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Pelosi supports Murtha for House Majority Leader.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20061113/pl_bloomberg/ad1krqgdquq

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said she supports Representative John Murtha for the post of majority leader, bypassing the current No. 2, Steny Hoyer.

"For all you have done for Democrats in the past and especially this last year, I am pleased to support your candidacy for majority leader for the 110th Congress,'' Pelosi wrote in a letter to Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat, released yesterday.

Murtha, 73, last year called for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, a move that Pelosi in her letter said ``changed the national debate'' and made Iraq a central issue in the Nov. 7 midterm elections. He is close to Pelosi, 66, a California Democrat who is in line to become speaker when her party takes control of the House in January.

Pelosi's move poses potential risks for Pelosi if Democrats fail to align with her, said Tom Mann, a congressional scholar at the Brookings Institution, a public policy research organization in Washington.

``The betting has been that Hoyer is way ahead and that Pelosi would stay out of it,'' Mann said.

House Democrats plan to elect their leaders for the new Congress on Nov. 16.



I love this decision. Murtha has been at the forefront in keeping America safe. First as a decorated war hero and then as member of Congress.
I hope he wins the race.
 
Last I checked, America is allegedly a meritocracy.

On the merit of giving the Democrats a backbone on leaving Iraq . . . Murtha wins in a romp.


IIRC, didn't Newt skip over some Ol' Guard when he led the charge in '94?
 
John Murtha, I love that man! :beer:

He is the real deal, imho, and would be an absolutely GREAT standard bearer for the Democratic Party!

This news gladdens my heart! :heart:
 
I think this Washington Post article sheds a little more light on the subject. Pelosi supports Murtha. He was her campaign manager when she ran for the positions of minority whip and then the next year the position of minority leader. She was running against Hoyer for minority leader and beat him. They haven't been double dating since.
 
This is a big gamble by Pelosi...
I want Murtha to win, but I have a feeling Hoyer will win.

Eventhough Hoyer is an "ok" representative from my state, I'd take Murtha's views over his anyday of the week.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
We really need some term limits in congress.
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I never quite "got" that. Sure, it would seem that spending too much time in Washington can warp your views, and sure, the idea of "citizen legislatures" was popular in the Revolutionary War days...but I honestly think we're past the point where we'd do well with having a new crop of random Joes off the street every few years. Every other serious profession requires years of study and experience to be good, but for some reason we hold on to this romantic notion that any random jackass can lead the country and write our laws. Now I'm not saying that Washington doesn't have problems due to people getting disconnected from the real world, but I think there are other ways to address the problems than rejecting people who know what they're doing in favor of inexperienced outsiders every few years.
 
Oh I don't know, isn't there a better choice for Majority Leader?

Murtha, a longtime senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, has battled accusations over the years that he has traded federal spending for campaign contributions, that he has abused his post as ranking party member on the Appropriations defense subcommittee, and that he has stood in the way of ethics investigations. Those charges come on top of Murtha's involvement 26 years ago in the FBI's Abscam bribery sting. Source.
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Someone squeaky-clean would be great. I'm not convinced Murtha fits that description.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: piasabird
We really need some term limits in congress.
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I never quite "got" that. Sure, it would seem that spending too much time in Washington can warp your views, and sure, the idea of "citizen legislatures" was popular in the Revolutionary War days...but I honestly think we're past the point where we'd do well with having a new crop of random Joes off the street every few years. Every other serious profession requires years of study and experience to be good, but for some reason we hold on to this romantic notion that any random jackass can lead the country and write our laws. Now I'm not saying that Washington doesn't have problems due to people getting disconnected from the real world, but I think there are other ways to address the problems than rejecting people who know what they're doing in favor of inexperienced outsiders every few years.
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I think the point is in favor of 'reasonable' term limits. Say 2-3 terms for Senate and 6-9 terms for House. The truth is that real power in Congress is wielded by chairs and you get a chair by seniority. So only a 2-term Senator or 4-term Representative could hold one. But if it turned out the guy/gal sux . . . they are gone in a matter of years or the next election. Politics is NOT law, medicine, education, etc. IMHO, for many of them . . . the longer they stay the more likely it is they go bad.

