Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Gibsons]

There is no way that she did not know what was going on. Even the step son is now coming forward. She needs to go down too.

They could at least get her for perjury, I hope.

 

[blankslate]

I heard that the school may be brought up for civil suits.

They should've taken more vigorous steps to look into the allegations rather than protect their precious sports program imo.

 

[Gibsons]

I heard that the school may be brought up for civil suits.

I'll be shocked if there aren't several.

 

[zinfamous]

"Penn State said it will invite the victims to participate in a program to facilitate resolution.

"The university wants to provide a forum where the university can privately, expeditiously and fairly address the victims' concerns and compensate them for claims relating to the University.""

Fuck Penn State they are only do this in hopes they don't get sued.

I heard that the school may be brought up for civil suits.

They should've taken more vigorous steps to look into the allegations rather than protect their precious sports program imo.

just compensate them through the AD budget. They are their own entity at PSU, and very little reason (outside of the Pres and PSU-PD) that the non-AD entities of the University need to be under such severe scrutiny.

Shut down Football (at least) for a few years, bleed those fuckers [the AD] dry, and let the University re-invent itself to something other than [perv-enabling] Jock U.

 

[Gibsons]

Shut down Football (at least) for a few years, bleed those fuckers [the AD] dry, and let the University re-invent itself to something other than [perv-enabling] Jock U.

One problem is that if you shut down football, there's not so much money to sue for.

I wouldn't mind seeing the former AD and maybe JoePa's estate catch a few lawsuits as well. Anyone involved in the coverup should be fair game.

 

[benzylic]

Disgusting.

Disturbing e-mails could spell more trouble for Penn State officials

(CNN) -- With convicted serial child sex abuser Jerry Sandusky behind bars, new questions are surfacing about what Penn State officials knew about a 2001 incident involving the former assistant football coach's encounter with a boy in the shower -- and whether they covered up the incident.

After the 2001 incident, Sandusky sexually abused other boys over the course of years until his arrest.

CNN does not have the purported e-mails. However, the alleged contents were made available to CNN.

The messages indicate former Penn State President Graham Spanier and two other former university officials knew they had a problem with Sandusky after a 2001 shower incident, but apparently first decided to handle it using a "humane" approach before contacting outside authorities whose job it is to investigate suspected abuse.

"This is a more humane and upfront way to handle this,' wrote Gary Schultz, then vice president at the university.

Records show no authorities were ever contacted and Sandusky was eventually charged with having sexual contact with four more boys after the 2001 incident. On June 22, Sandusky was convicted of abusing 10 boys over 15 years.

Painful chapter closes with Sandusky's conviction for child sex abuse
In an exchange of messages from February 26-28, 2001, Spanier allegedly acknowledges Penn State could be "vulnerable" for not reporting the incident, according to two sources with knowledge of the case.

"The only downside for us is if the message (to Sandusky) isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it," Spanier purportedly writes.

The alleged e-mails among Spanier, Schultz, 62, and former Athletic Director Tim Curley, 57, never mention Sandusky by name, instead referring to him as "the subject" and "the person." Children that Sandusky brought on campus --some of whom might have been victims -- are referred to as "guests."
The exchanges began 16 days after graduate assistant Mike McQueary first told Coach Joe Paterno on February 9, 2001, that McQueary believed he saw Sandusky make sexual contact with a boy in a locker room shower.
Since the scandal broke, Spanier, Schultz and Curley have publicly maintained McQueary reported only inappropriate conduct -- horsing around. The purported e-mails indicate the men could be at additional risk for not disclosing the matter to authorities. Schultz and Curley are currently charged with perjury and failing to report suspected child abuse. They have pleaded not guilty.

How the case unfolded

Paterno testified before a grand jury that McQueary was "very upset" and said he saw Sandusky "doing something with a youngster. It was a sexual nature," according to a transcript. Paterno testified he told his boss, Curley. Curley and Schultz contacted McQueary about a week and half later about the incident.

In an alleged e-mail dated February 26, 2001, Schultz writes to Curley that he assumes Curley's "got the ball" about a three-part plan to "talk with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," ... "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare," according to a source with knowledge of the case.
Schultz refers to Sandusky as the "subject" and Sandusky's Second Mile charity as the "charitable organization," according to a source with knowledge of the e-mails.

Pennsylvania law requires suspected child abuse be reported to outside authorities, including the state's child welfare agencies.

But then, something changes.

The next evening, February 27, Curley allegedly writes to Spanier. Schultz, who's out of the office for two weeks, is copied.

Victim No. 6: Violation and vindication

Curley refers to a meeting scheduled that day with Spanier and indicates they apparently discussed the Sandusky incident two days earlier.

