Great news & a wise decision by everyone on that growing list. As I've said before, this is the only way any of those players will ever have a shot at making it to the next level.
Great news & a wise decision by everyone on that growing list. As I've said before, this is the only way any of those players will ever have a shot at making it to the next level.
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The kicker/punter going to Texas was pretty much forced out by his parents who wanted him to have nothing more to do with the school. This will be a common theme for years for PSU.
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Penn State trustees file appeal
Updated: August 6, 2012, 6:13 PM ET
By Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com
A Penn State board of trustee member filed an appeal Monday afternoon with the NCAA over sanctions levied against the university after the Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse scandal.
Three other trustees joined the appeal, which states that the consent decree university president Rodney Erickson signed with the NCAA agreeing to the sanctions is "null and void" because Erickson "lacked the legal authority" to enter into such an agreement without the board's approval.
Trustees and a person with first-hand knowledge of the discussions said the move is a precursor to a federal lawsuit asking a judge to invalidate the sanctions, because trustees expect the NCAA to reject the appeal.
The appeal, sent to the NCAA from attorneys hired by Ryan J. McCombie, a retired Navy SEAL who joined the 32-member board in June, also challenges the NCAA on the following fronts:
• The NCAA did not give Penn State trustees and the university due process when it did not follow its usual investigation and enforcement procedures.
• The consent decree is fundamentally unfair because it relies on the Freeh report, which "contains findings and conclusions not that are contrary to the evidence presented ..."
• The sanctions are "excessive and unreasonable" because they inflict "permanent damage to an entire generation of student-athletes and coaches who were innocent of any wrongdoing during their time on campus ..."
Erickson signed the consent decree late last month with the NCAA after consulting with board chairwoman Karen Peetz and university counsel, but he did not bring the decree to the full board for review or a vote.
The package of sanctions included a $60 million fine, a four-year bowl ban, scholarship losses and the vacating of wins from 1998 through 2011.
McCombie hired Boston attorneys Paul Kelly and Gregg Clifton of Jackson Lewis to file the appeal and wrote a letter to trustees Monday afternoon asking them to join him in his effort. Three trustees nearly immediately joined him. Kelly declined to comment, and McCombie did not return a message seeking comment.
McCombie, one of three new trustees elected by alumni to the board, was one of the most outspoken trustees at a July 25 board session about Erickson not consulting a majority of trustees before signing the consent decree, trustees said.
After that three-hour session in State College, the board issued a statement saying it was standing by Erickson's decision to sign the consent decree. ESPN The Magazine reported last week the university was facing a four-year death penalty if Erickson had not signed the decree, and that the NCAA had warned Penn State that if there were a leak about proposed sanctions to the media, the discussions would end and the death penalty would be all but certain.
In his letter to trustees Monday, McCombie wrote: "It is my belief that this matter did require board approval and that we should engage in a full, and complete, review. In the end, we all benefit from having this matter handled correctly and with full regard for due process -- only then can we be truly confident in the result and the actions we take as a board.
"Furthermore, only after we have given all involved the opportunity to be heard can we move forward together as one university."
Penn State spokesman David La Torre declined comment. NCAA spokesman Bob Williams could not be reached for comment.
Last week, attorneys for the family of former coach Joe Paterno requested the NCAA hold an "open hearing" before its Infractions Appeals Committee of the package of sanctions accepted by Penn State. The NCAA quickly rejected their request.
"The Penn State sanctions are not subject to appeal," Williams said last week.
McCombie closed his letter by writing: "I know my actions will be poorly received by some on this board and in the community at large. To that end it would be easier to remain silent and allow these unfair actions to remain unchallenged. I cannot do this."
Much of the McCombie appeal takes aim at the Freeh report, an investigation commissioned by the board of trustees last November after the Sandusky sex-abuse charges became known. The board hired former FBI director Louis B. Freeh for $6.5 million to investigate the university's role in the sex abuse scandal.
Freeh's report contains damning allegations against university employees and trustees, concluding that the board did not perform its oversight duties. The NCAA relied on the Freeh report to determine what sanctions should be handed down to Penn State.
