Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[surfsatwerk]

Sure is a lot of QQ from you lupi.

I don't think you can read.

 

[lupi]

Children were raped. Lives were destroyed. High-level administrators stood back and enabled the crimes. A once-revered coach betrayed his followers.

But the legacy of the Penn State scandal will no longer be Jerry Sandusky's heinous crimes or the courageous victims who stood up to him. Thanks to a brazen power play and a carefully orchestrated p.r. extravaganza, this human tragedy will take a backseat over the next four years (or longer) to a more trivial narrative: Whether Penn State football can recover from crippling NCAA sanctions.

To anyone who has ever contended that the Penn State story was about more than football, take a look at where we've arrived. In the 11 days since the Freeh Report condemned four university leaders for failing to protect the welfare of victimized children, the following corrective measures have occurred: the student section at Nittany Lions homes games was renamed; a statue was removed from Beaver Stadium; and now, the football program will be stripped of its parts, with players forced to find a new school if they ever want to sniff the postseason.

"No price the NCAA can levy will repair the grievous damage inflicted by Jerry Sandusky on his victims," newfound NCAA disciplinary czar Mark Emmert said Monday. "However, we can make clear that the culture, actions and inactions that allowed them to be victimized will not be tolerated in collegiate athletics."

And so, for the sins of Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Gary Schultz and Tim Curley, the NCAA dropped the hammer on Bill O'Brien, Matt McGloin, Silas Redd and 20 players who won't be able to receive scholarships from Penn State over the next four years (the NCAA stripped the school of 10 scholarships in each of the next four seasons). It assured that the Nittany Lions won't be a contender in the Big Ten for half of a decade -- if not longer -- and that their idol-worshipping fans will no longer cheer for a winner.

Justice has been served, assuming your idea of justice for rape victims is to deprive a school of its next four Outback Bowl invitations.

Emmert made plenty of meaningful and inarguable points in announcing these sanctions Monday. To wit, no one could dispute his message that: "If you find yourself in a place where the athletic culture is taking precedence over academic culture then a variety of bad things can occur."

But while Penn State may be the most extreme and horrific scandal we've seen in terms of its human tragedy and consequences, let's not be naïve. Athletics regularly trump academics at campuses across the country, and NCAA rules are regularly violated because of them. Never before has the NCAA's image-conscious president felt the need to personally intervene. But of course, none of those other scandals made NBC Nightly News for a week.

And so, Emmert made sure his organization responded accordingly -- even if that meant revoking the traditional due process afforded every other school that's ever been punished by the NCAA; invoking a nebulous, generalized bylaw about promoting integrity that could easily apply to hundreds of lawbreaking players, coaches and staffers across the country every year; and creating a precedent for dictatorial-like intervention that must now be considered every time a scandal of any proportion arises in college athletics.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...state-ncaa-sanctions/index.html#ixzz21adkioFV

 

[lupi]

Mark Emmert had enough. He could no longer stomach the disgusting, sickening idea of Penn State winning football games.

The NCAA president put an end to that repulsive notion Monday. Emmert simply will not stand for Penn State winning football games on his watch. No sir. There is a new sheriff in town, and he makes it really, really hard to score touchdowns.

Emmert came down hard on Penn State, and that is the easy thing to do these days, for obvious reasons. The crimes of Jerry Sandusky were nauseating, and the cover-up of those crimes by Penn State's administration was a complete disgrace. It was all so horrific that any response seems reasonable.

But Emmert is not fighting against the hypocrisy of college sports. He is acknowledging it, legitimizing it, and -- in a way -- even embracing it.

Emmert can say that he is standing up against child abuse. He is not. The child abuse already happened. The people responsible are either in jail, going to jail or deceased. Emmert decided that Penn State put too much emphasis on its football team, and as a punishment, Penn State is not allowed to win football games for a while.

Emmert banned the school from bowl games for four years. He also took 20 scholarships per year (out of 85) away from the program, which means that 65 Penn State players will likely get their butts kicked on Saturdays as punishment for crimes that they didn't commit.

I don't care if Penn State wins games or not. But what kind of enterprise is this when an appropriate punishment for enabling a child rapist is to lose football games? Who is putting too much emphasis on winning now, Mr. Emmert?

