Pelosi: Democrat President Could Use Emergency Powers For Gun Control

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You really do not understand why people voted for Trump, do you?

Yup, they're gullible rubes. Some with aggressive racist ideologies and others that tolerate the hate speak just so they can stick it to the libs.
Not a very diverse group dynamic in trump voters.

 

[Jhhnn]

Part of the money Trump wants to use to build the wall to stop the drugs comes from the DoD drug intervention program. You can't make this shit up. You just can't-

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/heres-where-the-money-for-trumps-border-wall-will-come-from.html

 

[Bitek]

So, your entire argument is based on Trump doing it is wrong, but Trump doing it makes it right in the future if a Democrat POTUS would do something similar? So then it isn't wrong.

It is either wrong for a POTUS to do it, or it isn't. If you're fine with a Democrat POTUS doing something similar in the future, than you're just being partisan. And you guys sound like you don't care if a Democrat POTUS would in the future do something similar... so...

Once the seal is broken, then it's open to everybody.

There is a reason everyone, even Rs, are warning Trump not to do this.

The next D president cannot be expected to play by different rules, so will have every excuse to reciprocate.

In fact, given the level of obstruction Obama faced & the stolen a scotus pick, they should assume from the start that the next R minority will be at least as hostile, and EO and NEs and court packing will be the only way to govern and enact policy. It may not be preferable, but it's the realist's option.

Now what you guys should be scared of is that the D president will be competent, unlike the current dotaring sloth. A D Congress and WH will have a lot more to show for it efforts compared to a single lousy tax cut.

 

[Pohemi]

A new far left faction of the democrat party feels it is treason to negotiate with the GOP. In their opinion, it is there way or no way.

Government can not function when parties refuse to work together.

I hope you realize that this statement can be perfectly assigned to the GOP since at least 2010. I know that it's 'both sides' ing it, but it can't be ignored. Boehner and McConnell could both be named Mr. Obstruction.

 

[cytg111]

An accusation is not proof, so I will say it - "it isn't proof."

I know, the counsel haven been caught lying so many times now, total witch hunt. It gets better

https://www.thedailybeast.com/muell...al-stone-directly-interacted-with-guccifer-20

Woooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuups

wikkileaks <-> stone <-> gucci2.0 <-> stone <-> wikileaks <-> stone <-> gucci2.0

Down down down, in a ring of fire.

 

[cytg111]

Trump is trying to deliver on the hope and change that obama talked about.

- Oh man. He is the snake in snake oil man. Sorry you cant see that. Maybe one day you will.
You know Fox is crickets on Manafort right?
You know Fox is crickets on Stone right?
You know Fox is crickets on Putin right?
You know Fox is calling(Hannity++) AOC as a socialist radicalist right now right? (working their way up to terrorist).
You know Fox has its hand in your pocket right now right? Bullet in your brain...

 

[dawp]

- Oh man. He is the snake in snake oil man. Sorry you cant see that. Maybe one day you will.
You know Fox is crickets on Manafort right?
You know Fox is crickets on Stone right?
You know Fox is crickets on Putin right?
You know Fox is calling(Hannity++) AOC as a socialist radicalist right now right? (working their way up to terrorist).
You know Fox has its hand in your pocket right now right? Bullet in your brain...

if he watches Fox he would never know, as their viewers have it jack into their brains, kinda like neuromancer

 

[ch33zw1z]

I hope you realize that this statement can be perfectly assigned to the GOP since at least 2010. I know that it's 'both sides' ing it, but it can't be ignored. Boehner and McConnell could both be named Mr. Obstruction.

whuuh? huuh? party of short term memory loss, and no google skills.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4480e53279f

https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311

cries of obstructionism are transparently insincere at best.

 

[cytg111]

....

Abandoning thread already? Alternate fact machine don broke down?

 

[SlowSpyder]

To all those here bitching about Trump's emergency declaration, most of you seem to be foaming at the mouth over the idea of a Democrat POTUS doing the same in the future, you're looking forward to it. You've just vindicated Trump. It is either right or it is wrong, and you are just angry that Trump is doing it but want a Democrat to do the same. Just more TDS showing around here.