Curley indicates he no longer wants to contact child welfare authorities just yet. He refers to a conversation the day before with Paterno. It's not known what Paterno may have said to Curley.

Curley writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
The athletic director apparently preferred to keep the situation an internal affair and talk things over with Sandusky instead of notifying the state's child welfare agency to investigate Sandusky's suspicious activity.

"I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," Curley allegedly continues.

Curley writes he'd be "more comfortable" meeting with Sandusky himself and telling him they know about the 2001 incident and -- according to a source with knowledge of the case -- refers to another shower incident with a boy in 1998 that was investigated by police, but never resulted in charges against Sandusky.

Curley writes to Penn State's president Spanier that he wants to meet with Sandusky, tell him there's "a problem," and that "we want to assist the individual to get professional help."

In the same purported e-mail provided to CNN, Curley goes on to suggest that if Sandusky "is cooperative," Penn State "would work with him" to tell Second Mile. If not, Curley states, the university will inform both Second Mile and outside authorities.

Sandusky's 'make-believe world'

Curley adds that he intends to inform Sandusky that his "guests" won't be allowed to use Penn State facilities anymore.

"What do you think of this approach?" Curley allegedly wrote to Spanier.
About two hours later, Spanier responded to Curley in another e-mail and copied Schultz. Spanier allegedly called the plan "acceptable", but worries whether it's the right thing to do, according to two sources.

"The only downside for us is if the message (to Sandusky) isn't 'heard' and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it," Spanier purportedly wrote.

"But that can be assessed down the down the road. The approach you outline is humane and a reasonable way to proceed," he adds.

The next afternoon, Schultz allegedly responded to the Penn State president and its athletic director. Schultz signs off on handling the matter without telling anyone on the outside, at least for now.

"This is a more humane and upfront way to handle this,' Schultz purportedly wrote. But he made clear Penn State should inform Sandusky's charity Second Mile "with or without (Sandusky's) cooperation."

As for telling child welfare authorities, he added, "we can play it by ear."
No one ever reported the 2001 shower incident. A decade later, a 2011 grand jury found no Pennsylvania law enforcement or child welfare agency was ever told.

"It was not only not humane to give Sandusky a pass, but inhumane towards young men who fell prey to him," said attorney Tom Kline, who represents Victim 5. About six months after the February 2001 incident witnessed by McQueary, Victim 5 was molested. Last week, Sandusky was convicted of having unlawful sexual contact with Victim 5, among 44 other counts involving nine other boys.

Schultz and Curley already are charged with perjury fofr allegedly lying to a grand jury and failure to reported suspected child abuse.

Sources say based on the e-mails and other documents, they could face additional charges. Spanier, sources say, could also be charged, law enforcement sources and legal experts say.

As part of an ongoing grand jury investigation, state prosecutors are pouring over the e-mails turned over by Penn State as part of its own investigation, led by former FBI Director Louis Freeh.

According to court papers, the government is also examining a Sandusky file left behind by Schultz. In a statement, Schultz's attorney Tom Farrell says Schultz who retired in 2009, did not keep any "secret" files.

Prosecutors say the file was created, maintained, and possessed by Schultz and assert documents in the file are "inconsistent" with statements made by Schultz and Curley to a grand jury.

One inconsistency may involve Schultz's grand jury testimony stating the state's child welfare agency was notified about the 2001 shower incident. "My recollection would be ... (in 2002) ... that they were asked to look into this allegation," Schultz testified.

He also testified any notes he "probably" took about the 2002 incident may have been destroyed when he retired in 2009.

Curley's grand jury testimony also appears inconsistent with the e-mails. In the messages, he refers to "a first situation" in 1998, yet he told a grand jury he wasn't aware of any other allegations of alleged sexual conduct involving Sandusky.

A prosecutor asked Curley: "Specifically, a 1998 report, did you know anything about that in 2002?" Curley responded: "No, ma'am."

Schultz and Curley, through their lawyers, consistently maintain McQueary didn't tell them about a sexual assault in 2001, and instead said McQueary described "inappropriate conduct" or horsing around.

McQueary has repeatedly testified he told Penn State officials he saw a boy with his hands up against a wall with Sandusky behind him and heard slapping, rhythmic sounds. He added that someone wouldn't have to be "a rocket scientist" to figure out what was going on.

A jury acquitted Sandusky of rape involving the 2001 incident, and instead found Sandusky guilty of several other counts involved in that shower incident including unlawful sexual contact.

Spanier's lawyer did not respond to calls from CNN seeking comment for this story.

According to Penn State's board of trustees, Spanier was fired last year because "he failed to meet his leadership responsibilities."