Of course, Emmert also fined Penn State $60 million, which is the equivalent of one year of gross football revenues, so that money can go to a better cause, which...

Whoa, whoa. Hang on there, pal.

I thought that money was going to a good cause. Remember? That's why schools can't afford to pay players. These aren't businesses. Schools need that money for important educational reasons. Uh-huh.

The fine will go "into an endowment for programs preventing child sexual abuse and/or assisting the victims of child sexual abuse." I love this idea, and in fact I've pushed it several times in columns since the Sandusky allegations broke last November.

But this is where Emmert loses me: "The proceeds of this fine may not be used to fund programs at the University."

Think about this, people. An athletic governing body is taking millions of dollars away from an institution of higher learning, because the athletic governing body does not trust the university to educate people about sexual abuse.

Wow. For years, critics have screamed that elite universities contradict their own core values and academic standards so they can win games. NCAA administrators have disputed that. Now Emmert is actually taking that criticism a step further. He says Penn State University is so inept at being a university that the NCAA, which manages athletic contests, cannot even trust Penn State to run an educational program.

Again, I have no interest in defending Penn State. Even Penn State folks can't defend Penn State -- the reasonable ones among them are the most disgusted, because this feels like finding out something awful about their family.

The principals at Penn State seemed to think that they could do whatever they pleased, with no checks or balances. That was the problem. The school needs to fix its culture. If it can't fix its own culture, it should cease being a school. I don't see why an athletic governing body is making this decision.

And the irony of Emmert's penalties is that for the last dozen years, there was a single ongoing complaint about Penn State football: The school didn't care enough about winning.

If Penn State was so obsessed with winning, the school would have fired Joe Paterno 10 years ago. Penn State was not nearly as obsessed with winning as most schools are. You can level a lot of harsh criticisms at Penn State, and I have leveled my share. But an obsession with winning is not one of them.

If Penn State was obsessed with anything, it was the idea that the school was above reproach. Too many people in the community thought Joe Paterno was a deity who happened to coach football. School president Graham Spanier and his minions ignored what was morally right and wrong. They ignored the law. They didn't even worry about self-preservation. They lived in a cocoon. Their actions were awful and inexcusable. But they did not do it simply to win football games.

Emmert just announced to the world that winning football games is really, really important. Now he gets to look tough and powerful, and Penn State goes away for a while, and it all sounds good, because what happened at Penn State really was abhorrent. But it may be time for a new NCAA logo: a picture of a tail wagging a dog.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...anctions-mark-emmert/index.html#ixzz21aeQjw1r

 

[lupi]

I don't think you can read.

ain't that the truth.

 

[K1052]

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- I have to admit, I expected NCAA president Mark Emmert to march out in military uniform, epaulets gleaming, and pronounce that he should be addressed as Generalissimo.


That press release Sunday, in which the NCAA announced that it would hand down punitive and corrective penalties to Penn State on Monday without its Committee on Infractions ever calling a meeting to order, sounded like the worst form of administrative justice. As anyone who has ever followed an infractions case knows, the NCAA may not use due process, but there is a process that evolves in due time. It can make the tortoise look like the hare -- ask USC. But the NCAA president is not a commissioner. He doesn't wield the imperial power of a Roger Goodell.

The announcement Sunday indicated that the NCAA would ignore its own rules -- not just the procedures but the entirety of the rulebook. Generalissimo Emmert had created his own shopping mall of justice -- a Banana Republic and a Gap. There was all the enforcement that came before Penn State, and there was Penn State.

You can read the hundreds of pages of the NCAA manual from now until the Nittany Lions run onto the field to play Ohio on Sept. 1, and you won't find a single rule that Penn State violated in this case. If that doesn't mean anything, why have a rulebook?

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ps-handing-penn-state-nittany-lions-sanctions

The Executive Committee and the Division I Board of Directors authorized the sanctions. I don't see how that can be construed as Emmert acting alone, regardless of arguments about the process and merit of the decision.