I think the other point is what Republicans stood for back when I was one . . . we need LESS government. That doesn't necessarily mean bad or inexperienced government (see Bush43). The GOP had nearly perfected corrupt AND ineffective government.
 
I see term limits as a way to keep the parties fresh with new ideas. These guys become careeer politicians and instead of leading they start to pander to keep the power that was granted to them.

I'd say 2x senate, 6x house. No more than 12 years in either position.
Lets be honest with ourselves. When elected representation has a retain rate of 98% when the people clearly have said over and over through polling they dont like congress. Many people are voting on name alone instead of issues.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I see term limits as a way to keep the parties fresh with new ideas.

These guys become careeer politicians and instead of leading they start to pander to keep the power that was granted to them.

I'd say 2x senate, 6x house. No more than 12 years in either position.

Lets be honest with ourselves.

When elected representation has a retain rate of 98% when the people clearly have said over and over through polling they dont like congress.

Many people are voting on name alone instead of issues.
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OMFGBBQ we agree on something :shocked:

Mark this date in history.
 
Murtha isn't a good choice. We really need someone less ethically challenged. He isn't far off from Delay, if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Murtha isn't a good choice. We really need someone less ethically challenged. He isn't far off from Delay, if you ask me.
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Thankfully, he's old . . . Mother Nature is all about limiting terms.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh I don't know, isn't there a better choice for Majority Leader?

Murtha, a longtime senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, has battled accusations over the years that he has traded federal spending for campaign contributions, that he has abused his post as ranking party member on the Appropriations defense subcommittee, and that he has stood in the way of ethics investigations. Those charges come on top of Murtha's involvement 26 years ago in the FBI's Abscam bribery sting. Source.
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Someone squeaky-clean would be great. I'm not convinced Murtha fits that description.
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Finally, someone from the left 'gets it'. Simply replacing the GOP's crooked bastards with your own crooked bastards isn't progress, Speaker Pelosi. The Dems haven't even officially assumed power yet, but they've already established that they'll be following in the same 'fine ethical tradition' of the prior party. Today's Washington Post has a nice op-ed about what a poor choice Murtha was and is, and the Wash. Post is no GOP cheerleader. To quote The Who, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh I don't know, isn't there a better choice for Majority Leader?

Murtha, a longtime senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, has battled accusations over the years that he has traded federal spending for campaign contributions, that he has abused his post as ranking party member on the Appropriations defense subcommittee, and that he has stood in the way of ethics investigations. Those charges come on top of Murtha's involvement 26 years ago in the FBI's Abscam bribery sting. Source.
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Someone squeaky-clean would be great. I'm not convinced Murtha fits that description.
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Finally, someone from the left 'gets it'. Simply replacing the GOP's crooked bastards with your own crooked bastards isn't progress, Speaker Pelosi. The Dems haven't even officially assumed power yet, but they've already established that they'll be following in the same 'fine ethical tradition' of the prior party. Today's Washington Post has a nice op-ed about what a poor choice Murtha was and is, and the Wash. Post is no GOP cheerleader. To quote The Who, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." :disgust:
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It reminds me of a bit The Daily Show did. They basically had Republicans say what they're going to offer for ethical reforms. It went back to Jon and he roughly said "not being content, the Democrats made their own list," which included a whole two items. It then goes back to Jon where he says "and that's what we've been caught doing so far."
 
This is progress, we get to see the democratic ethics issues on display. They showed Murtha's undercover interview with an FBI agent in 84 on the Today Show? God that was classic lmao.

 
In September 2006 the left-leaning Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) listed Murtha under Honorable Mention in its 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress (one of only four Democrats listed on the site). The report cited Murtha's steering of defense appropriations to KSA Consulting, which employed his brother Robert, and the PMA Group, founded by Paul Magliocchetti, a former Murtha senior aide

Thanks to Wikipedia for the above.

And Genx87 above touches on the Abscam investigation.

You dems are too funny.
 
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