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"What's stupid is that you don't know WHY they BOTH keep the medals"

Because stripping the gold medals away from the other pair would erupt another contraversy. The 4-4 tie is just a nice justification for it.

I'd say either reverse the order of the results (canada,russia) or not do anything. Giving two gold medals just seems like a way to appease everyone who is upset.
 
Imagine what the russian skaters felt through this thing... They were caught in the middle. they weren't at fault, but I bet they felt like that deep down, lots of people blamed them.
 
The 4-4 tie is an excuse so they can avoid cleaning up the problem. It's still stupid. Either the Canadians won, or the Russians won. The entire Olympics, and what it stands, for is diluted and corrupted when they begin awarding two "first places" in an event. There is only one best.

Oh, and I don't give a crap about the Russians "self esteem". If they weren't the best, they don't deserve the gold.

Russ, NCNE
 
I think they ought to receive the gold and then turn around and hand it back to the Olympics and tell them that it's about time the figured out they made a mistake and that there was corruption
 


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<< That's cool. I think more Olympic events should have two gold medals. In fact, I've always believed that *everyone* who shows up at the Olympics should get one because they've all tried so hard >>


Exactly. Like the 'Participant' ribbons they give out for grade school competitions.
Introducing: The new IOC-sponsored "Olympic Gold Participant Medal" - Because We Know How Hard You Tried To Get Here.
😀 >>


😉
 


<< Either the Canadians won, or the Russians won. The entire Olympics, and what it stands, for is diluted and corrupted when they begin awarding two "first places" in an event. There is only one best. >>


Normally I would agree, but in the "sport" of figure skating, there are no absolutes. I always have a hard time enjoying "sports" which are decided solely by the whims of judges. This includes skating as well as diving, synchronized swimming, gymnastics, etc.

So "appeasing everyone" by awarding two golds doesn't really bother me, because the whole thing is a farce to begin with.
 
Throwing out the French judge's score and making two winners is stupid. If the Canadians were so clearly the winners, why did the other 4 vote for the Russians? This is a huge waste of time if the judges can't be trusted to vote for the best team (and they've proven that over decades) then why bother having it as an Olympic sport?

Michael
 
Ah, come off it. Olympics are just about entertainment anyways. With this result General Mills (or whomever) has more candidates to choose from for the Wheaties box.

mithrandir~!
 
this is not the first time they have changed a ruling ex post facto.

well its nice to see that they got what they deserved
 


<< So "appeasing everyone" by awarding two golds doesn't really bother me, because the whole thing is a farce to begin with. >>



Good point. It's not like we're talking about a real sport.

Russ, NCNE

 
I think the Canadians had good technical merit in terms of execution, but the Russian presentation in terms of choreography etc. was better, and that was reflected in the marks.
That's why there are two sets of marks. Now, in addition to the already subjective judging, there is another set of subjectivity added: when to second guess the judging. I am sure if the Russians lost to the inferior scating Americans, this would be swept under the rug in the media, and that would be the end of it.
 
Yeah - we need to remember that figure skating isn't really a sport too.

Anyway - as for the "remove the French Judge gives you a 4-4 tie" thing, thats not true. Removal of a judge due to corruption or mis-behavior means the alternative judge's score is taken instead. Here the alternative judge was the Chekoslovakian judge, who had voted for Canada.

So if you remove the French judge, the Canadians win Gold and the Russians win Silver.

This whole thing is just to save face anyway - having the IOC or ISU review themeselves is like the IRS letting Enron audit itself instead of an IRS agent.
 


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<< So "appeasing everyone" by awarding two golds doesn't really bother me, because the whole thing is a farce to begin with. >>



Good point. It's not like we're talking about a real sport.

Russ, NCNE >>


Let's give everyone a gold medal and then say things like "They are all winners" 😀
 


<< Good point. It's not like we're talking about a real sport. >>

Yeah I never considered Fairy Prancing..err Figure Skating to be a real sport either
 
Just to put things into perspective here....

This is FIGURE SKATING we're talking about. FIGURE SKATING.
 
So what's the deal? The Russians get a gold medal for pairs figure skating and Canada gets a special gold medal for whinning?

It's cool. The Olympics are all about getting an endorsement deal anyway.
 
Well what about the 92' summer games when the canadian synchronized swimmer (Sylvie Frachette, sp?) was initially denied the gold because one of the judges inputed the wrong score? Eventhough the judge reported it to the referee, the gold still went to the next best person (American sychro swimmer, I forget her name but she is married to baseball player Ed Sprauge, sp?). After 9 months they awarded her the gold (which was fair because she did technically earn it, judges error) but also the american swimmer got to keep her gold eventhough she should have had silver.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
This is the almost the same deal as the 1992 summer Olympics where two synchronized swimmers were awarded goal. Initially an American swimmer got the gold because she had the best marks. But one of the judges accidentally entered a wrong score for the Canadian swimmer (and she wasn't allowed to correct them) thus leaving the Canadian in 2nd place. So the best thing to do there was simply to award two golds. I'm sure there would have been an uproar if the American swimmer had been stripped of the gold, (even though she wasn't the best) just to give the gold to the Canadian swimmer.

Edit: Oops, replied with almost the same post as Aquaman
 
True, the Sylvie Frechette/Kristen Babb-Sprague fiasco was even worse. Such an obvious typo on the part of a single judge, and nobody did anything for a year. Kristen Babb-Sprague's acceptance of the gold was extremely unsportsmanlike.

I also wonder if, in the course of the investigation, other judges scores are dropped which could affect the Russian pair.
 
I think they opened up a big can of worms.
I can hear it now
"there was a questionable call in the hockey game yesterday" we better review it.
"I think the french guy was better at snowboarding" we better change the output.


You have to fix the problem where it starts not after the fact.
 
this is gay, 2 #1's???? this is a f'n obivous cop-out! this is just has gay has those 2 dbacks wining the mvp award. :disgust:
 
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