Since the NCAA is a voluntary organization if a sufficient amount of the membership decides there has been wrongdoing that has harmed the organization they can interpret their bylaws as they wish.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Let's say that at MIT, there was a similar coverup in the engineering department by some bigshot professor molesting kids. Janitors don't want to risk reporting him because he's such a big name and it's all swept under the rug for many years. It's a big scandal when this comes to light. The accrediting organization for engineering then decides to force the school to dramatically limit the number of engineering students it can accept and/or removes engineering accreditation from degrees given out during that time frame. Would that make any sense to you?

/facepalm

You obviously don't understand what occurred with the PSU football program.

 

[Capt Caveman]

The Executive Committee and the Division I Board of Directors authorized the sanctions. I don't see how that can be construed as Emmert acting alone, regardless of arguments about the process and merit of the decision.

Since the NCAA is a voluntary organization if a sufficient amount of the membership decides there has been wrongdoing that has harmed the organization they can interpret their bylaws as they wish.

You can't educate the ignorant. It's folks like Lupi and the articles that he's linking is why the PSU football program should have been eliminated permanently.

Like you said, the NCAA is a voluntary organization and when you join, you agree to abide to it's charter. When you allow children to be molested in your football facility for years b/c football is more important than children's lives, there is a problem with the culture and that culture needs to be eliminated.

 

[IAteYourMother]

You can't educate the ignorant. It's folks like Lupi and the articles that he's linking is why the PSU football program should have been eliminated permanently.

Like you said, the NCAA is a voluntary organization and when you join, you agree to abide to it's charter. When you allow children to be molested in your football facility for years b/c football is more important than children's lives, there is a problem with the culture and that culture needs to be eliminated.

You think taking away scholarships, revoking wins, and postseason bowl bans are going to change the culture any more than the legal implications of what's happened here? The fact that Curley, Schultz, Paterno if he were alive, and others will be facing criminal charges? The innumerable civil lawsuits that are about to absolutely fuck Penn State for its criminal negligence? Those are the things that will change a culture.

Taking away scholarships and simply making it an inferior product on the field just doesn't even register on the same scale, and furthermore, punishes people who were peripheral to the actual perpetrators.

Of course, public opinion is with the NCAA, because of how sick and disgusting Sandusky's crimes were and the people who covered for him. Everyone is in this mindset of "heads must roll!" But the punishment doesn't seem to accomplish much in the way of ensuring this doesn't happen again. I've heard of people suggesting that the whole school should be shut down, which again is absolutely stupid.

 

[lupi]

You can't educate the ignorant. It's folks like Lupi and the articles that he's linking is why the PSU football program should have been eliminated permanently.

Like you said, the NCAA is a voluntary organization and when you join, you agree to abide to it's charter. When you allow children to be molested in your football facility for years b/c football is more important than children's lives, there is a problem with the culture and that culture needs to be eliminated.

good thing they didn't violate that charter, or can you not read either.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Can we start telling jokes? Or should we wait 13 years?

 

[sactoking]

The NCAA is not a law enforcement organization, thus its members are not granted the right to due process. There's a actually a fairly lengthy analysis on ProFootballTalk.com conducted by an actual attorney as it relates to the Saints bounty case and the lack of "due process" afforded to Jonathan Vilma. Any person who harps on "due process" immediately has their argument voided.

Beyond that, this was not Emmert laying down the law unilaterally a la Roger Goodell; he approached Penn State and the Chairperson of the Board of Trustees and acting Athletic Director voluntarily signed off on the sanctions. They could have reserved their right to appeal and request a more traditional process, but they did not. In effect, the Penn State punishment was either voluntary or at least condoned by the University, depending on your point of view.

Finally, the NCAA has no legal or binding ability to force Penn State to cough up the fine money, forfeit their scholarships, or otherwise comply with the penalty. If Penn State disagreed with the penalty or the process that led to the penalty they are well within their right to say "Membership in the NCAA is voluntary and we don't agree; piss off". Withdraw from the organization and you would not be forced to pay the money or reduce your scholarship offerings. The school might have trouble finding players and opponents for an unsanctioned team, but they are free to try.

This isn't a criminal process, it isn't even a civil process, it's a private membership association levying sanctions against a member. All of your ideas about "boundaries" and "due process" are meaningless.

 

[RPD]

Mmmm PedoState supporter tears are yummy!!