Updated: August 6, 2012, 6:13 PM ET
By Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com
A Penn State board of trustee member filed an appeal Monday afternoon with the NCAA over sanctions levied against the university after the Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse scandal.
Three other trustees joined the appeal, which states that the consent decree university president Rodney Erickson signed with the NCAA agreeing to the sanctions is "null and void" because Erickson "lacked the legal authority" to enter into such an agreement without the board's approval.
Trustees and a person with first-hand knowledge of the discussions said the move is a precursor to a federal lawsuit asking a judge to invalidate the sanctions, because trustees expect the NCAA to reject the appeal.
The appeal, sent to the NCAA from attorneys hired by Ryan J. McCombie, a retired Navy SEAL who joined the 32-member board in June, also challenges the NCAA on the following fronts:
• The NCAA did not give Penn State trustees and the university due process when it did not follow its usual investigation and enforcement procedures.
• The consent decree is fundamentally unfair because it relies on the Freeh report, which "contains findings and conclusions not that are contrary to the evidence presented ..."
• The sanctions are "excessive and unreasonable" because they inflict "permanent damage to an entire generation of student-athletes and coaches who were innocent of any wrongdoing during their time on campus ..."
Erickson signed the consent decree late last month with the NCAA after consulting with board chairwoman Karen Peetz and university counsel, but he did not bring the decree to the full board for review or a vote.
The package of sanctions included a $60 million fine, a four-year bowl ban, scholarship losses and the vacating of wins from 1998 through 2011.
McCombie hired Boston attorneys Paul Kelly and Gregg Clifton of Jackson Lewis to file the appeal and wrote a letter to trustees Monday afternoon asking them to join him in his effort. Three trustees nearly immediately joined him. Kelly declined to comment, and McCombie did not return a message seeking comment.
McCombie, one of three new trustees elected by alumni to the board, was one of the most outspoken trustees at a July 25 board session about Erickson not consulting a majority of trustees before signing the consent decree, trustees said.
After that three-hour session in State College, the board issued a statement saying it was standing by Erickson's decision to sign the consent decree. ESPN The Magazine reported last week the university was facing a four-year death penalty if Erickson had not signed the decree, and that the NCAA had warned Penn State that if there were a leak about proposed sanctions to the media, the discussions would end and the death penalty would be all but certain.
In his letter to trustees Monday, McCombie wrote: "It is my belief that this matter did require board approval and that we should engage in a full, and complete, review. In the end, we all benefit from having this matter handled correctly and with full regard for due process -- only then can we be truly confident in the result and the actions we take as a board.
"Furthermore, only after we have given all involved the opportunity to be heard can we move forward together as one university."
Penn State spokesman David La Torre declined comment. NCAA spokesman Bob Williams could not be reached for comment.
Last week, attorneys for the family of former coach Joe Paterno requested the NCAA hold an "open hearing" before its Infractions Appeals Committee of the package of sanctions accepted by Penn State. The NCAA quickly rejected their request.
"The Penn State sanctions are not subject to appeal," Williams said last week.
McCombie closed his letter by writing: "I know my actions will be poorly received by some on this board and in the community at large. To that end it would be easier to remain silent and allow these unfair actions to remain unchallenged. I cannot do this."
Much of the McCombie appeal takes aim at the Freeh report, an investigation commissioned by the board of trustees last November after the Sandusky sex-abuse charges became known. The board hired former FBI director Louis B. Freeh for $6.5 million to investigate the university's role in the sex abuse scandal.
Freeh's report contains damning allegations against university employees and trustees, concluding that the board did not perform its oversight duties. The NCAA relied on the Freeh report to determine what sanctions should be handed down to Penn State.
i thought they were given the option of taking the penalties or get the death sentence? so if they are appealing then the NCAA can give them the death penalty if they want to appeal it
They push back at the NCAA hard enough and make this more of a shitshow than it already is, and the NCAA will simply expel them.