Shortly after his dismissal, Spanier issued a statement that said, in part, "I was stunned and outraged to learn that any predatory act might have occurred in a university facility or by someone associated with the university. ... I would never hesitate to report a crime if I had any suspicion that one had been committed."

In a statement to CNN, lawyers for Schultz and Curley said both men were doing the best they could about a report of "inappropriate conduct" by a man with a stellar reputation.

"As Governor Tom Corbett stated, 'If we were going to do this case, we had to have the best possible case to go against somebody like Mr. Sandusky who was ... loved by everybody. Carried out of the football stadium on the shoulders of his football team. How can anybody say there must be something wrong with him?'" the lawyers' statement read, citing Corbett's remarks in a June 25 article by The Patriot News.

"For Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno, the responsible and 'humane' thing to do was, like Governor Corbett (said), to carefully and responsibly assess the best way to handle vague, but troubling allegations. Faced with tough situations, good people try to do their best to make the right decisions."

A spokesman for Paterno's family, who has not seen any e-mails, told CNN Paterno didn't communicate by e-mail and defended the coach.

"Everyone should want the truth ... and Joe always told the truth," Dan McGinn told CNN. "He did the right thing. He told his boss about McQueary."
One thing is clear. There's no evidence Penn State did anything to find the boy involved in the 2001 incident.

The night Sandusky was led away in handcuffs, Penn State issued a statement calling for healing. So did the family of Joe Paterno.
Healing might take time. Everyone is waiting for the results of Freeh's investigation, anticipated by this fall. It's unclear when state investigators will finish their work. The Justice Department is also conducting a probe, as is the U.S. Department of Education and the NCAA.

And Penn State is already reaching out to attorneys representing Sandusky's victims.

Their lawsuits have yet to be filed.

Kline, Victim 5's attorney, said he wants to see the results of Penn State's investigation.

"Everything we saw in this trial could have been stopped by Penn State," Kline told CNN.

"This is an American tragedy of monumental proportions."

 

[Drako]

Disgusting.

Yep, Spanier, Schultz, and Curley need to be locked up for covering this shit up for 10 plus years. Pretty sickening stuff.

 

[HendrixFan]

With that PSU's endowment should go up in smoke to the victims.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

With that PSU's endowment should go up in smoke to the victims.

PSU is one of the few schools in the nation where the athletic department is considered a legal entity distinct from the school itself, IIRC. The athletic department's gonna get pinched, though. Perhaps the involvement of non-athletic department officials will make the school itself liable as well. Regardless, I'm glad I'm not one of Penn State's insurers, because they're gonna lose tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in the civil suits.

 

[Drako]

"After Friday night’s explosive CNN report of an e-mail exchange between university president Graham Spanier, vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley, Paterno no longer looks like any of those things. If this is true, Paterno is forever a phony at best; the embodiment of Penn State’s evil at worst."

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/01/070112-sports-wolken-column-joepa-1-2/

 

[waggy]

"After Friday night’s explosive CNN report of an e-mail exchange between university president Graham Spanier, vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley, Paterno no longer looks like any of those things. If this is true, Paterno is forever a phony at best; the embodiment of Penn State’s evil at worst."

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/01/070112-sports-wolken-column-joepa-1-2/

i was just goint ot post something about htis

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/pennsylvania-penn-state-paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

One of the newly revealed alleged e-mails appears to show Paterno had another, previously undisclosed conversation with Curley about the shower incident.
On February 26, Penn State's vice president told Curley, the athletic director, to contact Sandusky, alert child welfare authorities and inform Second Mile, the charity Sandusky founded for disadvantaged children, a purported e-mail says.
After Curley spoke with Paterno, however, the athletic director allegedly told the school president that he had changed his mind about the best course to pursue.
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday -- I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps," he purportedly wrote the following day


disgusting.

 

[SP33Demon]

Paterno is rotting in hell somewhere. Where are the PSU fanboi's now?

 

[zinfamous]

what kind of dirt did Sandusky have on Paterno to allow him to encourage this coverup?

Or was Paterno simply too old/naive to effectively comprehend the nature of his pal's evil?

It's either one of the two, right?

 

[Jeffg010]

what kind of dirt did Sandusky have on Paterno to allow him to encourage this coverup?

Or was Paterno simply too old/naive to effectively comprehend the nature of his pal's evil?

It's either one of the two, right?

I just think Paterno did not want to give up his god status. If this was to come out then it would knocked Paterno down a notch and maybe even call for him to leave. Paterno never wanted to give it up. Even when he got got hurt standing on the side line people were calling for him to step down but his ego was to big for that. His ego got the best of him in the end. To step down would of meant for Joe to admit he was old.