 

[momeNt]

You think taking away scholarships, revoking wins, and postseason bowl bans are going to change the culture any more than the legal implications of what's happened here? The fact that Curley, Schultz, Paterno if he were alive, and others will be facing criminal charges? The innumerable civil lawsuits that are about to absolutely fuck Penn State for its criminal negligence? Those are the things that will change a culture.

Taking away scholarships and simply making it an inferior product on the field just doesn't even register on the same scale, and furthermore, punishes people who were peripheral to the actual perpetrators.

Of course, public opinion is with the NCAA, because of how sick and disgusting Sandusky's crimes were and the people who covered for him. Everyone is in this mindset of "heads must roll!" But the punishment doesn't seem to accomplish much in the way of ensuring this doesn't happen again. I've heard of people suggesting that the whole school should be shut down, which again is absolutely stupid.

You know where you are wrong? The fact that you are calling what the NCAA is doing a punishment. It's actually meant to be the first steps to getting the institution back on track and focused on what matters. Those that call it a punishment still put football first and forget the these universities exist to educate.

 

[surfsatwerk]

You know where you are wrong? The fact that you are calling what the NCAA is doing a punishment. It's actually meant to be the first steps to getting the institution back on track and focused on what matters. Those that call it a punishment still put football first and forget the these universities exist to educate.

Thank god we have the NCAA to teach Penn State what matters. So covering up and allowing the rape of children is worse than letting your players trade autographs for tattoos and better than setting up a system where boosters are paying your players.

Thank you NCAA for teaching Penn State and us all.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The first person that crosses a line that has been crossed before but this time gets slapped will always complain that the others got away with it.

A line needs to be drawn and an example made.

Penn was the straw.
As been seen by comments; it is needed; supporters/ people do not understand that a culture existed that covered multiple years of players. And still will cover those players.

the culture needs to understand not just words, but deeds that it was unacceptable what was overlooked and that protect the program no matter what is wrong.

Athletes are being allowed to transfer without penalty. It is the program that is being punished, not the athletes.

 

[momeNt]

Thank god we have the NCAA to teach Penn State what matters. So covering up and allowing the rape of children is worse than letting your players trade autographs for tattoos and better than setting up a system where boosters are paying your players.

Thank you NCAA for teaching Penn State and us all.

I don't get what you are saying, at all.

 

[DrunkenSano]

It's pretty disgusting to see people still defend Pedo State and pretending that the current College Football culture is fine. It's a sad state in current society where people continue to point fingers else where when the whole system has been corrupt. Punishment dealt to PSU was perfectly in line with what was needed, and a wake up call to everyone that Football > Everything Else is wrong.

 

[waggy]

Can we start telling jokes? Or should we wait 13 years?

you can now..but long as they aren't about 13 yr olds!

 

[actuarial]

It's pretty disgusting to see people still defend Pedo State and pretending that the current College Football culture is fine. It's a sad state in current society where people continue to point fingers else where when the whole system has been corrupt. Punishment dealt to PSU was perfectly in line with what was needed, and a wake up call to everyone that Football > Everything Else is wrong.

Not a single person has defended Pedo State or the current culture. That's just a complete misrepresentation of what people are saying.

The wakeup call will be when Curley, Spanier and the others involved go to jail. This doesn't even register on the same scale.

 

[surfsatwerk]

It's pretty disgusting to see people still defend Pedo State and pretending that the current College Football culture is fine. It's a sad state in current society where people continue to point fingers else where when the whole system has been corrupt. Punishment dealt to PSU was perfectly in line with what was needed, and a wake up call to everyone that Football > Everything Else is wrong.

Saying the NCAA doesn't have the moral authority or power to fix what is wrong at Pedo State is not saying that things are fine.

I think the Governor of Pennsylvania understood this when he took the unprecedented step of personally intervening to get JoePa fired. Cutting scholarships and fines will not fix the problem. And I think it is insulting to the victims to act like it will.

 

[pelov]

It's pretty disgusting to see people still defend Pedo State and pretending that the current College Football culture is fine. It's a sad state in current society where people continue to point fingers else where when the whole system has been corrupt. Punishment dealt to PSU was perfectly in line with what was needed, and a wake up call to everyone that Football > Everything Else is wrong.

