Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[MagickMan]

JoePa's actions have shown that he has no character. If he did he would have went to the police.

This. `Nuff said.

 

[sactoking]

i doubt it. he will claim innocence until the day he dies. why? i don't think he really thinks he did anything wrong.

This.

I think most of the clinical papers on this type of mental problem show that pedophiles don't "know" that what they're doing in wrong but can't help themselves; pedophiles don't believe what they do is wrong.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Are you kidding me? The branch campuses would be crazy to want to break away. The only reason most of them exist is because of PSU to begin with.

too much overreaction going on to a situation that most certainly already warrants a huge reaction.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

"Am I sexually attracted to undersage boys? [pause] Sexually attracted? No, you know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

Ouch, that's a swing and a miss.

My roommate and I were flipping between channels after Monday Night Football and we caught that question: "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?" When the first word out of his mouth wasn't "No," my roommate and I just stared at each other and said "Guilty." No reasonable person would ever have to qualify the question "Are you sexually attracted to young boys," before they answered "No."

 

[manly]

He didn't say "No you know" at first. He said am I sexually attracted to young boys, sexually attracted...Then he continues with BS before he said no.

well actually, he asked the question back to Costas and sounded uncomfortable as hell finally answering. Everybody can try to parse guilt out of his tone of voice and "horsing around" defense.

When Brian Williams wrapped up the piece, Costas made a big point implying JoePa pushed Sandusky to early retirement for a reason. A pretty hard-hitting piece by the usually affable Bob Costas.

 

[Tea Bag]

My roommate and I were flipping between channels after Monday Night Football and we caught that question: "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?" When the first word out of his mouth wasn't "No," my roommate and I just stared at each other and said "Guilty." No reasonable person would ever have to qualify the question "Are you sexually attracted to young boys," before they answered "No."

It's almost surreal, Costas threw him a softball question. ARE YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO YOUNG BOYS?

The correct answer: "NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT."

The answer given: that, um, response.

What the fuck was his lawyer thinking? Did he not walk him through what most of the questions would probably be? Like hey, I don't know, let's try this; "They're going to ask you if you're a pedophile. Say NO".

I think Lionel Hutz would be better representation.

 

[zinfamous]

The DA seems more likely to be a suicide. He did scrub his computer hard drive, and throw it the Susquehanna River.

I don't like to bandy about unsubstantiated assumptions, but a few things:

--who's to say that the DA is the one who scrubbed his hard drive and dunked it in the river?

--If he did commit suicide, why assume that the suicide isn't a result of the PSU Football child rape case?

Now, I think it's as likely that some other yahoos took him out, but assuming one doesn't exclude assumption of the other. Anyway, no use in us investigating--though 6 years of investigation into that matter have, so far, turned up nothing.

One person did make the point that international sex slave rings employ some of the most serious criminals anywhere who, as you would expect, spare no effort to protect their business. It's possible that lack of evidence after 6 years could be the result of a serious organization such as that.

...just sayin.

 

[alien42]

--who's to say that the DA is the one who scrubbed his hard drive and dunked it in the river?

"Before he disappeared on April 15, 2005, police say former District Attorney Ray Gricar used his home computer to search the Internet for information on “how to wreck a hard drive,” “how to fry a hard drive,” and “water damage to a notebook computer.”

http://www.centredaily.com/2009/04/15/1228995/foul-play-theory-weakened.html

 

[Atomic Playboy]

One person did make the point that international sex slave rings employ some of the most serious criminals anywhere who, as you would expect, spare no effort to protect their business. It's possible that lack of evidence after 6 years could be the result of a serious organization such as that.

...just sayin.

I have no evidence that you've committed any crime. Therefore, I can only conclude that you are involved in an international sex slave conspiracy.

...just sayin.

