Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Fingolfin269]

From another forum:



Hahaha!

Man I saw that joke a couple of days ago and thought... too soon. I guess a few days later is all it takes!

 

[bignateyk]

There is another story out, can't even find where I read it tonight...another Penn grad came forward with his story where in 2002 he complained to Spanier that a current prof (not associated with football program) had molested him as a child. And in his words Spanier acted like it was an extortion attempt and wanted nothing to do with the allegations. The university wound up doing nothing.

The grad later sued the prof and another person involved, won a settlement (or settled), and the prof basically admitted what he had done.

Why would he complain to Spanier? If someone did that to me I would react like it was an extortion attempt too. If he really wanted justice he would go straight to the police and do it the right way. I'd tell him to fuck off too.

 

[Miramonti]

From the indictment, it still seems to me that the most culpable non-Sandusky (the rapist) individuals in this issue proceed thusly: Curly (Ad) > Spanier (pres) > JoePa > McQueary.

simply too many questions about McQueary's involvement--what he saw and how he reacted, his situation at the time (e.g: the power structure of Penn State Football/Admin), his actual response and the vague interpretations of that response from the admins.

Of course, then you have to consider the JoePa = "Mayor of State College" factor, (remember how this quaint little colloquialism was once the mainstay of the Saturday morning analyst's bid for humor and FBS intimacy?) and you remind yourself that not one of these guys was ever capable of acting without JoePa's endorsement.

I mean, I want to feel sorry for the old codger, legend and status that he cultivated, but all I see now is a barren wasteland of greed, hypocrisy, child rape. Tell me this isn't so. Seriously--tell me this didn't happen.



I think 99% of us have gone through the "Say it ain't so, Joe!" phase over the last week; though there are maybe 10% of those remaining--all of them residents and alumni from State College--that remain firmly in that wretched phase of denial.

Sadly, It is so. It is.

Sounds like rchiu bait if you ask me.

Paterno was certainly the most important person on campus. He didn't control everything, but he ruled everything. A slight overstatement but his influence over things that he concerned himself with was undeniable and probably unmatched.

 

[Miramonti]

Why would he complain to Spanier? If someone did that to me I would react like it was an extortion attempt too. If he really wanted justice he would go straight to the police and do it the right way. I'd tell him to fuck off too.

"complained" was my word, paraphrasing from memory. Here is the article to form an opinion from:

Arizona man says Penn State officials ignored his report of abuse by a former professor

...snip...McLaughlin said it wasn’t the first time that former Penn State President Graham Spanier ignored a report of possible child sex abuse.

McLaughlin said he also brought forward concerns about abuse — unrelated to Sandusky, but instead about a special-education professor, who McLaughlin accused of abusing him when he was a boy in New Jersey.

In a civil lawsuit that McLaughlin later filed — and then settled — in the state of New Jersey, he details allegations of abuse by John T. Neisworth and a California man, Carl Geoke.

McLaughlin went to the dean of education, David Monk, and to then-president Spanier in early 2002. Both men, he said, brushed him off.

Documents obtained by The Patriot-News support McLaughlin’s story.

“I have a tape where [Neisworth] admits the things he’d done,” McLaughlin said. “[Spanier] treated it like an extortion attempt. I told him my concern was solely to get him away from children.”

Finally, he found his voice through articles in The Daily Collegian and Centre Daily Times, and by publicity in The Philadelphia Inquirer and other newspapers when he filed the lawsuit.

On Tuesday, McLaughlin was in Harrisburg rallying for a change in Pennsylvania laws that would allow adults who were victims of child sex abuse to have a wider window to file civil and criminal charges. Right now, the statute of limitations prevents anyone who was older than 23 in 2002 from seeking legal recourse.

 

[preslove]

PSU football contributes approx $12 million of their $70 mill profit to the University, which has a $4 billion dollar budget. Any argument towards their contribution for academics is quite dubious.

