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Pelosi vs house republicans

halik

halik

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Think about it as game theory - Nancy has a large gain by blaming republicans when they vote yay and small loss when she blames republicans and they vote nay. Republicans have negative gain from voting yay when she bitches and positive gain when she doesn't say anything.


The Nash equilibrium is always blame republicans, vote nay. It's a prisoner's dillemma problem, so unless they meet beforehand and say you need to STFU for us to vote yay, the bail out will fail.

Also i think you are all foolish if you think people won't ultimately do what is in their best interest. Pelosi will rather score the poltical gain over saving the economy and republicans will rather save their seat than save the economy.
 
Pelosi is an idiot and a fool... I hope she loses her leadership over this. Not the time to blast the other side... it was a time to LEAD DAMMIT!

On the other side... Her negative ranting did not change the bill's content. Shouldnt the reps have voted for the bil based on its content vs. the rantings of an ass? regardless of what anyone said in a last minute speach, the bill remained the same.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Also i think you are all foolish if you think people won't ultimately do what is in their best interest. Pelosi will rather score the poltical gain over saving the economy and republicans will rather save their seat than save the economy.
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Yeah, but in the long term its the majority Democrats and possibly President Obama who are going to deal with the economy.
 
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Pelosi is an idiot and a fool... I hope she loses her leadership over this. Not the time to blast the other side... it was a time to LEAD DAMMIT!

On the other side... Her negative ranting did not change the bill's content. Shouldnt the reps have voted for the bil based on its content vs. the rantings of an ass? regardless of what anyone said in a last minute speach, the bill remained the same.
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This is the point that gets me. Getting butthurt over comments by Pelosi and voting no when the bill itself is no different is downright cowardly IMHO -- or maybe they never had enough votes to begin with and saw Pelosi' comments as an easy "out"
 
Both sides were acting childish. However I dont believe that many people changed from a yay to nay due to the speech alone. Theres bigger issues here IMO then the handful of people who changed due to a speech. More to the point why the hell even give a speech like that at a time like this, and why do 40% of the Democrats not favor this bill?
 
Blast the other side? She just told the truth. It was the other side that felt blasted. They are doing all they can to deny reality and not pay for the mess they've caused.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Blast the other side? She just told the truth. It was the other side that felt blasted. They are doing all they can to deny reality and not pay for the mess they've caused.
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I'm glad that my post went right over the top o your head....
She went for the political gain and republicans countered with what's in their best interest.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Blast the other side? She just told the truth. It was the other side that felt blasted. They are doing all they can to deny reality and not pay for the mess they've caused.
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Its expected that anything the Democrats say you will blindly accept as "fact". This is yet another example.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Both sides were acting childish. However I dont believe that many people changed from a yay to nay due to the speech alone. Theres bigger issues here IMO then the handful of people who changed due to a speech. More to the point why the hell even give a speech like that at a time like this, and why do 40% of the Democrats not favor this bill?
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If you don't think many changed their position on Pelosi's speech why are you frothing at the mouth over it?

Why do you continue to point out ~40% of the (D)'s not voting for it while ignoring the ~66% of (R)'s who did the same?
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Blast the other side? She just told the truth. It was the other side that felt blasted. They are doing all they can to deny reality and not pay for the mess they've caused.
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She told a bald face lie for political gain. Both parties have had a hand in this...that's the truth if you have the belly for it.
 
In any case, the Republican free market people did cause the problem by insisting that government regulations cause problems and then insisting that they be relaxed.

Unregulated banking is about as safe as unregulated, 2 way, super highways that contain no lane markings in either direction and no speed limits.

The current economic crisis was a direct result of the laws passed by a Republican congress the did away with the banking restrictions that had been put in place just after the great depression proved the vulnerability of the U.S. economy to unregulated investment and commercial banking. This was done at a time that the investment banks were creating new ways to fund mortgages that maximized lender profit while removing the responsibility of the lender to ensure that the borrower could repay the loan. Instead of deregulation, these new ways of banking needed strong new regulations.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Blast the other side? She just told the truth. It was the other side that felt blasted. They are doing all they can to deny reality and not pay for the mess they've caused.
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She told the truth at the wrong time, like somebody who's about to blow their brains out for being ugly. You don't agree with them that they're ugly, you save that for another day.

She is a scapegoat here of course. She is a complete and utter clown with terrible timing and no professionalism, but she is not to blame for this.

 
Originally posted by: Robor


Why do you continue to point out ~40% of the (D)'s not voting for it while ignoring the ~66% of (R)'s who did the same?
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the republicans are generally much more vulnerable in this election. we expect them to do stupid things to keep their phoney-baloney jobs. we don't expect the democrats to do the same.
 
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Both sides were acting childish. However I dont believe that many people changed from a yay to nay due to the speech alone. Theres bigger issues here IMO then the handful of people who changed due to a speech. More to the point why the hell even give a speech like that at a time like this, and why do 40% of the Democrats not favor this bill?
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If you don't think many changed their position on Pelosi's speech why are you frothing at the mouth over it?

