title of "The Alien, The Mutant, The Heretic." How DARE someone suggest that PC gaming is simply an option now, rather than the goal for which all gaming mediums strive?!?!

:roll:

I don't see that much PC zealotry... I've seen a few posts slandering Penny Arcade (one of my favorite webcomics) and a few zealots defending either console gaming or PC gaming. It has hardly been a one-sided argument.

Frankly, some gaming is just better on PC. I can't play any RTS or R4 games on a console - generally, these games aren't released on console anyway. I also prefer using a mouse+keyboard in FPS, although it's true that I could hook up a USB mouse+keyboard to a console. On the other hand, I need to play RPGs and Adventure games (Resident Evil, Devil May Cry) on consoles. It is necessary to use both a PC AND consoles to have a full, satisfying gaming experience.

Consoles and PCs aren't quite as separate as they used to be, which is why I feel console gaming has become so much popular amongst PC enthusiasts. I always preferred PC games because I could download demos and add-on content. Now I can download demos and add-on content for many console games, too (although the add-on content costs money).

My thoughts exactly.