Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[sixone]

I was responding to your stupidity about the NCAA "not having institutional control" for what happened at PSU. You clearly have NO CLUE how the NCAA pursues leads or allegations. Here, let me spoon feed it to you:

Next up, want to take a guess who makes NCAA rules and who runs the NCAA?

Thank you for making my point.

Let me restate it for you:

It does suck, but their hands aren't tied. They'll go after PSU for no other purpose than protecting their own public image. That's the only benefit they can achieve at this late date - not having people claiming that they are "soft on crime".

 

[shortylickens]

The quotes I posted explain how the NCAA operates. If you disagree with them, please explain how.

HEY SIX!!!

Water, is wet.

 

[RPD]

Thank you for making my point.

Let me restate it for you:

Honestly, W T F is your point, at this juncture of the conversation?

 

[sixone]

HEY SIX!!!

Water, is wet.

Not if you make it hot or cold enough.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Trolololololololololololo

When are people going to stop wasting energy arguing with a wall troll.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Thank you for making my point.

Let me restate it for you:

You're the one claiming it is wrong for them to go after PSU and not the "guilty parties." I was the one that said with respect to the "guilty parties" who are no longer associated with the institution, their hands are tied and they have to go after the school per their bylaws. That is a fact. I KNOW they can go after PSU -- why do you think I mentioned "lack of institutional control" in SEVERAL POSTS?!?!?! Can you not put 1 and 1 together to get 2, or do I need to spell it out in extraordinarily minute detail?

My quote to Atomic Playboy, who wished the NCAA could go after the actual perpetrators:

As Gigantopithecus stated though, the NCAA has no legal authority to go after people who are no longer with the institution where the violations occurred. It might suck, but their hands are tied.

Again, this is in response to APB REGARDING THE PERPETRATORS WHO AREN'T AT THE INSTITUTION!!!

 

[RPD]

Not if you make it hot or cold enough.

Fail, if it's too hot, it's steam, too cold ice; jackass.

 

[waggy]

lol with six there comes a time when you just need to stop responding to her. no matter the argument she is going to get the last word in. No matter how bad it makes her look. it does not matter as long as she gets that last word in! to her that is victory.

 

[sixone]

Honestly, W T F is your point, at this juncture of the conversation?

The NCAA doesn't prohibit anything. They swoop in after the situation has been resolved, and impose punishments on anyone left standing, regardless of whether any of the guilty individuals are still associated with the school.

An "open secret" that was supposedly known to other member schools somehow managed to escape the notice of the NCAA. Will any of those schools be sanctioned for not reporting, just as PSU failed to report?

Of course not. Because this isn't about fairness or justice. It's not about punishing the guilty, or deterring the not-yet-guilty, or giving an incentive to report as soon as a violation is discovered.

None of those are the goals. But they should be.

 

[sixone]

lol with six there comes a time when you just need to stop responding to her. no matter the argument she is going to get the last word in. No matter how bad it makes her look. it does not matter as long as she gets that last word in! to her that is victory.

Nah. Victory comes when people resort to posts like this, because they can't form a coherent post to refute mine.

 

[waggy]

Nah. Victory comes when people resort to posts like this, because they can't form a coherent post to refute mine.

/game set match.

thank you for proving my point

/me waits for her "witty" retort to this since she has to have last word.

 

[sixone]

/game set match.

thank you for proving my point

/me waits for her "witty" retort to this since she has to have last word.

word

 

[shortylickens]

word

THERE SHE GOES!!




I love u guys.

 

[waggy]

THERE SHE GOES!!




I love u guys.

yeah rather predictable. kinda like getting the runs after bad Mexican food. except the diarrhea comes from her mouth (or keyboard in this case)

 

[sixone]

THERE SHE GOES!!




I love u guys.

Love you, too, shorty.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The NCAA doesn't prohibit anything. They swoop in after the situation has been resolved, and impose punishments on anyone left standing, regardless of whether any of the guilty individuals are still associated with the school.

Errr, what? I see you still don't understand how it works.

An "open secret" that was supposedly known to other member schools somehow managed to escape the notice of the NCAA. Will any of those schools be sanctioned for not reporting, just as PSU failed to report?

Please review my earlier post about how the NCAA investigates. Also, note that the NCAA was quite clear that it would not interfere with the legal investigation and in fact, would likely use findings from the legal case in its own investigation:

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf

Of course not. Because this isn't about fairness or justice. It's not about punishing the guilty, or deterring the not-yet-guilty, or giving an incentive to report as soon as a violation is discovered.

