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Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

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preslove said:
The Big 10 has 12 members. It used to be called the little 11 because it had 11 teams, but then they added Nebraska.

I guess it's too confusing to use the actual number of teams.
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Yeah I know, but people may get the B10 confused w/ Big 12 when you say Pedo 12. The funny thing is that the B12 now has... 10 teams. lol
 
AstroManLuca said:
You could argue that if they found out 15 years ago, JoePa would have been fired then, and he wouldn't have won any games since then.

You could also say that if JoePa had immediately outed Sandusky instead of protecting him, he wouldn't have been punished in the first place; rather, he'd be a minor hero. PSU would have been hurt but they would have recovered rather quickly.

This is basically the NCAA saying that a coach who helps cover up child rape is not to be considered a legitimate head coach, and therefore his wins should not be recognized. And I'm okay with that.
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pretty much.

I think it sends a message to other coach's. That covering up something just for the sake of a win is not worth it. they will just take those wins away.
 
I would have rather seen the PS board or trustees all forced out and replaced and all their salaries, pensions, and any other future benefits stripped.

This is just punishing former and future students mostly.

It's also a bit rushed imo and only serves to make the NCAA look tough. I think they look stupid.
 
Fairness of the penalties aside. If nothing else, for some time to come, on any level of sports in America, if someone tells the head coach they saw a kid and an adult in the showers and it made them uncomfortable, it will be reported immediately.

Not a silver lining but at least a positive.
 
lupi said:
Keywords and tricky phrases are nice, unless you actually look at the books.

You should listen to gottlieb on radio right now, he's killing them.
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There's nothing tricky about it. Their AD was clearly not in control of the program. It was the other way around. Specifically what that rule is for.

And Gottlieb is a moron. Has he stolen anything else lately?
 
preslove said:
Only fucking idiots think that the NCAA overstepped their authority. They didn't overstep anything. I skimmed through the Division I rulebook (and have posted it several times in this thread) when Sandusky first was on the front page. There is (as I assumed there would be) an early ethics section that was clearly broken. Usually, when a member of a membership organization egregiously breaks the early ethics section of the governing rules, the normal response is simply to expel the member. Unless there are specific bylaws spelling out what to do in that specific situation, whatever board or committee governs the organization can do whatever it wants. Penn State agreed to these decisions because they knew that the NCAA had the leverage with its perfectly legal powers to expel an unethical member institution.

Unless there are specific rules outlining how to deal with covering up and enabling child rape, the NCAA Executive Committee had authority to do anything they wanted. If Penn State can't abide by their decisions, they are perfectly within their rights to refuse to comply and exit the NCAA.
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Then I guess the next time there is a cheating scandal in the chemistry department we should see bowl games taken away.
 
lupi said:
Then I guess the next time there is a cheating scandal in the chemistry department we should see bowl games taken away.
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Cheating scandals get punished all the time. A bunch of students cheating on an exam is pretty far removed, ethically, from the head coach convincing the AD and President of the god damn university to cover up and therefore enable child rape.

My first sentence still stands, idiot.
 
cronos said:
I completely understand the grief+denial thing, the blunder was making all of these statements public. They should have just keep it to themselves.
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waggy said:
yep. i understand why they are saying it. i don't understand telling the world that though.
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agreed--but none of us have "a legend" like Paterno in our family. Most of these people have only ever known him as "a legend," as he was already there before they were born.

Yeah, they would be better off remaining silent and not make fools of themselves, but they honestly believe that all fo the good things he did (which were numerous), are now perceived as illegitimate (justly so, imo) in light of his monstrous actions related to Sandusky (which they will never believe the truth of, anyway).

They feel they are the only people anywhere that can protect whatever legacy that they believe he has still earned....and they are.
 
lupi said:
Then I guess the next time there is a cheating scandal in the chemistry department we should see bowl games taken away.
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If this cheating was encouraged by or aided by an athletics department employee, you probably will. Otherwise, your argument makes no sense.
 
AstroManLuca said:
You could argue that if they found out 15 years ago, JoePa would have been fired then, and he wouldn't have won any games since then.

You could also say that if JoePa had immediately outed Sandusky instead of protecting him, he wouldn't have been punished in the first place; rather, he'd be a minor hero. PSU would have been hurt but they would have recovered rather quickly.

This is basically the NCAA saying that a coach who helps cover up child rape is not to be considered a legitimate head coach, and therefore his wins should not be recognized. And I'm okay with that.
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this and a million times this. It's so clear and obvious, I just can't understand how people don't get it. Paterno feared a stain on the legacy, on his program so much that he was incapable of realizing that the right actions, at the right time, would have done far more good for himself and for PSU than the actions he chose.

Further, he was very likely living under the same delusions biased by friendship and professional career that helped him to deny what was happening under his nose. (but you know, despite that--Sandusky still ended up in the can, without anyone outside of the program--and in the little sports coaching microcosm--understanding why (remember: no one would touch him after PSU....why?))
 
lupi said:
Then I guess the next time there is a cheating scandal in the chemistry department we should see bowl games taken away.
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If a coach, athletic director, college president and vice president conspire to hide the illegal actions of a former position coach, that has direct ties to athletics. If a professor, academic dean, college presiden and vice president conspire to hide the illegal actions of a former professor... how exactly does that lead back to athletics? Your comparison is meaningless, unless the chemistry department hosts its own bowl games which I'm not familiar with.
 
Gigantopithecus said:
I don't want the football programs of my almae matres to be associated with PSU football because it is rotten. PSU football was built by a man who thought image was more important than turning in a child rapist, and I think that is monstrous. It really is as simple as that.
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You should tell your alma mater how you feel. I'm sure they'll agree with your entirely reasonable position.
 
mugs said:
You should tell your alma mater how you feel. I'm sure they'll agree with your entirely reasonable position.
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What is unreasonable about not wanting your schools' football programs having anything at all to do with a football program that was built by a child rape enabler?
 
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