 

[Fern]

I actually think it's in Penn St.'s interest to cancel next season, at the very least. If they don't, the total number of early NFL entrances, transfers and decommits will lead to a 2-9 season, at best. Hell, they might lose to one of their easy games and go 1-10. Add to that the quality level of coach that would be willing to accept the job in the current situation, and they will be saddled with a shit coach for several years. All of this under the pall of an ongoing corruption investigation that will morph into multiyear lawsuits? No highschool graduate with ridiculous speed is going to pick Penn St. over Pitt, let alone Wisconsin or a top team from a better conference.

Constantly losing will only make things worse.

Cancel the season, allow current football players to either stay on an academic scholarship (for all the lesser players) or to transfer to another school on Penn St's dime (nfl bound). Then get your god damned university in order. Then, hire a permanent AD. Then, let the AD revive the football team by hiring a top level coach to return the team to former glory. I doubt this can be done in a year. More like 5.

The only money spent on football should be marginal funds needed to keep current facilities from falling apart (don't want rats destroying equipment, or the pipes bursting. After the investigations start to peter out, you're still one of the best football atmosphere in the Country, and nobody had to witness your school be pathetic for several years.

The football program at SMU received the so-called 'death penalty' (cancelling a season) over 20 years ago. Because of how devastating that turned out to be the NCAA hasn't used it since.

Given that experience, I'd be mighty surprised if Penn Sate self-imposed the 'death penalty'.

I think canceling a season or two, having players transfer out with Penn Sate paying etc is far more complicated than many realize. There are a bunch of NCAA rules involved here and they have already said they (NCAA) aren't going to take action, if any, until the criminal proceedings are over. As slow as the NCAA is, most current players will likely have already graduated etc.

Canceling the football program has all kinds of repercussions that hit people/institutions other than Penn State. Football generates a ton of money for universities that it uses to fund other athletic programs, particularly women's sport that generate little-to-no money. You cancel football and other programs may disappear.

Football programs also contribute serious money to the academic side of universities.

Penn State in a conference with other universities (The Big Ten). Collectively, they have a huge TV contract to carry the games. If Penn State drops football the contract will revised down meaning all these other universities get penalized via less TV revenue. There's nothing fair about that.

Other schools have games scheduled with Penn State. If there is no Penn State football we have a problem at those universities.

Penn State is a 'big name'. Any university with a home game scheduled against Penn State will never be able to replace the revenue from ticket sales and concessions. The local businesses (hotels, restaurants, bars, auto rental etc) will also suffer.

The ramifications of dropping football are too numerous to list. Needless to say, I think it's a bad idea and one that won't happen.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Sandusky was recruiting during the spring. Since he's not a coach, that's a clear violation. NCAA, should and will get involved.

This is a big problem. (Or should be, but hey with the NCAA ya never know).

This looks like it opens the door, and I mean wide open, for the NCAA to come in and kick azz when the criminal part is over.

Fern

 

[Miramonti]

FYI: McQueary is reported to be interviewed on CBS evening news tonight.

Since Sandusky's lawyer is suggesting he's a liar, McQueary's apparently going to take the gloves off...

McQueary on alleged rape: 'I did stop it,' did have discussions with police

 

[zinfamous]

The football program at SMU received the so-called 'death penalty' (cancelling a season) over 20 years ago. Because of how devastating that turned out to be the NCAA hasn't used it since.

Given that experience, I'd be mighty surprised if Penn Sate self-imposed the 'death penalty'.

I think canceling a season or two, having players transfer out with Penn Sate paying etc is far more complicated than many realize. There are a bunch of NCAA rules involved here and they have already said they (NCAA) aren't going to take action, if any, until the criminal proceedings are over. As slow as the NCAA is, most current players will likely have already graduated etc.

Canceling the football program has all kinds of repercussions that hit people/institutions other than Penn State. Football generates a ton of money for universities that it uses to fund other athletic programs, particularly women's sport that generate little-to-no money. You cancel football and other programs may disappear.

Football programs also contribute serious money to the academic side of universities.

