Steeplerot
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Steeplerot
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That is because theres like 12 of you all in america who vote and only about 3 of them ever get anything done besides rant about how flawed everyones views are who do not buy into your little economic cultist thing.
the thing about nationalised health is - most people love it. Conservatives have been itching to get rid of it (here in Australia) ever since it was introduced. As soon as they start talking about doing so, their poll numbers crash. There is no need for citizens to have weapons of mass destruction/ slaughter - hand-guns, rifles, other weaponry. This is a basic public health and safety issue - it just isn't safe to have a community full of weaponry. Limits on individuals' freedoms for the sake of public safety - for example rules specifying seat belts must be worn - are accepted as a reasonable compromise by reasonable people.
Steeplerot
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That is because theres like 12 of you all and about 3 of them ever get anything done besides rant about how flawed everyones views are.[/quote]
Sorry but, Economics = boring, non-sexy, non-exciting = no market share for your revoloution
Originally posted by: Vic
You don't "level the playing field" by pushing people down.Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Good way to get fuel to the $5 per gallon.
$2 MacDonals hamburger.
$5 can of soda.
All benifits of raising the minim wage
You of all people surprise me on this being so good with numbers.
Do you feel it's right to never level the playing field?
and your hero's have helped them how the last six years???
That is until the govt deems freedom of speech is not good for your health and the cycle is complete.
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What about when the "reasonable people" change their mind again and decide that homosexuality is a basic public health and safety issue? "Reasonable people" once thought that you know. And jailing people for homosexuality was once thought to be a "reasonable compromise" by "reasonable people." Under your own logic, there'd be nothing stopping them from doing so again, provided that the majority thought of it as "reasonable" as they once did in the past. Hey, there's no "need" to have homosexuals around anyway, is there?
BTW, I am intentionally hitting close to home here to make a point. A basic principle of liberalism is that you can't defend your own liberties without defending the liberties of other people. When you say that "reasonable people" make a "reasonable compromise" to unreasonably strip away the freedoms of the people, you expose your own freedoms to be stripped away next.
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Everytime the playing field is attempted to be leveled, it is at the expense of someone.Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Good way to get fuel to the $5 per gallon.
$2 MacDonald's hamburger.
$5 can of soda.
All benefits of raising the minim wage
You of all people surprise me on this being so good with numbers.
Do you feel it's right to never level the playing field?
Increase the fixed costs and the prices of everything has to go up to compensate for it.
The only one that wins is the tax man and the inflation pundits.
When your living costs (not discretionary) go up; you feel as if you are being left behind.
You want a pay increase if you are going to stay on the job. Where does the employer get the cost of funds to satisfy you. From the customers; And so the inflation cycle starts.
The customers have to pay more; therefore they will charge more for their goos and services to compensate.
Now if your employer does not want to pay your and everyone else that wants the salary increase; he has choices.
Let someone walk so he can pay others an increase as requested;
or pay no increases at all - every one keeps their job but is unhappy with the external fixed costs dragging down their value.
Someone walks - extra funds may become available and more productivity is demanded.
The extra money to raise the min wage has to come from some pocket and will be passed along to the customer.
To freeze costs will not work - it has been tried before with failure.
If McDonald's costs go up $1/hr that translates to 6 employees (per shift) * 2 8 hr shifts/day.
In other words and extra $100/day that the place has to shell out.
Either reduce the employees to 5 per shift or pass along the costs as a percentage of sales.
Increases the cost of food by 10-15% (using the example of the labor costs going up 20%).
And what happens if the shift supervisor is not making less than the min wage; They will want an increase to keep them above the min wage workers. And so you have a wage ripple effect through the system where a person below you now is paid closer to you than the work responsibilities
Oh please :roll: , this is an age old argument.
Show me where the sky fell after the minimum wage hikes decades ago.
Steeplerot
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Welcome to the wide wondereful world of having a US Constitution, now I know you righties don't like it much but don't get your tin foil in a tizzy! We have checks and balances back in place. Hurrah!
Steeplerot
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evolutionary theory tells us that is not possible. the evolutionary psychology of homo sapiens is that we are a social species, & our well-being is dependant on participating in the social world. This is how we evolved and there is no escaping it. The only way libertarians can maintain their world-view is by systematically downplaying the contribution of others (society) to their own well-being.
Steeplerot
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it's a utopian fantasy or cult, which appeals to people with an overly strong internal locus of control. I.e., people who have a strong need to believe that they are in control of their destiny. Such people are unreasonably terrified at the notion of government "intrusion" in their lives. Hence any government that might act to limit availability of deadly weapons of mass slaughter must be evil, in the warped mind of the libertarian.
Steeplerot
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You want to bait me into gun-control issue so bad, then all the statist authoritarian dittoheads from the right will flame me to no end with their small pen0r complex about "typical gungrabbers", so you can have some backup for this libertarian tripe, no thanks.
:laugh:
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