 

[Sunburn74]

Gun control isn’t a good example to illustrate this concern. First, border walls don’t have the protection of a dedicated Constitutional amendment like the 2nd. Second border walls aren’t distributed among 300+ million people across the entire county like guns are. Third and perhaps most importantly, a wall doesn’t shoot back if you try to come and take it away. You don’t routinely see people with T-shirts saying “you’ll have to pry a border wall out of my cold dead fingers” either. Abortion and guns are probably the only two things that if you tried to ban them, which would cause nationwide public revolts that could conceivably topple the government.

If you want to say that NE could be used to unilaterally begin AOC “green new deal” or something that I could see.

I'm pretty sure national emergencies can result in significant restrictions of people's basic rights similar to presidential wartime powers where he can put normal American citizens in concentration camps and etc.

The fact of the matter is if this is allowed to pass you can see a democratic president declaring healthcare a national emergency and taking funds from the military and etc and creating Medicare for all. Or you can see them saying our low election turn out is a national emergency and creating a national mail and online voting system. These are not things that personally I oppose but you can see the danger of the precedent. It basically eliminates the input of the US civilian population because it bypasses Congress. This kind of stuff pretty much is ripping the Constitution in half and is exactly why trump is so dangerous. We literally can expect him in the future to start firing SCOTUS judges and having the military sit in congressional proceedings with arms drawn. Banana republic dictator type stuff.

 

[Pohemi]

To all those here bitching about Trump's emergency declaration, most of you seem to be foaming at the mouth over the idea of a Democrat POTUS doing the same in the future, you're looking forward to it. You've just vindicated Trump. It is either right or it is wrong, and you are just angry that Trump is doing it but want a Democrat to do the same. Just more TDS showing around here.

Please, quote who has stated that they want this to happen without sarcasm in this thread. Can you even tell the difference? I don't think you can. You sit here and spew lies, ignore facts, logic, and reason, and respond facetiously...yet intentionally take every word from others as literal verbatim.

You have got to be a troll...nobody can possibly be this stupid. Then again, look who got elected President.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Please, quote who has stated that they want this to happen without sarcasm in this thread. Can you even tell the difference? I don't think you can. You sit here and spew lies, ignore facts, logic, and reason, and respond facetiously...yet intentionally take every word from others as literal verbatim.

You have got to be a troll...nobody can possibly be this stupid. Then again, look who got elected President.

Moped Rider in particular seemed quite excited to know a Democrat will do this in the future.

 

[ch33zw1z]

To all those here bitching about Trump's emergency declaration, most of you seem to be foaming at the mouth over the idea of a Democrat POTUS doing the same in the future, you're looking forward to it. You've just vindicated Trump. It is either right or it is wrong, and you are just angry that Trump is doing it but want a Democrat to do the same. Just more TDS showing around here.

This is funny cuz Trump torpedos his own declaration of the national emergency by saying it was necessary. So deciding use this when not needed not only sets a precedent going forward, but according to Trump's own words, not required, as in it's not an emergency. Lol....too funny.

Fine slow, he's "vindicated", when Dems are running things I'll expect nothing from you when this comes up.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This is funny cuz Trump torpedos his own declaration of the national emergency by saying it was necessary. So deciding use this when not needed not only sets a precedent going forward, but according to Trump's own words, not required, as in it's not an emergency. Lol....too funny.

Fine slow, he's "vindicated", when Dems are running things I'll expect nothing from you when this comes up.

So Trump dong it is wrong to you, but it won't be wrong in the future when a Democrat does something similar, because Trump did it now. Like I said, it is either the right thing to do within the powers of the POTUS or it is the wrong thing to do because it is outside the powers granted to the POTUS. You can't have it both ways. And so many here are cheerleading about a Democrat doing something in the future. That vindicates Trump.

 

[HomerJS]

To all those here bitching about Trump's emergency declaration, most of you seem to be foaming at the mouth over the idea of a Democrat POTUS doing the same in the future, you're looking forward to it. You've just vindicated Trump. It is either right or it is wrong, and you are just angry that Trump is doing it but want a Democrat to do the same. Just more TDS showing around here.

To blunt your lie NOBODY here said they were looking forward to a future Dem declaring a fake NE because they can't move legislation.

What amazes me your blind ignorance to Trump himself admitting its a fake NE. "I don't have to do it, I just want it faster". However I get it, that's one of the signs of a Russian troll bot. OR perhaps you are so weak minded anything Trump says you believe...