How can the NCAA punish the 'guilty' when they're no longer at the school? Please, enlighten all of us.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

How can the NCAA punish the 'guilty' when they're no longer at the school? Please, enlighten all of us.

Prevent them from getting a job at another NCAA school. Place them on a list of banned individuals. If any school hires one of those banned individuals, they are given hefty penalties or removed entirely from the NCAA. The punishment follows the people who committed the transgression, not the program itself.

 

[sixone]

Errr, what? I see you still don't understand how it works.

Please review my earlier post about how the NCAA investigates. Also, note that the NCAA was quite clear that it would not interfere with the legal investigation and in fact, would likely use findings from the legal case in its own investigation:

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf

How can the NCAA punish the 'guilty' when they're no longer at the school? Please, enlighten all of us.

That IS my point. The NCAA is going to penalize the school, even though the guilty have been fired, charged, smeared, etc.

By the time the NCAA takes any action, the wrongdoing will be long over, and the institution will have been purged of the guilty parties. Any action at that point will not serve any purpose other than PR.

 

[waggy]

Prevent them from getting a job at another NCAA school. Place them on a list of banned individuals. If any school hires one of those banned individuals, they are given hefty penalties or removed entirely from the NCAA. The punishment follows the people who committed the transgression, not the program itself.

and if they retire? or go to the pro's?

I do support banning them though. everyone involved with this needs to be banned from being around kids.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Prevent them from getting a job at another NCAA school.

The NCAA does not have the power to prevent coaching hires or even the authority to regulate coaching salaries. IIRC (I'd have to verify), sanctions can follow coaches to other schools, however.

Place them on a list of banned individuals. If any school hires one of those banned individuals, they are given hefty penalties or removed entirely from the NCAA. The punishment follows the people who committed the transgression, not the program itself.

I believe that sanctions can follow coaches. I'm sure there are many stipulations involved, but this was a case I recall:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2006-05-25-oklahoma-sampson-indiana_x.htm

 

[sixone]

and if they retire? or go to the pro's?

I do support banning them though. everyone involved with this needs to be banned from being around kids.

The professional leagues ought to honor any NCAA bans, or face the wrath of ticket-buying fans. Let the free market have the last word.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

How can the NCAA punish the 'guilty' when they're no longer at the school? Please, enlighten all of us.

Blacklisting them - making any sanctions handed out against individuals follow them to new institutions for a certain period of time. However, that's a rather impotent punishment. That's why Pete and Jim had to go pro, where it's expected the players get paid.

Regarding PSU, I think the NCAA will likely hand down a death penalty lite punishment. Not so severe as SMU's, but enough that the program will be bottom-barrel for at least two or three years. Postseason bans, scholarship reductions, and the like. Then again considering the level of lunacy you read online from some PSU supporters, it might take a lot more than that to get it through their thick skulls that football is less important than doing what you can to stop child rape. And I suspect that PSU will eventually take JoePa's name off of their library and take his statue down if it becomes apparent that he was in fact enabling Sandusky.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

That IS my point. The NCAA is going to penalize the school, even though the guilty have been fired, charged, smeared, etc.

And again, you've been told repeatedly that it is the NCAA's job to investigate the conduct of the school to see if any violations of "lack of institutional control" and other such bylaws existed. If punishment is not levied in cases where "guilty" findings are made, it would just encourage schools to try to skirt the law and then have people quit/leave at the first sign of trouble.

I noticed that you dodged my earlier question, so I will be courteous and repeat it: Who makes NCAA rules? Who effectively runs the NCAA?

 

[waggy]

The professional leagues ought to honor any NCAA bans, or face the wrath of ticket-buying fans. Let the free market have the last word.

LOL yeah right.

so what happens when it comes to light a year latter what the coach/kid did? you can't break a contract. and the NCAA can't punish the team

 

[Atomic Playboy]

and if they retire? or go to the pro's?

I do support banning them though. everyone involved with this needs to be banned from being around kids.

If they retire, problem solved, they can no longer be paid to do what they were doing, and if what they were doing was illegal, they can be subject to punishment from the courts as well (which is honestly more appropriate). If they go to the pros? Well, I think the NCAA should try reaching out to the NFL and making a case that someone who violated sanctions at the collegiate level shouldn't be allowed to escape those sanctions at the pro level. Those organizations are inexorably tied. And the Colts did just that when they brought in Tressel; they kept him banned for several games because of the NCAA sanctions against him. That's the right thing to do. Punish the people who made the decisions, not the thousands of people who had nothing to do with it but will be impacted by shutting down football at an institution the size of PSU.