Pelosi: Democrat President Could Use Emergency Powers For Gun Control

[Hayabusa Rider]

The supreme court has given the president great leeway in various situations. Not just the president, but states and governments in general.

Examples:

Slavery
Separate but equal
Forced sterilization
Forcing people to hand over property to the government - FDR and the gold executive order
Rounding up groups and sending them to prison camps.
Denying muslim right it have an imam at execution

It seems the only right the supreme court is interested in upholding is gay rights, which in itself is not a bad thing. Too bad the court does not uphold religious rights like sexual rights.

In short, there is not much from stopping the next democrat president from declaring an emergency on various topics.

In all honesty, the next democrat president could probably declare an emergency, round up all gun owners, ship them to prison camps, and the supreme court would uphold his decision.

I don't recall any one of those situations being declared unnecessary while declaring an emergency. I think too much deference has already been given Presidents and I don't mean beginning with Trump. The qualitative difference is that necessity has been part and parcel of emergency. Trump and his supporters embracing this have given unlimited power to their opponents when it occurs. Cries of "it's not Constitution or right" will be heard while getting precisely what they asked for. Congress is no longer co-equal even in it's mandated function and the courts will be silenced by tyrants.

How nice/s

 

[balloonshark]

Her entire point was to say if we let a president declare an emergency for a non-emergency that sets a precident for other presidents that may not be on your team to follow. That should have been common sense to you since you can't have it both ways. I also look forward to the climate change emergency declaration. Enjoy your beef burgers burgers while you can since you'll be eating a nearly 100% vegan diet soon. Enjoy your veggie burgers bitches.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And don't think it's not by accident that they also chose a Constitutionally protected right. Maybe Trump should look at the 14th Amendment then.

The rights and responsibilities of Congress is as Constitutionally protected as any in the BOR.

Trump has declared himself the arbiter or what "Protected" means and so can every President from today forward if this stands. You have no 2A rights or any others as the President decides what they mean. An emergency which isn't necessary were Trump's words. One can make a better argument that shooters are terrorists and until the US is safe from all of those, foreign and domestic, that the 2A must be addressed for the greater good. Why do you support terrorists?

Congratulations on the astute move Trump has made.

 

[Texashiker]

I don't recall any one of those situations being declared unnecessary while declaring an emergency. I think too much deference has already been given Presidents and I don't mean beginning with Trump. The qualitative difference is that necessity has been part and parcel of emergency. Trump and his supporters embracing this have given unlimited power to their opponents when it occurs. Cries of "it's not Constitution or right" will be heard while getting precisely what they asked for. Congress is no longer co-equal even in it's mandated function and the courts will be silenced by tyrants.

How nice/s

Its all subjective to the viewpoint at the time.

For example, the supreme court upheld forced sterilization programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927),[1] is a decision of the United States Supreme Court, written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., in which the Court ruled that a state statute permitting compulsory sterilization of the unfit, including the intellectually disabled, "for the protection and health of the state" did not violate the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Supreme Court has never expressly overturned Buck v. Bell.

Under previous supreme court rulings, the president could probably round up various groups, send them to prison camps, and have them forcibly sterilized.

The supreme court has rarely upheld individual rights that would protect them from the majority, or the government.

At this point in time illegal immigration is important.

Next decade, it will be something else.

Next decade, it will be something else.

One question is, does someone have a "right" to immigrate illegally to the United States? Then again, its not like the supreme court has a history of upholding rights.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Her entire point was to say if we let a president declare an emergency for a non-emergency that sets a precident for other presidents that may not be on your team to follow. That should have been common sense to you since you can't have it both ways. I also look forward to the climate change emergency declaration. Enjoy your beef burgers burgers while you can since you'll be eating a nearly 100% vegan diet soon. Enjoy your veggie burgers bitches.

The health and wellbeing of the nation depend on proper diet, therefore it is a national security issue that people eat only what is approved and in limited quantities. Subversives cannot be tolerated. It's more important than the Wall in terms of overall impact. Let's get women on stage who have lost a husband because the government hasn't protected them. It would save far more lives than any border wall.