Penn State in a conference with other universities (The Big Ten). Collectively, they have a huge TV contract to carry the games. If Penn State drops football the contract will revised down meaning all these other universities get penalized via less TV revenue. There's nothing fair about that.

Other schools have games scheduled with Penn State. If there is no Penn State football we have a problem at those universities.

Penn State is a 'big name'. Any university with a home game scheduled against Penn State will never be able to replace the revenue from ticket sales and concessions. The local businesses (hotels, restaurants, bars, auto rental etc) will also suffer.

The ramifications of dropping football are too numerous to list. Needless to say, I think it's a bad idea and one that won't happen.

Fern

PSU football contributes approx $12 million of their $70 mill profit to the University, which has a $4 billion dollar budget. Any argument towards their contribution for academics is quite dubious.

And yes, much of that profit (the $70 mill part) is for the athletic department, which as a rarity amongst major US Universities, holds a "self-sustaining" status in regards to PSU as a whole.

for the academic/research arm of the University, football means nothing. For all other sports, it means everything. Which is a shame, then, that the football program decided to engage in covering this rape scandal, with the collusion of the administration, knowing full well how important they were to PSU athletics.

For the Univerity, it would basically be a fart in the wind at the end of the day--but for the Identity of State College, and plenty of small businesses that depend on PSU football, it would be a disaster. Again--quite a shame that the top, top officials in football and the admins decided to bury repeated acts of child rape and let it continue knowing exactly what that meant.

I don't want to see things burn or be destroyed, but let's just say I'll be shedding crocodile tears if it happens.

I do believe it's the only legit course for the University to take if it wants to maintain it's identity as a world-class research institution.

PSU football is dirty as fuck now.

 

[Phokus]

Hey guys... you know how the story keeps getting worse and worse?

Penn State University was one of the donors to the youth charity at the center of the child sex-abuse charges against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.


Penn State donated between $1000 and $1999 to The Second Mile in 2009, and its Altoona campus donated between $2000 and $4999 that same year.


The donations came even after high-ranking university officials were told that Sandusky had been seen sexually assaulting a boy on campus.

Really Penn State? That's unbelievable.

http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/penn-state-donated-sandusky-charity/nFdjn/

 

[zinfamous]

"Before he disappeared on April 15, 2005, police say former District Attorney Ray Gricar used his home computer to search the Internet for information on “how to wreck a hard drive,” “how to fry a hard drive,” and “water damage to a notebook computer.”

http://www.centredaily.com/2009/04/15/1228995/foul-play-theory-weakened.html

...and who's to say that the highly-trained murderers didn't use his home computer, after they murdered him, to learn how to destroy his hard drive?

:hmm:

I have no evidence that you've committed any crime. Therefore, I can only conclude that you are involved in an international sex slave conspiracy.

...just sayin.

:hmm:

:sneaky:

 

[Anonemous]

Sandusky Logic (ripped from fark)

Luke: Is Vader my father?

Obi Wan: Is Vader your father?

Luke: Yes.

Obi Wan: Vader your father, I mean, there are peices of him that were once Anakin Skywalker, and I enjoy that he is more machine now than man, but no, Vader is not your father.

=========================================================


Congress: Did you violate the Geneva convention?

Att. Gen. Gonzales: Did I violate the Geneva convention?

Congress: Yes.

Att. Gen. Gonzales: Violate the Geneva convention, I mean, waterboarding is a very effective interrogation technique, and I enjoy writing legal briefs that justify effective techniques, but no, I didn't violate the Geneva convention.

 

[Phokus]

From another forum:

an older woman who pursues younger men are cougars. Older men who pursue young boys are now called nittany lions!

Hahaha!

 

[Ns1]

From another forum:



Hahaha!

lol

 

[alien42]

From another forum:



Hahaha!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32539483&postcount=113

 

[alien42]

FYI: McQueary is reported to be interviewed on CBS evening news tonight.