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I hope that the NCAA just backs down from all the sanctions, says to PedoState "Fine, you want to appeal, it's on bitch!" and then crawls up PSU's ass with a subpoena and a flashlight. Go through all the legal wranglings necessary, cross every t, dot every i, close every loophole and make sure PSU receives due process according to the letter of the law. And when they're found guilty give them a 10 year death penalty.
waggy
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I think this is a bad idea. they aren't helping
Though i do agree the NCAA didn't fallow bylaws or rules. but hell i wouldn't piss them off. they got a slap in the wrist compared to what people wanted.
I am glad the NCAA was aware enough to allow discretion to be used. kids got raped in the ass. over many years. the hell with procedures and bylaws. the penalties are completely fair. the kids already got hurt and it was the coaches doing it. hopefully at least one generation of people will be effected by this.
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PSU is begging for a fight with the NCAA with this callout. I hope they entertain the fight and get the KO. PSU is still dazed & confused from the first knockdown, not recognizing that the NCAA is standing in their corner. PSU better be ready for a 1-2...this time it won't just leave a mark, like that first punch did. I guess this is what any stubborn, inexperienced fighter would do.
I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA shuts the whole damn program down for 4 years.
I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA shuts the whole damn program down for 4 years.
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Gibsons
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why would you say that? Great players can come from bad college teams, happens all the time. In some cases it might even help as they'll get more playing time.
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You've continually missed the fact that the NCAA could just expel Pedd State from the NCAA for gross ethical misconduct. There are no rules covering the enabling of at least a decades worth of serial child rape. Therefore, the NCAA can do whatever the fuck it wants.
I thought it was pretty obvious, but since it wasn't, I'll point it out.
1. No Big Ten championship opportunity for exposure
2. No Bowl Game opportunity for exposure
3. Most likely won't receive an invitation to the Senior Bowl...no exposure
4. Possible cancellation of nationally televised PSU games...no exposure
5. Most likely won't receive an invitation to the East / West game...no exposure
So what does this mean to a PSU junior or senior? Any NFL scout will have to go out of their way (not implying they never do) to hunt down PSU film on a specific player. Why would they? With all of the other top D1 schools to choose from, and to not have to deal with any potential BS from PSU, why even bother? Spend another 30 minutes on your flight & hit up Florida, FSU & Miami instead. Why waste your resources on a lost cause?
Think about it from a time / cost management perspective as a high level NFL scout.
The list of transfers seems to be growing daily. Pretty soon, PSU will be lucky to fill the roster. It's a sinking ship. I thought everyone figured that out by now.
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Former PSU players intend to appeal
A group of former Penn State players, led by former quarterback Michael Robinson, has notified the NCAA that it intends to appeal the harsh sanctions placed upon the football program for the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
Paul V. Kelly, an attorney for former Nittany Lions quarterback Michael Robinson and seven others who played for Penn State at some point during the 14 seasons in which the NCAA vacated victories, sent an intent to appeal letter (PDF) to the NCAA dated Aug. 7.
A Penn State trustee has sent a similar letter to the NCAA, though the governing body for college sports has said the sanctions are not subject to appeal.
The group is challenging the consent decree Penn State President Rodney Erickson signed when the school accepted the penalties last month, as well as the findings in the Freeh report, which the NCAA used instead of doing its own investigation.
"The Appellants challenge the factual findings and conclusions of the consent decree and of the underlying investigative report by Sporkin & Sullivan (the "Freeh Report"), which -- without notice, investigation or hearing as required -- provided the predicate for the actions taken by the NCAA in this matter."
The letter says many of the findings in the report "are clearly erroneous and not supported by the evidence."
"By these unsupported findings, the Appellants have been forever branded as somehow contributing to a 'culture' on campus that enabled these unlawful acts against children to continue. Meaning no disrespect to the victims of abuse, these findings are unfair and they are wrong."
