Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[IndyColtsFan]

Yes, and that's my biggest issue with the NCAA. Whenever people break the rules, the organization takes steps to get rid of them, but the NCAA sanctions still hit the institution and not the people who actually broke the rules. It happened with Carroll and Bush at USC; they break the rules, they move on the more lucrative pastures in the NFL and the school gets fucked. It happened with Tressell at OSU; he breaks the rules, he gets fined by OSU, he moves on to the NFL (where the Colts had the good sense to suspend him for his involvement in the scandal), the school gets fucked. It happened with SMU, where the players and coaches involved all jumped ship before the death penalty killed the football program at the school for decades and the Southwest Conference they were part of. Now it will happen with PSU; everyone involved with the scandal is gone, in jail or dead, but the school is still fucked. It's a reactionary way of doling out punishment, but punishment isn't effective if it doesn't actually punish the individuals who made the poor choices in the first place.

As Gigantopithecus stated though, the NCAA has no legal authority to go after people who are no longer with the institution where the violations occurred. It might suck, but their hands are tied.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yes, and that's my biggest issue with the NCAA. Whenever people break the rules, the organization takes steps to get rid of them, but the NCAA sanctions still hit the institution and not the people who actually broke the rules. It happened with Carroll and Bush at USC; they break the rules, they move on the more lucrative pastures in the NFL and the school gets fucked. It happened with Tressell at OSU; he breaks the rules, he gets fined by OSU, he moves on to the NFL (where the Colts had the good sense to suspend him for his involvement in the scandal), the school gets fucked. It happened with SMU, where the players and coaches involved all jumped ship before the death penalty killed the football program at the school for decades and the Southwest Conference they were part of. Now it will happen with PSU; everyone involved with the scandal is gone, in jail or dead, but the school is still fucked. It's a reactionary way of doling out punishment, but punishment isn't effective if it doesn't actually punish the individuals who made the poor choices in the first place.

In your example, no criminal behavior occurred to be able to charge those individuals. And again, these individuals represent the institution. An institutions making millions of dollars from these individuals and ultimately the institution is the one responsible for the behavior of it's employees.

 

[sixone]

As Gigantopithecus stated though, the NCAA has no legal authority to go after people who are no longer with the institution where the violations occurred. It might suck, but their hands are tied.

It does suck, but their hands aren't tied. They'll go after PSU for no other purpose than protecting their own public image. That's the only benefit they can achieve at this late date - not having people claiming that they are "soft on crime".

 

[zinfamous]

Are you changing the subject because you have no argument for the one we're already discussing?

My..that sounds familiar.

NCAA rules obviously DIDN'T prohibit child rape, or covering it up. In ten+ years, they didn't stop any of this from happening.

They should be held to the same standard as PSU, and punished accordingly.

 

[sixone]

My..that sounds familiar.

Are you having difficulty understanding one or more of those words? Let me know which one/s and I'll do my best to explain.

 

[zinfamous]

It will be interesting to see if Penn State self-sanctions itself before the ncaa sanctions it, which is not uncommon for schools to do. This is certainly not a typical situation tho.

I was thinking earlier that PSU might hire a rather punitive admin on a short-term basis to mete out dire punishment and jump ship once all of the new policies are in place.

 

[zinfamous]

Are you having difficulty understanding one or more of those words? Let me know which one/s and I'll do my best to explain.

EDIT: I don't know if you were hit by a bus or whatever it is that causes you to function so slowly, but here:

Your accusing someone of changing the subject is hilarious in light of your attempt over the last page of this thread to turn this into an argument about the NCAA needing to punish itself.

Fucking hilarious.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It does suck, but their hands aren't tied. They'll go after PSU for no other purpose than protecting their own public image. That's the only benefit they can achieve at this late date - not having people claiming that they are "soft on crime".

I suggest you read up on how the NCAA works before talking about things you don't know about.