What a brave new world that has such idiots opening the door on most anything.

 

[Texashiker]

What a brave new world that has such idiots opening the door on most anything.

You can thank the supreme court for that.

We can also thank congress for not reigning in presidential powers.

~~ EDIT~~

This is nothing new either.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

One question is, does someone have a "right" to immigrate illegally to the United States? Then again, its not like the supreme court has a history of upholding rights.

The first part is irrelevant to the issue, the declaration of something which is not an emergency as such for expediency. I'll agree to some degree about rights, however it would be unique if the courts allowed the various branches to be ruled at the whim of the Executive, which is precisely what Trump has none. There was no need, merely a desire on the part of Trump and that is a different animal entirely.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You can thank the supreme court for that.

We can also thank congress for not reinging in presidential powers.

TH, it appears you are not a fan of building the wall in this manner.
Keep in mind that is not saying you dislike Trump.

Do you support the President declaring a National Emergency to build the wall?

 

[balloonshark]

The health and wellbeing of the nation depend on proper diet, therefore it is a national security issue that people eat only what is approved and in limited quantities. Subversives cannot be tolerated. It's more important than the Wall in terms of overall impact. Let's get women on stage who have lost a husband because the government hasn't protected them. It would save far more lives than any border wall.

What a brave new world that has such idiots opening the door on most anything.

Yep. We could help fix the environment, soaring health care issues and costs just by changing our diets. Everyone is looking for someone to save them when they could do it themselves with the choices they make. All of this is way more important than an ineffective wall.

 

[zinfamous]

In all honesty, the next democrat president could probably declare an emergency, round up all gun owners, ship them to prison camps, and the supreme court would uphold his decision.

I say we give it a shot. You've already made it clear that you believe that POTUS should have exactly this power, so why not?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You can thank the supreme court for that.

We can also thank congress for not reigning in presidential powers.

~~ EDIT~~

This is nothing new either.

Again not in complete disagreement, but the degree of utter disregard of the Constitutional separation of powers has not been seen in ours or anyone's lifetime in this nation. Past Presidents have gotten away with too much but there's not even a pretense of genuine emergency or need, in fact the reverse.

Hopefully the SCOTUS will step up or at least let a lower court injunction remain forever in place.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump declares an emergency & denies that it's an emergency in the same speech but his devotees lap it up anyway.

It's some kind of mass hypnosis, apparently.

 

[Texashiker]

The first part is irrelevant to the issue, the declaration of something which is not an emergency as such for expediency.

It's all subjective to public opinion at the time.

You feel it is not important, which is your right.

I feel it is important.

In all honesty, the immigration can has been kicked down the road for far too long. I feel something must be done, and should have been done decades ago.

TH, it appears you are not a fan of building the wall in this manner.
Keep in mind that is not saying you dislike Trump.

Do you support the President declaring a National Emergency to build the wall?

I feel this opens a can of worms.

Hopefully, congress will take action to reign in presidential powers. There are supreme court rulings dating back over 100 years that has enabled this type of behavior by president Trump. Not that Trump is right or wrong, but he has the right to declare an emergency. So is he wrong is using powers granted to him by law?

Then again, how does the government grant the president war powers to respond to an emergency? In the event of another Pearl Harbor, should the president have to wait on congress to act?

What happens when people like Nancy refuse to negotiate and congress is firmly divided along party lines? The presidents hands are tied by the house leader. Is that how a republic should work? Then again, the GOP has their fair share of partisan issues.

There is an old saying that goes something like this, "The best way to get a bad law repealed is to strictly enforce it." The quote is supposed to come from Abraham Lincoln.

• I agree with Trump declaring an emergency to build the wall. I hope he goes all out.
• Hopefully this pisses off enough people in congress so they get off their ass and pass a bipartisan law that would reign in the power of the president.

Like Lincoln said, strictly enforce the law, and hopefully congress will take action.

Congress has needed to reign in presidential powers, and fix a lot of wrong supreme court rulings. Hopefully, Trumps actions will force congress to act.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Tell me again about the real brainwashing here...