And yes, much of that profit (the $70 mill part) is for the athletic department, which as a rarity amongst major US Universities, holds a "self-sustaining" status in regards to PSU as a whole.

for the academic/research arm of the University, football means nothing. For all other sports, it means everything. Which is a shame, then, that the football program decided to engage in covering this rape scandal, with the collusion of the administration, knowing full well how important they were to PSU athletics.

For the Univerity, it would basically be a fart in the wind at the end of the day--but for the Identity of State College, and plenty of small businesses that depend on PSU football, it would be a disaster. Again--quite a shame that the top, top officials in football and the admins decided to bury repeated acts of child rape and let it continue knowing exactly what that meant.

I don't want to see things burn or be destroyed, but let's just say I'll be shedding crocodile tears if it happens.

I do believe it's the only legit course for the University to take if it wants to maintain it's identity as a world-class research institution.

PSU football is dirty as fuck now.

Very well put.

I'm not saying that the branch campuses are all going to rush to go independent now, but if Penn St. keeps mishandling this scandal, the branch campus administrations and the state legislators that represent their districts are going to start moving in that direction.

This scandal is going to keep going for years, and the wound to State's reputation will continue to fester. In 4 years, after the 30th lawsuit, I can imagine many State branches seeing it in their best interest to become independent colleges with no ties to that piece of shit institution.

 

[DCal430]

Why would he complain to Spanier? If someone did that to me I would react like it was an extortion attempt too. If he really wanted justice he would go straight to the police and do it the right way. I'd tell him to fuck off too.

The head of Penn State is also the head of the Penn State Police Department, so by telling Spanier he also told the person in charge of the police. It wouldn't be much different than if he went to a police chief in a city and told them.

 

[bignateyk]

Very well put.

I'm not saying that the branch campuses are all going to rush to go independent now, but if Penn St. keeps mishandling this scandal, the branch campus administrations and the state legislators that represent their districts are going to start moving in that direction.

This scandal is going to keep going for years, and the wound to State's reputation will continue to fester. In 4 years, after the 30th lawsuit, I can imagine many State branches seeing it in their best interest to become independent colleges with no ties to that piece of shit institution.

You're delusional. Those branch campuses are nothing without being tied to Penn State. What makes you think they even have a choice in the matter?

The institution isn't a piece of shit. A few people near the top are. That so called "piece of shit insitution" is made up of 50,000+ employees, 100,000+ students, 500,000+ alumni, and countless others. Not sure why you think nearly a million good people should be punished for the actions of a few people.

You're clearly rooting for the institution to fail. It's not going to happen. Enrollment isn't going to suffer, and everything else will be a temporary hit. In 6 months the media and the American public will have forgotten about it and moved on to something else leaving you and a few other pitch fork wielding zealots behind.

 

[DrunkenSano]

The institution isn't a piece of shit. The people who support Paterno and defend the actions of the pieces of shit are also pieces of shit. Like those dumbass students who rioted because they cared more about Paterno being fired than children being raped, they were complete pieces of shit. There is a good number of them too. The ones who aren't pieces of shit? They should immediately start a huge protest to get all the top officials removed, Pedo State needs to start with a clean slate with all new leadership while handing over all documents relating to this. CNN last night showed that Penn State lobbied to get a special law just for them so they don't have to hand over any sort of documents to anyone, which is complete bullshit. Sounds like the perfect playground for pedophiles and child rapists like Sandusky, giving them a shield of secrecy to hide behind.

 

[preslove]

You're delusional. Those branch campuses are nothing without being tied to Penn State. What makes you think they even have a choice in the matter?

Branch campuses of other universities become independent all the time. It's not all that uncommon.

The institution isn't a piece of shit. A few people near the top are. That so called "piece of shit insitution" is made up of 50,000+ employees, 100,000+ students, 500,000+ alumni, and countless others. Not sure why you think nearly a million good people should be punished for the actions of a few people.

I'd be much more inclined to believe if you if thousands of Penn St. students hadn't rioted after JoPa's firing.