Since Sandusky's lawyer is suggesting he's a liar, McQueary's apparently going to take the gloves off...

McQueary on alleged rape: 'I did stop it,' did have discussions with police

he wouldn't say anything and i would imagine his lawyer is smart enough to keep it that way, unlike Sandusky's.

if that e-mail is legit, the PSU police are more involved in the cover up than previously known.

 

[zinfamous]

he wouldn't say anything and i would imagine his lawyer is smart enough to keep it that way, unlike Sandusky's.

if that e-mail is legit, the PSU police are more involved in the cover up than previously known.

I'm thinking that Sandusky's lawyer is not a big fan of Sandusky.

 

[Miramonti]

he wouldn't say anything and i would imagine his lawyer is smart enough to keep it that way, unlike Sandusky's.

if that e-mail is legit, the PSU police are more involved in the cover up than previously known.

Yeah, uneventful, which I can respect. Like I mentioned before, I'm holding out for more facts before I come to a conclusion about mcqueary. He did report things right away, gave an account to numerous officials, talked to campus police(?), but obviously something/someone convinced him to leave the issue in others' hands.

There is another story out, can't even find where I read it tonight...another Penn grad came forward with his story where in 2002 he complained to Spanier that a current prof (not associated with football program) had molested him as a child. And in his words Spanier acted like it was an extortion attempt and wanted nothing to do with the allegations. The university wound up doing nothing.

The grad later sued the prof and another person involved, won a settlement (or settled), and the prof basically admitted what he had done.

 

[darkswordsman17]

What have I all missed?

Few things I've gleaned since last week:
Sandusky denies, then says creepy shit.
McQueary releases e-mail that indicates he did quite a bit.
Paterno's name off Big 10 trophy.
Penn State "fans" stoop to new lows.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, uneventful, which I can respect. Like I mentioned before, I'm holding out for more facts before I come to a conclusion about mcqueary. He did report things right away, gave an account to numerous officials, talked to campus police(?), but obviously something/someone convinced him to leave the issue in others' hands.

There is another story out, can't even find where I read it tonight...another Penn grad came forward with his story where in 2002 he complained to Spanier that a current prof (not associated with football program) had molested him as a child. And in his words Spanier acted like it was an extortion attempt and wanted nothing to do with the allegations. The university wound up doing nothing.

The grad later sued the prof and another person involved, won a settlement (or settled), and the prof basically admitted what he had done.

From the indictment, it still seems to me that the most culpable non-Sandusky (the rapist) individuals in this issue proceed thusly: Curly (Ad) > Spanier (pres) > JoePa > McQueary.

simply too many questions about McQueary's involvement--what he saw and how he reacted, his situation at the time (e.g: the power structure of Penn State Football/Admin), his actual response and the vague interpretations of that response from the admins.

Of course, then you have to consider the JoePa = "Mayor of State College" factor, (remember how this quaint little colloquialism was once the mainstay of the Saturday morning analyst's bid for humor and FBS intimacy?) and you remind yourself that not one of these guys was ever capable of acting without JoePa's endorsement.

I mean, I want to feel sorry for the old codger, legend and status that he cultivated, but all I see now is a barren wasteland of greed, hypocrisy, child rape. Tell me this isn't so. Seriously--tell me this didn't happen.



I think 99% of us have gone through the "Say it ain't so, Joe!" phase over the last week; though there are maybe 10% of those remaining--all of them residents and alumni from State College--that remain firmly in that wretched phase of denial.

Sadly, It is so. It is.

 

[zinfamous]

What have I all missed?

Few things I've gleaned since last week:
Sandusky denies, then says creepy shit.
McQueary releases e-mail that indicates he did quite a bit.
Paterno's name off Big 10 trophy.
Penn State "fans" stoop to new lows.

It's as if they want to prove to everyone that they don't deserve a football program.

classy, all of them.