Trump: Mexican jodges can't do their job.
Slow: So true

Trump: African countries are all shitholes
Slow: MAGA

Trump: I want more immigrants from Norway:
Slow: MAWA

Trump: Obama was born in Kenya
Slow: I knew that Negro was a plant

 

[ch33zw1z]

So Trump dong it is wrong to you, but it won't be wrong in the future when a Democrat does something similar, because Trump did it now. Like I said, it is either the right thing to do within the powers of the POTUS or it is the wrong thing to do because it is outside the powers granted to the POTUS. You can't have it both ways. And so many here are cheerleading about a Democrat doing something in the future. That vindicates Trump.

Lol, weeeeeeeeeeee. Read my post, and suck it.

 

[soundforbjt]

Once presidential powers are extended in the wrong way like this, they are never taken away, that is the problem.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Once presidential powers are extended in the wrong way like this, they are never taken away, that is the problem.

Looking forward to Medicare for all, and maybe junk food can be crushed by high taxes like we've done to cigarettes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

To all those here bitching about Trump's emergency declaration, most of you seem to be foaming at the mouth over the idea of a Democrat POTUS doing the same in the future, you're looking forward to it. You've just vindicated Trump. It is either right or it is wrong, and you are just angry that Trump is doing it but want a Democrat to do the same. Just more TDS showing around here.

I find your lack of comprehension disturbing and utterly inane.

For the nth time, the point isn't about seizing guns or shutting you up or only permitting left-handed dog walking on alternate days, but the very things you rail against exist as a legitimate potential because you and others open Pandora's box to all these once imaginary scenarios. You give them a basis in reality. You asked for it by your actions and Pelosi and the remainder of us are telling you that, yet it remains beyond your apparent ability. Whether this is trolling, an emotional problem, a processing defect and biological roadblock, or some combination is unknowable, but it manifests itself daily.

You really should get that checked out. To everyone else, I wonder if this is the true basis for the majority of Trump support to this degree, the utter inability to deal with objective reality as humans can understand it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Looking forward to Medicare for all, and maybe junk food can be crushed by high taxes like we've done to cigarettes.

What about hookers and blow?

 

[fskimospy]

I admire LBJ for his construction projects, and how blunt he was. Dad said he was just a country boy who said what he thought.

Trump is trying to deliver on the hope and change that obama talked about.

In all seriousness, I voted fro Trump because he addressed the issues. He talked about trade, healthcare... etc. I felt that he would shake DC up, and he has done exactly what I had hoped he would.

And look at what he did. All of his actions on health care were attempts to take it away from people. All of them.

He lied to you and you bought it.

 

[fskimospy]

I find your lack of comprehension disturbing and utterly inane.

For the nth time, the point isn't about seizing guns or shutting you up or only permitting left-handed dog walking on alternate days, but the very things you rail against exist as a legitimate potential because you and others open Pandora's box to all these once imaginary scenarios. You give them a basis in reality. You asked for it by your actions and Pelosi and the remainder of us are telling that, yet it remains beyond your apparent ability. Whether this is trolling, an emotional problem, a processing defect and biological roadblock, or some combination is unknowable, but it manifests itself daily.

You really should get that checked out. To everyone else, I wonder if this is the true basis for the majority of Trump support to this degree, the utter inability to deal with objective reality as humans can understand it.

Yes, either that or a juvenile inability to understand that actions have consequences. Trump doesn’t give a shit about the country, he just wants to protect his ego. The rest of us will have to live here long after he’s dead and there’s no putting this cat back in the bag.

If it is legal for the president to transparently lie about a fake emergency to remove Congress’s role of controlling spending then that’s the end of Congress’s control on spending. If conservatives want to do that over piddling funding for a useless wall that’s their business but they will come to regret it.

It will be interesting to see conservatives falling over themselves in a few years to pretend they never supported Trump. I hope the rest of us make them remember.

 

[Jhhnn]

It works like this- "If a future Dem President followed Trump's logic they could declare a national emergency over damned near anything." That doesn't mean they will or that Dems want it to be that way.

 

[Ichinisan]

I don't think people would be OK with constitutional rights being removed by an emergency declaration.