Robinson played at Penn State from 2001-05 and is currently with the Seattle Seahawks. Also named in the letter were ex-assistant coach Bill Kenney and former players Anwar Phillips (2001-05), Josh Gaines (2004-08), Shamar Finney (1998-2002), Richard Gardner (1999-2003), Gerald Cadogan (2004-08), Anthony Adams (1998-2002) and Justin Kurpeikis (1996-2000).
Former Penn State linebacker Brandon Short, who played seven seasons in the NFL from 2000-06, sent a letter to a group of former teammates. While he isn't part of the appeal, he wrote:
"The appeal to the NCAA that this group of Letterman are filing is a tangible example of how the Penn State Letterman can act to effect positive change. These letterman are acting on behalf of all of us who played, all who are playing and all who will play at Penn State. While this initiative is currently being lead by players from 1998-2011 they represent ALL of us."
The penalties handed down last month included a four-bowl ban, scholarship cuts and 111 vacated wins from 1998-2011 under late coach Joe Paterno, knocking the Hall of Famer from the top spot on the career victories list in major college football.
Sandusky is awaiting sentencing in jail after being convicted in June on 45 criminal counts.
Acting with rare speed, the NCAA announced sanctions July 23 after Penn State handed over results of Freeh's investigation.
The school accepted the sanctions and signed off on a consent decree, with Erickson saying later he didn't see a better option since the threat of the "death penalty," or the total shutdown of the football program, loomed over the school.
A group of former Penn State players, led by former quarterback Michael Robinson, has notified the NCAA that it intends to appeal the harsh sanctions placed upon the football program for the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
Paul V. Kelly, an attorney for former Nittany Lions quarterback Michael Robinson and seven others who played for Penn State at some point during the 14 seasons in which the NCAA vacated victories, sent an intent to appeal letter (PDF) to the NCAA dated Aug. 7.
A Penn State trustee has sent a similar letter to the NCAA, though the governing body for college sports has said the sanctions are not subject to appeal.
The group is challenging the consent decree Penn State President Rodney Erickson signed when the school accepted the penalties last month, as well as the findings in the Freeh report, which the NCAA used instead of doing its own investigation.
"The Appellants challenge the factual findings and conclusions of the consent decree and of the underlying investigative report by Sporkin & Sullivan (the "Freeh Report"), which -- without notice, investigation or hearing as required -- provided the predicate for the actions taken by the NCAA in this matter."
The letter says many of the findings in the report "are clearly erroneous and not supported by the evidence."
"By these unsupported findings, the Appellants have been forever branded as somehow contributing to a 'culture' on campus that enabled these unlawful acts against children to continue. Meaning no disrespect to the victims of abuse, these findings are unfair and they are wrong."
Robinson played at Penn State from 2001-05 and is currently with the Seattle Seahawks. Also named in the letter were ex-assistant coach Bill Kenney and former players Anwar Phillips (2001-05), Josh Gaines (2004-08), Shamar Finney (1998-2002), Richard Gardner (1999-2003), Gerald Cadogan (2004-08), Anthony Adams (1998-2002) and Justin Kurpeikis (1996-2000).
Former Penn State linebacker Brandon Short, who played seven seasons in the NFL from 2000-06, sent a letter to a group of former teammates. While he isn't part of the appeal, he wrote:
"The appeal to the NCAA that this group of Letterman are filing is a tangible example of how the Penn State Letterman can act to effect positive change. These letterman are acting on behalf of all of us who played, all who are playing and all who will play at Penn State. While this initiative is currently being lead by players from 1998-2011 they represent ALL of us."
The penalties handed down last month included a four-bowl ban, scholarship cuts and 111 vacated wins from 1998-2011 under late coach Joe Paterno, knocking the Hall of Famer from the top spot on the career victories list in major college football.
Sandusky is awaiting sentencing in jail after being convicted in June on 45 criminal counts.
Acting with rare speed, the NCAA announced sanctions July 23 after Penn State handed over results of Freeh's investigation.
The school accepted the sanctions and signed off on a consent decree, with Erickson saying later he didn't see a better option since the threat of the "death penalty," or the total shutdown of the football program, loomed over the school.
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