 

[waggy]

You're delusional. Those branch campuses are nothing without being tied to Penn State. What makes you think they even have a choice in the matter?

The institution isn't a piece of shit. A few people near the top are. That so called "piece of shit insitution" is made up of 50,000+ employees, 100,000+ students, 500,000+ alumni, and countless others. Not sure why you think nearly a million good people should be punished for the actions of a few people.

You're clearly rooting for the institution to fail. It's not going to happen. Enrollment isn't going to suffer, and everything else will be a temporary hit. In 6 months the media and the American public will have forgotten about it and moved on to something else leaving you and a few other pitch fork wielding zealots behind.

this.

I'm not sure that some understand what would happen if they shut down the football program. it wouldn't be only the school and coach's that are hit hard. it would spiral down to hundreds of others.

YES penn state needs to get hit. Fire anyone that knew about it and didn't do anything. hell even getting fined by the feds is something.

but to punish teh students (not just football. as others pointed out this would effect women sports) but those that work the games, other schools that gain money off the games etc. Also in most huge schools like this the football program funds other sports such as wrestling that don't make money.

in short i don't see NCAA forcing pedo state to cancel any seasons. AT most (though they shouldn't) they will fine Penn a shitload of money.

I am not by any stretch of the imagination a fan of Penn state. I just don't see hurting so many others over this.

 

[Miramonti]

Few things can affect the perception of an institution than a winning D1 football program. Penn will do everything it possibly can to keep the program and keep it on a winning track. Winning can resurrect nearly anything (even when at the expense of correcting things first.)

 

[Aikouka]

in short i don't see NCAA forcing pedo state to cancel any seasons. AT most (though they shouldn't) they will fine Penn a shitload of money.

I don't really follow sports much (even those that I have interest in, which football is not one of them), but I don't get why the NCAA should fine Penn State. NCAA is a collegiate sport organization, right? What business do they have dealing with the conduct of a team coordinator in relation to a non-sporting related incident?

Unless there's some "damaging reputation clause" that I don't know about, it doesn't seem to make sense.

 

[Gibson486]

so....I pretty much ignored this case. Then I got curious because the media surrounding it on sports radio was huge. I did some research this morning to look deeper.....

Where did he find this lawyer? WTF?

 

[DrunkenSano]

Because the entire football staff was in on the take and covering it all up. People who think Paterno doesn't know about what was happening are morons, it was clear cut, they even asked Sandusky to resign at his prime which logically makes no sense unless it was a deal struck. The coaches are involved with the NCAA organization, so in a way, they also represent the NCAA. Pedo State needs to fire its entire football administrative staff that was around when this tragedy happened, and also remove all the administration in the college itself. Stories are already popping up about how a student was molested by a teacher and it was covered up.

 

[Miramonti]

Report: Jerry Sandusky's charity official raised money for district judge who set his bail

Judge may face investigation

 

[sactoking]

Apparently JoePa transferred ownership of his house to his wife for $1 a few months before the story broke. His atty says it was for estate planning purposes but other estate attys say such a move would have no real estate effect, that civil liability makes much more sense.

So, did Paterno see the writing on the wall back in July?

 

[bignateyk]

Apparently JoePa transferred ownership of his house to his wife for $1 a few months before the story broke. His atty says it was for estate planning purposes but other estate attys say such a move would have no real estate effect, that civil liability makes much more sense.

So, did Paterno see the writing on the wall back in July?

The investigation has been going on for 2 years. I'm sure the trustees, Spanier, Joepa, etc..., weren't blind sided by the report.

 

[preslove]

Few things can affect the perception of an institution than a winning D1 football program. Penn will do everything it possibly can to keep the program and keep it on a winning track. Winning can resurrect nearly anything (even when at the expense of correcting things first.)

Pedo State has underperformed for >10 years. If they try to field a team next year they'll be lucky to get 3 wins. They have have to hire a coach with no permanent AD, the specter of a massive investigation, and the likelihood of NCAA sanctions? Good luck in getting a top tier coach. Good luck in getting a recruiting class up to their recent standards.