It has been an emergency for decades. But, in the past no one had a problem with border walls being built... but then agenda became more important than common sense good for America to the left.

 

[HomerJS]

And don't think it's not by accident that they also chose a Constitutionally protected right. Maybe Trump should look at the 14th Amendment then.

I guess that idea came out of your last Klan meeting.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Love listening to all the NPC"s here pretend that Trump taking a drop in the bucket amount of money to improve border barriers on a border we have problems with foreign invaders crossing daily is akin to the next Democrat POTUS waving away our gun rights.

Lying fucking cucks.

 

[Vic]

Her entire point was to say if we let a president declare an emergency for a non-emergency that sets a precident for other presidents that may not be on your team to follow. That should have been common sense to you since you can't have it both ways. I also look forward to the climate change emergency declaration. Enjoy your beef burgers burgers while you can since you'll be eating a nearly 100% vegan diet soon. Enjoy your veggie burgers bitches.

The cognitive dissonance of the usual reactionary dipshits prevented them from the grasping the obvious.

 

[HomerJS]

It has been an emergency for decades. But, in the past no one had a problem with border walls being built... but then agenda became more important than common sense good for America to the left.

Hey stupid, last summer Trump had 25B from Dems for his stupid wall and he walked away from it.

Care to explain that emergency again???

 

[SlowSpyder]

Hey stupid, last summer Trump had 25B from Dems for his stupid wall and he walked away from it.

Care to explain that emergency again???

So obviously no problem taking $8 billion today.

 

[HomerJS]

Love listening to all the NPC"s here pretend that Trump taking a drop in the bucket amount of money to improve border barriers on a border we have problems with foreign invaders crossing daily is akin to the next Democrat POTUS waving away our gun rights.

Lying fucking cucks.

Hey Trump excuse boy, last summer Trump had 25B for his stupid wall from the Dems and he walked away from that deal.

Now what are your excuses again???

 

[HomerJS]

So obviously no problem taking $8 billion today.

If it is such an emergency why didn't he take the 25B. Guess it isn't a real emergency.

 

[Vic]

Love listening to all the NPC"s here pretend that Trump taking a drop in the bucket amount of money to improve border barriers on a border we have problems with foreign invaders crossing daily is akin to the next Democrat POTUS waving away our gun rights.

Lying fucking cucks.

Insulting people while obviously not understanding the basic fundamentals of what's being discussed is why there's a long red bar next to your name.
The entire point of the comparision that was made is that the next Presidential abuse of emergency powers is certain to be more egregious. That's the whole point, and you still can't seem grasp it, despite its simplicity and obviousness, and even after it being explained to you at least a dozen times.

And we all know you wouldn't be calling it a drop in the bucket if this were welfare money. FFS, 'Obama phones' cost less than $2 billion, and the ranting about that went on for years.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Hey Trump excuse boy, last summer Trump had 25B for his stupid wall from the Dems and he walked away from that deal.

Now what are your excuses again???

No excuses, maybe he was holding out for more? At worst it sounds like he guessed wrong and mis-managed the situation and today is going to end up working with less money. At least it is getting addressed, we'll see if his base forgives him or not.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Insulting people while obviously not understanding the basic fundamentals of what's being discussed is why there's a long red bar next to your name.
The entire point of the comparision that was made is that the next Presidential abuse of emergency powers is certain to be more egregious. That's the whole point, and you still can't seem grasp it, despite its simplicity and obviousness, and even after it being explained to you at least a dozen times.

And we all know you wouldn't be calling it a drop in the bucket if this were welfare money. FFS, 'Obama phones' cost less than $2 billion, and the ranting about that went on for years.

You have yet to show this is an abuse of power. He is reappropriating funds in an emergency to help stop crimes from happening daily. A drop in the bucket at that.

 

[Vic]

So obviously no problem taking $8 billion today.

I don't blame you for not knowing this, because you're the type who volunteers to pay extra at the car dealership, but as the master of the deal, Trump should know that all deals come with expiration dates. And that one's expired. He should've taken it while it was still on the table.