 

[preslove]

I suggest you read up on how the NCAA works before talking about things you don't know about.

She's been making shit up about things she's clueless about for hours on end. There's no saving her from her delusion and idiocy.

 

[Miramonti]

Sixone has all the condescending retorts but little to no basis in the argument. I guess when there is no substance to defend, try flaring the peacock feathers and see if that scares any logic away.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

She's been making shit up about things she's clueless about for hours on end. There's no saving her from her delusion and idiocy.

Yep. I suggest she familiarize herself with the phrase "lack of institutional control" for starters.

 

[sixone]

I suggest you read up on how the NCAA works before talking about things you don't know about.

You mean like this?

"Lack of institutional control" is NCAA-speak for 'this is a shitshow and we don't want it smearing the facade.' If SMU gets the death penalty for paying players, then PSU gets the death penalty for its head coach and other staffers covering up a child rapist.

YThe ncaa is responsible for holding the universities accountable, not just weeding out the bad apples.

And yet that's exactly how NCAA operates and how they punished schools.

The NCAA will sanction this corrupt, evil program after all the criminal proceedings are done. Once they have the facts, they'll punish.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You mean like this?

Exactly like those quotes, yet you still seem to not be getting it.

 

[sixone]

Yep. I suggest she familiarize herself with the phrase "lack of institutional control" for starters.

The NCAA clearly has a considerable "lack of institutional control", as evidenced by ten+ years of abuse at its member school.

Who's going to sanction them for that failure?

 

[Capt Caveman]

The NCAA clearly has a considerable "lack of institutional control", as evidenced by ten+ years of abuse at it's member school.

Who's going to sanction them for that failure?

Stop trolling and go away.

 

[preslove]

You mean like this?

Everyone here knows that you're an idiot making shit up because of some emotional attachment to Penn State. You lost the argument hours ago. Just shut the fuck up, already.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The NCAA clearly has a considerable "lack of institutional control", as evidenced by ten+ years of abuse at its member school.

Who's going to sanction them for that failure?

Again, you clearly have no clue how the NCAA operates or the definition of "lack of institutional control." Please review the appropriate NCAA bylaws before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

 

[waggy]

Again, you clearly have no clue how the NCAA operates or the definition of "lack of institutional control." Please review the appropriate NCAA bylaws before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

little late for that..

 

[IndyColtsFan]

little late for that..

Hey, it is Friday afternoon, just had a big lunch, and I'm bored. No skin off my back if she keeps digging her hole.

 

[sixone]

Everyone here knows that you're an idiot making shit up because of some emotional attachment to Penn State. You lost the argument hours ago. Just shut the fuck up, already.

Please quote the post where I expressed an "emotional attachment to Penn State".

Or you can admit/opt not to deny that you made that up.

 

[sixone]

Again, you clearly have no clue how the NCAA operates or the definition of "lack of institutional control." Please review the appropriate NCAA bylaws before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

The quotes I posted explain how the NCAA operates. If you disagree with them, please explain how.

 

[Miramonti]

Still reaching for something to win. Next step, go spelling/grammar nazi, you're bound to find something.

 

[RPD]

The quotes I posted explain how the NCAA operates. If you disagree with them, please explain how.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The quotes I posted explain how the NCAA operates. If you disagree with them, please explain how.

I was responding to your stupidity about the NCAA "not having institutional control" for what happened at PSU. You clearly have NO CLUE how the NCAA pursues leads or allegations. Here, let me spoon feed it to you:

Because it does not have the manpower to comprehensively police the more than 1,000 member institutions, the N.C.A.A. largely relies on a system of self-reporting. It urges colleges to come forward when they know of wrongdoing, promising lighter penalties than if violations are exposed other ways.

Next up, want to take a guess who makes NCAA rules and who runs the NCAA?

 

[zinfamous]

Is sixone an Alchemyst alt, or vice-versa?

:hmm:

it's nearly an identical level of cognitive dissonance.