Do you think several years of losing seasons are going to help happy valley?

And anybody who thinks that the NCAA has no business in this is a total freaking idiot. The NCAA has a fucking code of conduct, people. Coaches and Admin staff are subject to it. I'm pretty sure that an assistant coach raping little boys on campus and other coaches covering up for it are all breaches of that code.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Joe Pa is guilty as hell for the cover up, with all the other Pedo State administrators. Dirty scum over there in that school.

 

[shocksyde]

The hits just keep on coming. This is has good from ridiculous to ludicrous to some word that hasn't even been invented yet.

 

[mattpegher]

I dont see the point in any sports organization (NCAA etc) fining the school. There is just no reason to believe that this would be within their jurisdiction or that it would do anything but give the NCAA money that it doesnt deserve. I do see some civil suits in the future for Penn State, which is appropriate. The officials involved should be financially responsible as well as the university. Firing is just not good enough. Every last one of them should have gone to the cops or child and youth services the second they heard anything. Just from reading the timeline it seems like about 6 people and about 8 times someone should have been reporting this to the police. The only reason not to do so is to cover it up. No other excuses are valid.

 

[Miramonti]

Pedo State has underperformed for >10 years. If they try to field a team next year they'll be lucky to get 3 wins. They have have to hire a coach with no permanent AD, the specter of a massive investigation, and the likelihood of NCAA sanctions? Good luck in getting a top tier coach. Good luck in getting a recruiting class up to their recent standards.

Do you think several years of losing seasons are going to help happy valley?

And anybody who thinks that the NCAA has no business in this is a total freaking idiot. The NCAA has a fucking code of conduct, people. Coaches and Admin staff are subject to it. I'm pretty sure that a current assistant coach raping little boys and other coaches covering up for it are all breaches of that code.

Killing the program for a year is guaranteeing a couple more years of losing seasons. All recruiting dies, no one is in the pipeline etc. They just need a top-dollar coach who's willing to come in ($$) and deal with the heat, and leave their mark as the face of the program. They will become an underdog and probably be easy for fans to rally behind when they do well. Lots of 'crash and burn' stories/athletes have been 'redeemed' by winning, and while it may look bleak now, I wouldn't think this would be any different.

There are still plenty of young kids who still revere PSU and the opportunity to play for them, and dropping the program off the radar would be at a huge cost. Personally I'm not concerned with what they do, but D1 football programs are almost bigger than the school because of the potential financial and branding impact. (which of course is one reason why paterno is on the hook for how the university handled this, and should be, his influence is undeniable.)

 

[cronos]

Penn State BOT appointed one of their members, David Joyner, as acting AD.
http://espn.go.com/ncaa/conversatio...ns-name-david-joyner-acting-athletic-director

So if you're wondering who this guy is, apparently he is a "Penn State Distinguished Alumnus" and used to play football for Joe Paterno.

Umm... good job BOT?

 

[Miramonti]

Penn State BOT appointed one of their members, David Joyner, as acting AD.
http://espn.go.com/ncaa/conversatio...ns-name-david-joyner-acting-athletic-director

So if you're wondering who this guy is, apparently he is a "Penn State Distinguished Alumnus" and used to play football for Joe Paterno.

Umm... good job BOT?

They definitely need to clean house but will take time. It's a difficult if not impossible job to find a top candidate from the outside right now who's willing to take the position in such volatile and precarious circumstances...probably just as difficult to find a Penn State guy for the position who isn't tied to Paterno, having coached there the last 46 years.

 

[bignateyk]

Penn State BOT appointed one of their members, David Joyner, as acting AD.
http://espn.go.com/ncaa/conversatio...ns-name-david-joyner-acting-athletic-director

So if you're wondering who this guy is, apparently he is a "Penn State Distinguished Alumnus" and used to play football for Joe Paterno.

Umm... good job BOT?

Where else do you think an ACTING AD would come from? They use the word ACTING for a reason. They aren't going to do an outside search to hire an ACTING role.