It should be a school first and foremost. I think the reason Emmert came down hard -- frankly, I don't think it was hard enough -- is because the school forgot that it was a school. It let its football program take precedent over the integrity of the institution and what it stood for. There's no doubt that Paterno had as much say in Penn State's affairs as did the President of the school; the Freeh report showed that to be true. That's a huge no-no and Emmert put his foot down. Good. The term is student athlete not soon-to-be-professional. These are schools, not NFL training centers.

The issue that Penn State is being singled out is absolutely true, but it's not like it wasn't deserved. The sanctions are harsh in order to deter from that kind of behavior, both kiddie-touching and "football first."

Ultimately it boils down to people, crazies really, being so obsessed with college football. It's not supposed to be an amateur league but right now it's treated as such by nationwide viewers/fans and the media. The schools can make a lot of money off people through tickets/merchandise and TV and yet the "students" don't make diddly squat because they're "students." It defies logic to think that these schools are making off like bandits while their athletes are used as gladiators. When a school makes enough money for 100k seat stadiums and prides itself on its football -- which is beyond fucking retarded, btw -- you're going to have these sorts of cover ups and incidents where the health of the football program is of the utmost importance.

The US needs an amateur football league. These football programs in schools are treated as professional teams and their players are consequently looked upon as superstars. It's wrong.

 

[edro]

"education first", lol

They are practically required to go to college to enter the NBA or NFL and the athletic programs help fund the schools.

At some schools, athletics are MORE important than education. (just not on paper)
There's nothing wrong with that. It's just the world we live in today.
Who's to say being well educated is more valuable than being an elite athlete?
Not everyone CAN be well educated. They were given physical gifts, not intellectual ones.

You can argue that certain degrees are actually a drain on society.

 

[SP33Demon]

[snip]

And so, Emmert made sure his organization responded accordingly -- even if that meant revoking the traditional due process afforded every other school that's ever been punished by the NCAA; invoking a nebulous, generalized bylaw about promoting integrity that could easily apply to hundreds of lawbreaking players, coaches and staffers across the country every year; and creating a precedent for dictatorial-like intervention that must now be considered every time a scandal of any proportion arises in college athletics.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...state-ncaa-sanctions/index.html#ixzz21adkioFV

"Traditional due process" for what? Covering up kiddie rape? There is no specific bylaw covering that so the NCAA can act with whatever means of force that is necessary. Recruiting violations, cheating on tests, practicing too long, there are bylaws and penalties covering that. This coverup is unprecedented and the furthest away from "traditional" violations as one can get. You and the SI tard apologist mental midgets have no clue what you're talking about. Here's a "dick-tatorial-like" tissue so you can sleep better at night knowing that we care about your need for "traditional due process". And I say that in the nicest way possible.

 

[darkewaffle]

I think I kind of agree that it's not actually about football. To me, this could have happened to a powerful CEO, a respected professor, a high ranking politician, a TV personality, a famous musician. The fact of the matter is people can gain celebrity through just about anything, and like it or not people treat celebrities differently and often give them undue respect and power. I think Paterno's power was a result of his celebrity, football was just the vehicle he obtained celebrity through.

"College football fanaticism" is a red herring imo, and I think the emphasis put on it is just going to result in further punish innocents and kind of cloud what I feel like the underlying cause is.

I mean, if Stephen Hawking was able to protect a pedophile rapist at some school he's associated with, does that mean we care too much about Science? Personally, no. I think what it points to is people getting sucked into a cult of celebrity and giving that person privilege and lenience because of it.

 

[pelov]

At some schools, athletics are MORE important than education.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's just the world we live in today.
Who's to say being well educated is more valuable than being an elite athlete?
Not everyone CAN be well educated. They are given physical gifts, not intellectual ones.

You can argue that certain degrees are actually a drain on society.

That's under the assumption that college was established for sports or education for a degree and neither of those are true.

- A degree isn't and shouldn't be the end goal of education but rather a pat on the back and a passing of some Gatorade on a long endurance run. If you stopped your "education" when you got your diploma I sure as shit feel sorry for you.

- Schools and colleges think sports are important but only insofar that they help develop the individual. Thus sports AND education are important. Fat people don't live long and stupid people are difficult to speak with.