My grandfather is the same way. He got very sick and almost died but now is a frail old guy. He is 83. He still wants to do everything he did before but gets himself into more trouble then he needs to be. He tries to use the steps and and can't and has fell. He will now try and just do stuff with out anyone looking because he does not want anyone doing it for him.

I had an great uncle and great grandmother that were the same way. That generation is a real pain in the ass to tell you the truth. No matter what you do to help them they just don't want you to. They have to much pride over brains.

 

[Gibsons]

I just think Paterno did not want to give up his god status. If this was to come out then it would knocked Paterno down a notch and maybe even call for him to leave. Paterno never wanted to give it up. Even when he got got hurt standing on the side line people were calling for him to step down but his ego was to big for that. His ego got the best of him in the end. To step down would of meant for Joe to admit he was old.

Add to that, Sandusky was a pretty good DC and Joe Pa wanted to pile up more W's to add to his legend. Well, they're both legends now, that's for sure.

 

[preslove]

Paterno is rotting in hell somewhere.

Paterno was a pious Catholic. Maybe he'll be stuck down there with a few priests...

 

[edro]

This is an IT forum.

How do they find emails from 2001? I highly doubt it was printed out, so that means it was backed up somewhere for 11 years?!
Most companies have policies in place to delete anything older than 2 years.

This email seems suspicious, like it is almost too perfect.

Crazy that he mentioned Joe and said he is now uncomfortable turning him in.

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday -- I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."

That is the most perfect evidence of a cover-up ever obtained.

 

[preslove]

This is an IT forum.

How do they find emails from 2001? I highly doubt it was printed out, so that means it was backed up somewhere for 11 years?!
Most companies have policies in place to delete anything older than 2 years.

This email seems suspicious, like it is almost too perfect.

Crazy that he mentioned Joe and said he is now uncomfortable turning him in.


That is the most perfect evidence of a cover-up ever obtained.

Penn St is not "most companies." It's the most important public university in a big state with 4 billion dollar annual budget. I highly doubt it has the same back up policies as "most companies."

 

[NeoV]

so let me see if I get this right...

Coach at Ohio St lies about players getting cash/tattoo's/favors from local merchants - he loses his job and the football team, among other things, isn't eligible for a bowl for the 2012 season.

Joe Pa covers up for a sexual predator of young boys....loses his job - and that's it?

This is the single worst thing that's ever taken place in regards to a football program in the history of the NCAA - where are they during all of this?

 

[Miramonti]

so let me see if I get this right...

Coach at Ohio St lies about players getting cash/tattoo's/favors from local merchants - he loses his job and the football team, among other things, isn't eligible for a bowl for the 2012 season.

Joe Pa covers up for a sexual predator of young boys....loses his job - and that's it?

This is the single worst thing that's ever taken place in regards to a football program in the history of the NCAA - where are they during all of this?

I think it's fair to say that in time, the [sledge]hammer will fall from the ncaa. There are still so many investigations going on right now, including by the ncaa. And that hammer better fall hard too.

 

[preslove]

I think it's fair to say that in time, the [sledge]hammer will fall from the ncaa. There are still so many investigations going on right now, including by the ncaa. And that hammer better fall hard too.

Yup. The NCAA will lose all credibility if they don't at least take away two full seasons. The AD and university president covering up for a serial child molester is the worst scandal in college sports history. Programs have have been banned for 2 years before. This is worse than whatever went on to get those other programs banned.

 

[edro]

Joe Pa covers up for a sexual predator of young boys....loses his job - and that's it?

...and his life.
It's pretty obvious he died of a broken heart.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

This is an IT forum.

How do they find emails from 2001? I highly doubt it was printed out, so that means it was backed up somewhere for 11 years?!

I have access to emails I sent my freshman year in 1999 (and I'm not at Ann Arbor anymore - the account was preserved when I joined the Alumni Association) and my dad has access to emails he sent in 1996 through Michigan State.

This is the single worst thing that's ever taken place in regards to a football program in the history of the NCAA - where are they during all of this?

They probably don't even know where to start with this shitshow. What are the options?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

...and his life.
It's pretty obvious he died of a broken heart.

Covering up a child predator? I'd say he got off easy.

 

[actuarial]

Yup. The NCAA will lose all credibility if they don't at least take away two full seasons. The AD and university president covering up for a serial child molester is the worst scandal in college sports history. Programs have have been banned for 2 years before. This is worse than whatever went on to get those other programs banned.

I think only one football program has ever received the death penalty (SMU) and it devastated the program so badly that they've talked about never using it again. There was a great 30 for 30 on it.

I'm not sure it's appropriate here (or ever). Everyone that had a hand in this should be fired, tried (if applicable) and sued, but the players themselves and the students didn't have anything to do with it. Either way the admin are going to get their asses handed to them over this, so cancelling a season only hurts those who weren't involved.