Why do you continue to point out ~40% of the (D)'s not voting for it while ignoring the ~66% of (R)'s who did the same?
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Good point. I forgot the Republicans were the party in power right now. Damn them, damn them all to heck! LOL

I certainly am not frothing at the mouth, I assure you that. I'm appalled people can even try to blame the few Republicans who switched over a speech and completely ignore the fact the speech was given or the fact that 40% of their own party didnt want to support the bill.

If your going to accuse the switched R's then you have to account for a very, very poor leader and the 40% of the party in power no? Or are we selectively blaming people depending on how we feel?
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Both sides were acting childish. However I dont believe that many people changed from a yay to nay due to the speech alone. Theres bigger issues here IMO then the handful of people who changed due to a speech. More to the point why the hell even give a speech like that at a time like this, and why do 40% of the Democrats not favor this bill?
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If you don't think many changed their position on Pelosi's speech why are you frothing at the mouth over it?

Why do you continue to point out ~40% of the (D)'s not voting for it while ignoring the ~66% of (R)'s who did the same?
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Good point. I forgot the Republicans were the party in power right now. Damn them, damn them all to heck! LOL

I certainly am not frothing at the mouth, I assure you that. I'm appalled people can even try to blame the few Republicans who switched over a speech and completely ignore the fact the speech was given or the fact that 40% of their own party didnt want to support the bill.

If your going to accuse the switched R's then you have to account for a very, very poor leader and the 40% of the party in power no? Or are we selectively blaming people depending on how we feel?
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I can't speak for Robor, but I will say that I'm equally disappointed in both Republicans and Democrats for the failure of this bill. I think it's insane that the Republicans are blaming the Democrats when even fewer of them supported it, and pointing out the 40% Democratic opposition vs. 66% Republican opposition figure is just a way of turning the tables on any argument intended to vilify Democrats for the failure of the bill.

Long story short: If Republicans want the bill to get through, get their people to vote on it. Don't blame the Democrats.
 
The house republirats need an excuse, Pelosi is always high up on their excuse list, and since Hillary is in the Senate, the blame Pelosi excuse works as well as any.

And in just 35 more days, those same republirats can endlessly relive this glory moment at the booted out politicians retirement home.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Think about it as game theory - Nancy has a large gain by blaming republicans when they vote yay and small loss when she blames republicans and they vote nay. Republicans have negative gain from voting yay when she bitches and positive gain when she doesn't say anything.


The Nash equilibrium is always blame republicans, vote nay. It's a prisoner's dillemma problem, so unless they meet beforehand and say you need to STFU for us to vote yay, the bail out will fail.

Also i think you are all foolish if you think people won't ultimately do what is in their best interest. Pelosi will rather score the poltical gain over saving the economy and republicans will rather save their seat than save the economy.
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Shift the blame No. 1
 
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Pelosi is an idiot and a fool... I hope she loses her leadership over this. Not the time to blast the other side... it was a time to LEAD DAMMIT!

On the other side... Her negative ranting did not change the bill's content. Shouldnt the reps have voted for the bil based on its content vs. the rantings of an ass? regardless of what anyone said in a last minute speach, the bill remained the same.
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Shift the blame No. 2
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Both sides were acting childish. However I dont believe that many people changed from a yay to nay due to the speech alone. Theres bigger issues here IMO then the handful of people who changed due to a speech. More to the point why the hell even give a speech like that at a time like this, and why do 40% of the Democrats not favor this bill?
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SWhift the blame No. 3
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Blast the other side? She just told the truth. It was the other side that felt blasted. They are doing all they can to deny reality and not pay for the mess they've caused.
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Put these words in the right order: head, the nail, on the, hitting. YAY Moony!


Wishy washy Democrats in a 50/50 split, should'a been (gotta leave room for one jackle)99% NO!😀



edit; Oh excuse me, 60/40 split makes the Dems very wishy washy. Don't bail out what you deregulate!
 
Pelosi has only two problems. She's right, and the Republicans are screaming about her remarks to make political points in the middle of the shit storm.

Of course, there's always the problem that the bill, itself was a sellout POS. As written, all the alleged "protection" of "mainstreet" is optional smoke and mirrors with no enforcement or oversight teeth.

The pooch is already screwed. The damage is done. People are going to be hurt. The only questions are who, where and how much.

The conspiracy between Wall Street money, the administration, members of Congress of both parties brought us to this point.

Let it all fall. It's the only way to deflate the hot air and get back to an economy based on the real value of our goods and services.
 
What a dumbass to make such a stupid speech. Isnt the point of this to bail out the economy? I heard John Kerry made a remark in an interview lastnight they didnt want to bailout Bush? WTF? This wasnt about Bush, this was about keeping the economy going and avg joe employed.

Fucking dipshits in congress cant do anything right.
 
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